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basilio said:
Actually TA is the one who is playing with fire in this skirmish. One one level he is supposed to be saying he accepts the science and reality behind climate change but has a different policy to address the problem. But when he uses the language of climate deniers to deride any apparent reality to CO2 and its effects (something you can't see. taste touch smell etc) he casts serious doubt on his alleged acceptance of climate change science. I believe he will come in for very close scrutiny in the next few days to explain his understanding of the effects of CO2 in teh atmosphere.
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Every word Abbott says is put under the microscope, but when Rudd makes the stupid claim that he is a Kokoda survivor the Twittersphere remains silent.

The reason is obvious;

School leavers have been indoctrinated for years on global warning.

School leavers have no idea of the significance of The Kokoda Track or even where it is.
 
Always interesting to reflect on TA';s capacity to radically change his position according to audience or opportunity.

For example he once had a view that a carbon tax or direct price on carbon was preferable to the ETS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12PN66IBoPs

And for those who may have for forgotten the interview there is a squirm inducing segment from his interview with Kerry O Brien. Not TA's finest hour. In fact it was the introduction of only accepting TA's "carefully considered, scripted rely " versus whatever he actually happened to say at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tc5ljcri6Nk#at=206
 
It is a case of Tony Abbott wanting to say appealing stuff to everyone. He is desperate to be liked. Can anyone remember where he met with NSW farmers (I think NSW) and made comments about land access then shortly after in WA made comments that supported resource companies that did not seem be fully compatible with what was said to farmers?

The direct action plan seems like a method that can be more easily removed because of budget constraints. His language around it puts it at a lower priority. I was going to say we need to get it in writing but some months ago we know his signed letters are also not to be believed (the issue with changes to allowances etc)
 
Calliope said:
Every word Abbott says is put under the microscope, but when Rudd makes the stupid claim that he is a Kokoda survivor the Twittersphere remains silent.

The reason is obvious;

School leavers have been indoctrinated for years on global warning.

School leavers have no idea of the significance of The Kokoda Track or even where it is.
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When you read the transcript of the interview you can see of course that Kevin Rudd was referring to "surviving" the walk he undertook with Joe Hockey and co. (as well as 3000 other Australians) . But certainly The Australian The Sun and other noted papers have been bashing Kevin was even mentioning himself and the Kokoda trail in the one story.

Tony Abbots mistake was just a bit more obvious. By using the language of climate change deniers (not the skeptics) he was opening the question about his actual views and how much he understood of the issue.

It would be a bit like an American politician loudly proclaiming his potential support of the civil rights of "them n*****s". If you heard that you might wonder about just how supportive that politician might actually be ...

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2013/07/15/454639_gold-coast-news.html
 
I finally found Tony's plan for the nation

march 4, 2013 on "The Project"

We'll give people what we believe are realistic timetables.

Now there are some things we'll do in year one, there are other things we'll do in year two, there are further things we'll do in year three, and there are things that we'll be doing in years four and five."

With planning like this the future is bright under an Abbott Government

Now if only he could be bothered to elaborate on what "things" he's talking about
 
Another slogan from Mr Abbott today on the midday ABC Radio news when commenting on the government's proposed change to an ETS:

He's not the Terminator, he's the Exaggerator
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Good god, it gets worse each time. Doesn't he have advisers who can prevent this sort of stupidity?

There are two problems here imo. First, the obvious one that he is saying really silly things. Second, the quite reasonable conclusion in the minds of voters that if his decision making in this sort of judgement is so flawed, then so might his decision making be when it comes to being in government.

His parental leave scheme has been widely criticised. I don't think I've heard anyone actually support it outside of the inner circle of the Coalition. Ditto his gesture toward the environment with his Direct Action Plan which apparently is going to be expensive and lacks the input of the equivalent of the government's carbon tax to pay for it.
Too late now, of course, but I rather agree with sydboy about there perhaps being more value in coming out and saying

"we simply do not believe in acting on climate change in the absence of any global system, because to do so will make virtually no difference to global emissions and will significantly disadvantage our economy".

At least that would be a genuine reflection of how he feels and would also reflect the views of a substantial percentage of the electorate.
 
Knobby22 said:
No, its the example being used to show that climate change is real and people are investing billions based on this. Tony acting like a troglodyte doesn't impress most people.

BTW The Chinese are investing heaps in renewable energy.

That's why our top solar scientist who improved the efficiency of solar panels by nearly 100% using the inter-reflection technology invented in Australia now works for the Chinese. That's why the Chinese are leaders in this field and export them everywhere. Remember he tried to stay in Australia but didn't get government support. We are brainless here.

And plainly dumb comments by Abbott does him no good at all in getting the swinging voters.
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Yet climate change is real and investment by the very same government continues in the very fuels that are causing the 'change'.

Do you see the mixed and very confused message you are putting out?

The Chinese are so concerned by global warming, opps climate change, that they are investing billions in fossil fuels?

What the??

You can't have it both ways, which is what you are trying to do.
 
Julia said:
Too late now, of course, but I rather agree with sydboy about there perhaps being more value in coming out and saying

"we simply do not believe in acting on climate change in the absence of any global system, because to do so will make virtually no difference to global emissions and will significantly disadvantage our economy".

