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sptrawler said:
I don't recall this amount of reaction, when Malaysia executed Chambers and Barlow, a few years back.
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A few years back? How about 29 years back.

I was angry then and I am more angry now.

"Dodo" Widodo just crossed off Australia as a possible destination (including any political junket conventions).

We can only hope that one day he seeks exile in Australia escaping from his criminal activities in Indonesia. Then we will give it to him Australian style and wipe that stupid grin off his face.
 
trainspotter said:
Dua kesalahan tidak menjadi golongan kanan - Two wrongs don't make a right.

Joko Widodo had no where to turn on this one. Release the drug smuggling Australians and be seen as politically weak in his own country and globally. Bit more than just the nine Aussies who got caught smuggling 8.3kg of HEROIN going on in the political landscape of Indonesia by the way.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/j...ss-or-corruption/story-fnh81fz8-1227225969978



http://www.smh.com.au/comment/indon...orrupt-thumb-of-megawati-20150428-1muhkk.html
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Yes in the end it was a political decision, Widodo is not from the Indonesian political elite so killing foreigners is one way of shoring up support not to mention orchestrating the charade with the Australian relatives running them through the press not like the rest that with driven though.
 
gordon2007 said:
I find this news article repulsive.

http://www.news.com.au/…/bali-…/story-fnh81fz8-1227326038120

Yes, the penalty of death was extreme. And yes I feel for their friends and family. But to say the AFP have blood on their hands washes away the fact that these two individuals willfully broke the law knowing full well they could face the death penalty. Nobody knows what these two would be doing today had they not been caught.
All these calls for a boycott of Bali and other stupid ramifications is just a media frenzy.

Much like barely anyone remembers the name Van Tuong Nguyen, so too will the news media forget this in due time.
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Whether or not they have blood on their hands they are complete morons (the AFP). They knew (and if they didn't they are even stupider than I think) that if they were caught in Indonesia they faced the death penalty. So they helped set in motion a chain of events that has led to two Australians being executed and the biggest crisis in Indonesia/Australia relations since 1999. Good job.
 
banco said:
Whether or not they have blood on their hands they are complete morons (the AFP). They knew (and if they didn't they are even stupider than I think) that if they were caught in Indonesia they faced the death penalty. So they helped set in motion a chain of events that has led to two Australians being executed and the biggest crisis in Indonesia/Australia relations since 1999. Good job.
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Like most on this site
Perfect 20/20 hind site.

Drugs were coming out of Indonesia
Why shouldn't they be tipped off there was
A ring loading up. Their drugs--- their problem
Why should we fit the bill for 9 in our jails!
They'd be back on the streets now.----great.
 
banco said:
Whether or not they have blood on their hands they are complete morons (the AFP). They knew (and if they didn't they are even stupider than I think) that if they were caught in Indonesia they faced the death penalty. So they helped set in motion a chain of events that has led to two Australians being executed and the biggest crisis in Indonesia/Australia relations since 1999. Good job.
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Totally agree.

What amazes me is that the Indonesians who could not organise a piss up at a brewery, could not stop a single boat load of people smugglers, who shows total contempt for the Australian government, so the Federal police co-operate with them to reduce their own work load. Laziness is no excuse, of course they have blood on their hands.
 
tech/a said:
Like most on this site
Perfect 20/20 hind site.

Drugs were coming out of Indonesia
Why shouldn't they be tipped off there was
A ring loading up. Their drugs--- their problem
Why should we fit the bill for 9 in our jails!
They'd be back on the streets now.----great.
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I think you need to look up the definition of hindsight. You're saying the AFP didn't know at the time that drug smuggling potentially carried the death penalty in Indonesia? It's a simple matter of connecting A to B.
 
Macquack said:
Totally agree.

What amazes me is that the Indonesians who could not organise a piss up at a brewery, could not stop a single boat load of people smugglers, who shows total contempt for the Australian government, so the Federal police co-operate with them to reduce their own work load. Laziness is no excuse, of course they have blood on their hands.
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It wasn't laziness. They were trying curry favour with the Indonesians.
 
I have zero sympathy for drug dealers. However in this instance we did see a fantastic case of rehabilitation. What I do find morbidly amusing is that instead of holding these two up as examples of how well their program works, they shoot them.

If they were the same scum from ten years ago, fair enough. But to waste a genuine effort of change seems cruel.
Perhaps it allowed them to atone for their crime and gain peace in those final moments.
 
banco said:
So they helped set in motion a chain of events that has led to two Australians being executed and the biggest crisis in Indonesia/Australia relations since 1999. Good job.
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10 yrs ago they " knew " this was going to be the result.
If they were executed in the first 12 mths---then what?
 
tech/a said:
Like most on this site
Perfect 20/20 hind site.

Drugs were coming out of Indonesia
Why shouldn't they be tipped off there was
A ring loading up. Their drugs--- their problem
Why should we fit the bill for 9 in our jails!
They'd be back on the streets now.----great.
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I'm with you, why is it o.k to knowingly let drugs be sent to another country, when we don't want drugs coming into ours?
Because they shoot people, we don't telll them? or we knowingly compromise a criminal investigation, because it may end badly for the criminals?:eek:

Their bodies have been sent back to Australia, I wonder who paid for it?

