NBN Rollout Scrapped

[drsmith]

It's almost certainly true that the ARPU under the coalition policy will be lower than under the Labor NBN. But not because a (eg) 25Mbps connection will be any cheaper, but because the services that cost more money are simply not available.

It is the revenue from high-end users that allow the construction of such an expensive network without increasing the cost for low-end users who don't want or need the speed.

And thus we get to the hub of the problem with Labor's inflexible plan in a changing technological environment and their lack of consideration of the value of money.

To recover the costs associated with the build, the higher end plans which we supposedly need in the near future will be priced beyond the reach of many households.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Sorry I've lost track of how much this lemon will cost.

What are the estimates for it's cost?

gg

 

[Calliope]

It comes from the prediction that by 2021, more and more customers will be taking up the higher NBN speeds, and adding other services (such as multicast IPTV) increasing the average revenue per user (ARPU) to $64 per month.

The price of the speed tiers remain at around the same level (permitted to increase by inflation-1.5% max pa), so people who don't want faster speeds won't be paying more.

However, as high-end users and business begin to take up premium speeds (such as 1Gbps at $150/month), the ARPU earned by NBN Co increases.

It's almost certainly true that the ARPU under the coalition policy will be lower than under the Labor NBN. But not because a (eg) 25Mbps connection will be any cheaper, but because the services that cost more money are simply not available.

What a crock...you are an expert in trying to whitewash Labor lies into appearing plausible. Neither you nor your idiot mentor Conroy can refute that by the time in the distant future (certainly not 2021:rolleyes) when NBN rolls over and dies because of mismanagement and waste, costs will have blown out to $94 Billion.

The Coalition has no alternative but to rein them in and replace the amateurs running the show and try to salvage something workable from the train wreck.

 

[IFocus]

And thus we get to the hub of the problem with Labor's inflexible plan in a changing technological environment and their lack of consideration of the value of money.

Wrong its the other way around the problem with the Coalitions plan there is no flexibility with speed just a dead end with limited upside.

As for value for money what happen to the Coalitions position of its all to expensive they were just going to put in some back haul fibre etc.

To recover the costs associated with the build, the higher end plans which we supposedly need in the near future will be priced beyond the reach of many households.

Wrong again i.e. 10 years ago no body in their right mind would have paid for today's speeds (for the lucky on ADSL2).

 

[Aussiejeff]

Sorry I've lost track of how much this lemon will cost.

What are the estimates for it's cost?

gg

This is a BIG lemon, GG. It will leave a terribly bitter taste in many a taxpayer's mouth if continual feeding of artificial growth hormone by farmer CONroy is left unchequed.

One cannot say at this point in time what the end-damage may be. Stock up on Alka-Seltzer????

 

[IFocus]

Alan Kohler sees the glass 1/2 full


How Malcolm Turnbull saved the NBN

Malcolm Turnbull, with the help of the polls, has turned the Liberals into an NBN party. His plan isn't perfect, but it's better than dismantling the whole thing, writes Alan Kohler.

It won't make it into his Wikipedia entry, and he won't get tweets of congratulation from techies, but Malcolm Turnbull's great achievement over the past two and a half years has been to save the National Broadband Network.

But anyway, whether it was the polls or Malcolm's silver tongue, there was Tony Abbott yesterday at a pay TV studio beside a hologram of a footballer as he launched the Coalition's NBN policy and basked in the wonders of broadband communications as if he invented it: "We believe in a national broadband network and we will deliver a better (one)."

Last August I wrote that the Coalition's NBN policy was "madness" and would have to be dumped, mainly because a new deal would have to be negotiated with Telstra against the background of an election promise. Telstra, I believed, would have the Abbott government over a barrel.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-10/kohler-how-malcolm-turnbull-saved-the-nbn/4619868

 

[sptrawler]

I'm sure someone had a big whinge when they put copper in the ground so people could use the phone too.

So that's the answer, compulsory enema.
Vespuria, when you take away choice, you take away options and take away rights.
I love your replies on super, because you are aware of implications, because of your experience.
I doubt you have much experience regarding a massive project like this, Conroy doesn't.
Check out Leighton's track record and they are experts.

Just another shipwreck, looking for rocks to land on.

 

[Calliope]

Sorry I've lost track of how much this lemon will cost.

What are the estimates for it's cost?

gg

Turnbull says $94 billion. Conroy blusters but can't refute it. Just remember the Labor Government is composed mainly of union leaders, union officials, union hacks and Labor lawyers. None of these have the slightest idea on running a profitable enterprise, only slush funds.