At least that would be a genuine reflection of how he feels and would also reflect the views of a substantial percentage of the electorate.
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I'd prefer he used the DA money to say match $1 for $ on energy efficiency within businesses.

At least that way we get a reduction in carbon emissions AND a more cost competitive economy.

Why can't we aspire to be as energy efficient as the Germans or the Japanese, rather than languishing near the bottom of rich countries?

Lets not forget that DA and Gold Plated Paid Parental Leave are both TA signature policies. What other crazy policies might he conjure up if he gets into office?
 
Seems while Abbott tries to fence his opposition in to corners to get political points he also fences himself in.
 
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springhill said:
Yet climate change is real and investment by the very same government continues in the very fuels that are causing the 'change'.

Do you see the mixed and very confused message you are putting out?

The Chinese are so concerned by global warming, opps climate change, that they are investing billions in fossil fuels?

What the??

You can't have it both ways, which is what you are trying to do.
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The point is for the Chinese, and us, is that climate change is real and massive change on a world scale provides an opportunity to make money. Some of them are concerned, but most just want to get ahead.....be it using technologies that don't produce carbon dioxide or new transport links because the polar cap is melting rapidly.

Countries and people do things for complex reasons. The Chinese want to drive cars and make plastic products so they want oil.

I can't see the problem. No world treaty has been signed.
It will happen one day but not till things get much worse.
 
sydboy007 said:
My understanding is Tony sees buying land near Fukushima a rare opportunity since prices are now so low. He's perplexed over the whole fear over an invisible substance that is naturally occurring all around us.

By his reasoning an increase in CO2 levels and radiation levels are both irrelevant.
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LOL Rudd is rubbing his face in it calling for a public debate over carbon omissions
 
IFocus said:
LOL Rudd is rubbing his face in it calling for a public debate over carbon omissions
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He would be comprehensively humiliated.

He knows it as does almost everyone else including his supporters. The perception of Tony Abbott as incapable of publicly discussing and defending his vision for the future (or even a set of coherent policies) is not a good look for an aspiring PM. I think it will further erode his support at the crucial swinging margins.

It is amazing how the public has manged to forget Julia Gilliard and seemingly accept Keven Rudd as a capable PM.
 
OK, let's start a radiation tax then shall we?

Then explain how a carbon tax will save the earth.


pfffft
 
I'm not sure how he could it but I believe that TA must make some sort of statesman like address in some forum to recapture the initiative and rebuild public confidence in him.

I don't think it could be a debate situation with Kevin Rudd but, in my view, he needs to be seen as capable of making some intelligent, eloquent arguments about what the Libs can offer that goes beyond 3 word slogans. It would be as much to rebolster his own supporters and not have unfavorable comparisons being made with Malcolm Turnball.

Interestingly it could be Malcolm Turnball who builds such an argument - but then the inevitable comparison would be made.

Alternatively of course the Libs could just try and bash Kevin as hard as possible. I think though that is starting to look silly because Kevin is looking prime ministerial and the mud may not stick and even get stuck in the hands of the Libs. Be interesting to see the polls this weekend.
 
basilio said:
He would be comprehensively humiliated.
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I don't think so. Labor's ever changing contortions on this are beyond belief and will make excellent election campaign material for the Coalition. With the latest incarnation, it will be interesting to see if Kev has the guts to call back Parliament and try to legislate it before the election. Somehow, I doubt it.

The opening question to Kevin Rudd about there being no carbon tax under a government he leads would be game, set and match to the Coalition. A sound response to that could well be the greatest political challenge of our time. Add to that the fact that the longest political suicide note in history is only freshly engraved on the headstone of Julia Gillard's prime-ministership.

Kevin Rudd has an obvious gift-of-the-gab advantage over Tony Abbott, but he and Labor I suspect are putting too much faith in that advantage. The Coalition are waiting for their opportunity to pounce.
 
Rudd is playing the game well, backflip on everything and try and get Abbott to give him some policy ideas.:xyxthumbs

But like I said he is playing it well, the coalition needs to hold its nerve.
Untill, I'll morph into anything to get elected, calls the election.:xyxthumbs

Like we've said before, hard to fight someone who stands for nothing, will do anything politics.:xyxthumbs

That's how we ended up with the last government, what a shamozzle.lol
 

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sydboy007 said:
What about Tony the I'll do anything but sell my ar$%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHALYgOQKzk
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Talk it up as much as you like Syd.

Rudd has undone everything they say they stood for, "This carbon tax is about saving the world" Blah, blah ffing blah.
What a joke, the whole Labor Party have sold their ar$%'s, and the auction is ongoing.

No wonder Ferguson and Crean pulled the pin, this is Labor Party Advertising Co we can sell anything, we can BS and get away with it. Just tell them what they want to hear and "would you like fries with that"lol

Same as dumb ar$%, we seem to have a problem with asylum seekers and we need to get tough on it. Jeez, he might be your hero to me an middle Australia, he's a FW. :xyxthumbs
 
sptrawler said:
What a joke, the whole Labor Party have sold their ar$%'s, and the auction is ongoing.
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Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd looked like they were almost making love in Parliament the day the carbon tax legislation passed the Reps, well, as close as those two would ever get anyway.
 
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