I have seen many charity appeals, to bring back normal law abiding people, who were killed O/S, where the family couldn't afford it.
Why shouldn't the Government foot that cost?

Don't get me wrong, I thought the whole thing was tacky.
I just think we are making out, the death of convicted criminals, is more worthy than the death of non criminal Australians who are killed O/S.

Whether they deserved to be killed for drug trafficking, isn't the issue IMO, if they had been killed on a botched up drug deal on the streets of Jakarta, would the Government be spending as much?

Or indeed would the media give a $hit.:eek:

If they are so against the barbaric death penalty, then get onto all the other countries that still have the death penalty.

Otherwise shut up and let Australians decide if it is worth the risk of the death penalty, to smuggle drugs into these countries.

The risk is high and the rewards are high, what has changed? Other than the media want to make a circus, of a business venture, turned bad.:cry:

What I can't understand, is how our Government were drawn so far in, crazy stuff.:1zhelp:
 
Macquack said:
A few years back? How about 29 years back.

I was angry then and I am more angry now.

"Dodo" Widodo just crossed off Australia as a possible destination (including any political junket conventions).

We can only hope that one day he seeks exile in Australia escaping from his criminal activities in Indonesia. Then we will give it to him Australian style and wipe that stupid grin off his face.
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Jeez, that time has gone quickly, 29 years ago unbelievable.
 
banco said:
Whether or not they have blood on their hands they are complete morons (the AFP). They knew (and if they didn't they are even stupider than I think) that if they were caught in Indonesia they faced the death penalty. So they helped set in motion a chain of events that has led to two Australians being executed and the biggest crisis in Indonesia/Australia relations since 1999. Good job.
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So following on with your reasoning, we shouldn't intervene to stop any criminal activist coming here, if the penalty at the source isn't nice?

If for example the AFP, have reason to believe a person or persons are going to bring in anthrax or sarin to Australia.

But they are coming from a country that has the death penalty, for carrying those substances. The authorities in that country shouldn't be informed?:eek:

Good Job.:1zhelp:

Jeez we live in a weird society, media driven opinion, seems to override common sense these days:confused:
 
sptrawler said:
So following on with your reasoning, we shouldn't intervene to stop any criminal activist coming here, if the penalty at the source isn't nice?

If for example the AFP, have reason to believe a person or persons are going to bring in anthrax or sarin to Australia.

But they are coming from a country that has the death penalty, for carrying those substances. The authorities in that country shouldn't be informed?:eek:

Good Job.:1zhelp:

Jeez we live in a weird society, media driven opinion, seems to override common sense these days:confused:
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Your ability to reason isn't very good. AFP's intelligence was that they were going to try and import the heroin into Australia. They could have pulled them aside at the Australian airport before they left the country and told them the Indonesians knew they were coming or they could have picked them up when they landed in Australia.

The AFP are a bunch of **** ups (see Haneef) who get themselves into these situations and then try to spin their way out.
 
banco said:
Your ability to reason isn't very good. AFP's intelligence was that they were going to try and import the heroin into Australia. They could have pulled them aside at the Australian airport before they left the country and told them the Indonesians knew they were coming
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Seriously, and give them a lollipop if they behave.
Remind me of the "do not chase car thief 'cause they could endanger themselves.
I mean banco should i post on this thread each drug overdose in this country and make you realise what these murderers are really?
We are not talking pot here, they were guilty which is not a given for all the sentenced in Indonesia, I only pity their relatives.
I am always amazde at some of the bleeding heart reactions in case like that; during that time, millions are homeless in Nepal; THEY deserve coverage, compassion and our government help.
 
I do not agree with the death penalty, but as many have said, their country, their laws.
If you don't want to be in this predicament, then don't sell/do drugs.
Get a real job.

Every time a drug addict is on the news, Australia does this, and I just cannot understand it.
No wonder we have so many drug problems in society.
Maybe people need to take more responsibility for their actions, rather than blaming Abbott, the AFP etc

These people were on drugs at the age of 13-14 years old, this is from Australia, so how did that come about?
This is what we are seeing now.
Something is wrong here in our society, and I am sick of seeing drug addicts hurting others.
The drugs were being brought here to hurt more families.
Our justice system is pathetic.

Yes, it's sad that they were rehabilitated, and ten years later they executed them.
Would they have stayed on the straight and narrow, we will never know.

One of them has now written a book with all details that he has given to his brother.
All his friends and associates are dead or in jail, says a lot, going from the article.
 
banco said:
Whether or not they have blood on their hands they are complete morons (the AFP). They knew (and if they didn't they are even stupider than I think) that if they were caught in Indonesia they faced the death penalty. So they helped set in motion a chain of events that has led to two Australians being executed and the biggest crisis in Indonesia/Australia relations since 1999. Good job.
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Father of one goes to police to stop trip,

result :-

Murder by proxy
 
SirRumpole said:
Sons don't always listen or pay any attention to what is being said.
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Well if it was my son and I knew he was even thinking of doing something as stupid as what these lot did
Id be glued to his side---it simply wouldn't happen.

Fortunately I don't have to concern myself with Drug issues and my crew.
Brother --- vastly different story.--A really nasty nasty piece of work.
 
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