To disasters like Bats, Boats, BER, and Budget add NBN. The B stands for balls-ups.

 

[NBNMyths]

You know as well as I know that is rubish:
I have a Telstra $30/mth mobile phone plan, had it for years, never gone over $30. I'm happy, bet I can't get it now.

http://www.kogan.com/au/mobile/
$29/month, Telstra 3G network, unlimited calls, 6GB data.

My internet, line rental, free calls to landlines, free calls to any mobile. $70/month. Bet you can't get it now.

Smoke and mirrors isn't my bag, I've seen too much in my life, I'm old enough to know $hit from clay without having to taste it.

https://www.pennytel.com.au/penny-broadband/nbn-deals
$60/month, 25Mbps, Unlimited national calls, unlimited mobile calls, unlimited calls to 5 international countries, unlimited data.

 

[NBNMyths]

Sorry I've lost track of how much this lemon will cost.

What are the estimates for it's cost?

gg

Labor say $37.4bn capex, $44.1bn peak funding.

The libs say $71bn capex, $94bn peak funding.


The lib's new alternative plan is $20.4bn capex, $29.5bn peak funding.

 

[sptrawler]

http://www.kogan.com/au/mobile/
$29/month, Telstra 3G network, unlimited calls, 6GB data.



https://www.pennytel.com.au/penny-broadband/nbn-deals
$60/month, 25Mbps, Unlimited national calls, unlimited mobile calls, unlimited calls to 5 international countries, unlimited data.

Including line rental?

Unlimited mobile calls to any mobile?

Just googled your Kogan $29 plan, limited access 7.2mb/s. and 2g access apparently, so that is a smoke and mirrors.
Please correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[NBNMyths]

What a crock...you are an expert in trying to whitewash Labor lies into appearing plausible. Neither you nor your idiot mentor Conroy can refute that by the time in the distant future (certainly not 2021:rolleyes) when NBN rolls over and dies because of mismanagement and waste, costs will have blown out to $94 Billion.

The Coalition has no alternative but to rein them in and replace the amateurs running the show and try to salvage something workable from the train wreck.

Funny, you make constant steaming rants like that and accuse me of being politically motivated. Look in the mirror, buddy.


The NBN cost has been forecast at ~$40bn by KPMG-McKinsey, NBN Co, and Greenhill-Caliburn, and such a cost ties with similar projects overseas.

Conversely, we only have Turnbull's word for his estimate, since the study he uses is apparently a secret.

There is little more that NBN Co can do to appease people like you, and in all honestly I don't think you would believe anyone, or any organisation on the topic, since it opposes your obvious political position.

 

[drsmith]

Turnbull says $94 billion. Conroy blusters but can't refute it.

After some perusal by Malcolm Turnbull on the Today Show today, he's sticking to about $2.4k as to what it's costing per premise. Judging by the exact words and the body language, it might be costing a little more than that, right now.

Below is the transcript. It's at the and of the following Youtube video I posted earlier in the day.

LISA WILKINSON:
Ahh, unfortunately we’re going to have to leave it there –
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
No but Stephen should have to answer one question, he should tell us how much Stephen is it actually costing you to pass and connect a premise with fibre today? How much?
LISA WILKINSON:
OK you’ve got ten seconds Stephen Conroy.
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
How much?
STEPHEN CONROY:
Oh well he ignored your question, here’s the BT website that Malcolm likes to quote, £3,500 –
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
No he won’t answer the real question
STEPHEN CONROY:
The answer to Malcolm’s question is about $2,400 Malcolm.
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
Right now?
STEPHEN CONROY:
Which is the first lie exposed, the first lie exposed by you.
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
OK. We’ll see whether Quigley steps that up in the committee hearing.
LISA WILKINSON:
OK gentlemen.
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
You’re on the hook now Stephen. It will be interesting.
LISA WILKINSON:
Alright we’re going to have to leave it there. We do very much appreciate you both taking the time this morning. Let the debate continue.
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
We will.
LISA WILKINSON:
Malcolm Turnbull thanks very much. Stephen Conroy thank you there from Melbourne.
STEPHEN CONROY:
Thanks very much Lisa.
LISA WILKINSON:
OK.
MALCOLM TURNBULL:
Thank you Lisa.

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/transcripts/transcript-today-show-12-april-2013/

 

[NBNMyths]

Including line rental?

Unlimited mobile calls to any mobile?

Just googled your Kogan $29 plan, limited access 7.2mb/s. and 2g access apparently, so that is a smoke and mirrors.
Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Pennytel: Yep, no line rental. Sorry, not unlimited calls to mobiles. Either 150 calls or 500 minutes per month.

Kogan is speed limited to 7.2Mbps, but it uses Telstra 3G not 2G. Just not HSPDA+ which is what theoretically gives Telstra customers more speed.

Aldi mobile also use Telstra's network, but are slightly more expensive than Kogan for that deal. They do have $15 and $30 365-day prepaid plans though, which are great for low volume users. And like Kogan, you still get the advantage of Telstra's coverage. https://www.aldimobile.com.au/


I'm with Telstra and a mate is with Kogan both on iPhones, and we did a side-by-side speedtest and his tested faster than mine. Because it's incredibly rare that you can get real-world speeds of more than 7.2Mbps anyway.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Labor say $37.4bn capex, $44.1bn peak funding.

The libs say $71bn capex, $94bn peak funding.


The lib's new alternative plan is $20.4bn capex, $29.5bn peak funding.

That is too bloody expensive.

We could have four Snowy schemes up North here, in Queensland and the Northern Territory, producing energy and food for Australia,and still have change to keep a few blokes in Adelaide making Holdens for that amount of money.

What a bloody waste when we could have wireless.

gg

 

[So_Cynical]

1/4 of the speed for 1/2 the cost seems like a bargain to me

But its not...more like we will be getting the noalition's ANBN (Almost National Broadband Network) for about 75% of the cost of the Govt's NBN but with max speeds 75% slower...dud deal.

I reckon this is the beginning of the End for 1 vote Tony, if this is the best the noalition can come up with after 3 years to think about it... what's to come? surely the general population will start to wake up and realise these guys are a joke.

 

[DB008]

Stay away from Kogan Mobile.

They are now booting off customers willy-nilly and that 6gb data per month is also capped at 400mb per day.

NBN Myths, as an avid WP user/reader, l am surprised you have openly supported/positively mentioned them in your previous post.


'Unlimited' hey?
1)

At this point you might be wondering what this is all about. If you haven't already heard, Mr Kogan's firm, Kogan Mobile, has been discontinuing the services of prepaid mobile customers who Kogan believe have made too many calls, sent too many texts or used too much data.
http://www.boroondarareviewlocal.com.au/story/1376767/beyond-limits-kogan-mobile-under-fire/

2)

When it sounds too good to be true ...
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/when-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true--20130320-2geoe.html

 

[DB008]

Including line rental?

Unlimited mobile calls to any mobile?

Just googled your Kogan $29 plan, limited access 7.2mb/s. and 2g access apparently, so that is a smoke and mirrors.
Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Kogan is 2G + 3G Telstra network - but it's on the Telstra Wholesale network (with capped/limited speed and coverage), doesn't have full Telstra network access.

Boost Mobile is $40 per month & on the full Telstra network. 3G, with a 4G SIM loophole which may be closed any day. http://www.boost.com.au/frontend/home.aspx

 

[Ves]

I love your replies on super, because you are aware of implications, because of your experience.

Of course you've had all the experience in the world because you're a wise old sage. Seriously, could you get any more condescending?

I've been watching some of your replies in threads recently and I'm definitely not the first person you've tried this little number on.

 

[sptrawler]

Pennytel: Yep, no line rental. Sorry, not unlimited calls to mobiles. Either 150 calls or 500 minutes per month.

Kogan is speed limited to 7.2Mbps, but it uses Telstra 3G not 2G. Just not HSPDA+ which is what theoretically gives Telstra customers more speed.

Aldi mobile also use Telstra's network, but are slightly more expensive than Kogan for that deal. They do have $15 and $30 365-day prepaid plans though, which are great for low volume users. And like Kogan, you still get the advantage of Telstra's coverage. https://www.aldimobile.com.au/


I'm with Telstra and a mate is with Kogan both on iPhones, and we did a side-by-side speedtest and his tested faster than mine. Because it's incredibly rare that you can get real-world speeds of more than 7.2Mbps anyway.

Myths, I'm a pleb, but I travel up to the goldfields and the wifes $12 plan dropped out about 20k's out of Perth.

we were paying $12 a month for free calls to any landline in Australia after 7pm. But we really don't want or need to talk to someone all the time. So we cancelled it.
Same with the NBN the computer geeks that want the fastest now, I can wait.lol
I remember a mate in my apprenticeship, he bought the first Phillips cd player $1500, we thought $hit.
Do you want to buy it, he still has it.

By the way not being funny, not being nasty, the nicest person you would ever meet, 57 years old doesn't own a house. But thinks the NBN is magic, bless him.