NBN Rollout Scrapped

[drsmith]

Dr Smith,

We'll have to agree to disagree on much of what you've written. To answer two of your points, however:

I have skimmed the Coalition background paper, and I'll read it more thoroughly when I get a chance.

It's OK to agree to disagree, but leaving the questions unanswered leaves your comments either unsubstantiated or from a viewpoint so limited as not to be reflective of the broader issue.

With regard to your list of ICT people, there are also those who are more positive on the Coalitions's plan, one of which I have highlighted above who provides an international context.

Even Mike Quigley has called for an industry study to determine the best way to build the high-speed internet project.

 

[drsmith]

I am hopeful, once the Coalition gets in that they will modify the policy again to enable easy access to fibre to the home.

At least it's now an option.

As for Tony Abbott being sent to Antarctica for 3-months, I would agree, but only if Julia Gillard is sent to the dark side of the moon until after the election.

 

[drsmith]

So let's say you do stump up the $5k for fibre, you will then have to pay the same cost for a 100Mbps plan as you would under the Labor NBN, even though you've already paid for the fibre connection up front. You're $5k worse off, but you don't get any of that back as savings on monthly bills.

Another question Myths to add to the list above,

Where then does the increase in average wholesale price over time under Labor's NBN when compared to that of the Opposition's come from ?

 

[Ves]

but only if Julia Gillard is sent to the dark side of the moon until after the election.

Why not forever? Good riddance, if you ask me.

 

[sptrawler]

Actually it's pretty accurate. Certainly more accurate than Abbott's regular false claims, such as "people will pay 3 times more for an NBN plan than they do for ADSL2 today".

So let's say you do stump up the $5k for fibre, you will then have to pay the same cost for a 100Mbps plan as you would under the Labor NBN, even though you've already paid for the fibre connection up front. You're $5k worse off, but you don't get any of that back as savings on monthly bills.

So what's wrong with that?
Why should I have to subsidise bling speed, when I don't want it, my wife doesn't want it. My mother and mother in law don't even have computers, but will subsidise it.

How is it any different from people like myself who paid to put in our own insulation, then this government made us subsidise everyone else to put in for free.

Seems to me, that as long as your getting what you want, who gives a rats @rse what anyone else wants. Yet they have to help pay for it.
Jeez you lot are unbelievable.
Socialism is magic, untill you run out of other peoples money.

 

[boofhead]

I'm sure you use something that is subsidised in someway. So it appears it comes down to opinion/belief about what should and should not be subsidised or what they should be subsidised.

 

[Ves]

So what's wrong with that?
Why should I have to subsidise bling speed, when I don't want it, my wife doesn't want it. My mother and mother in law don't even have computers, but will subsidise it.

How is it any different from people like myself who paid to put in our own insulation, then this government made us subsidise everyone else to put in for free.

Seems to me, that as long as your getting what you want, who gives a rats @rse what anyone else wants. Yet they have to help pay for it.
Jeez you lot are unbelievable.
Socialism is magic, untill you run out of other peoples money.

So basically because you don't want it and no one else in your family wants it basically anyone who does is greedy?

 

[MrBurns]

So basically because you don't want it and no one else in your family wants it basically anyone who does is greedy?

If you want those who don't want it to pay for it YES.

 

[MrBurns]

Close the thread, Labor are finished and so is the waste, unfortunately there's only a deficit remaining so get set for some hard times.

 

[Ves]

If you want those who don't want it to pay for it YES.

I don't want to subsidise middle class families and low-income earners, I don't want to subsidise super tax breaks, I don't want this and that, or anything really, and I still pay for it each pay cheque.

Let me guess you're over 60 and have a tax-free pension that I'm subsidising.

 

[MrBurns]

I don't want to subsidise middle class families and low-income earners, I don't want to subsidise super tax breaks, I don't want this and that, or anything really, and I still pay for it each pay cheque.

Let me guess you're over 60 and have a tax-free pension that I'm subsidising.

Self funded

 

[sptrawler]

So basically because you don't want it and no one else in your family wants it basically anyone who does is greedy?

No not at all, but I shouldn't have to susidise it for someone else that does.

Like I said, I thought in roof insulation is a great thing, I installed it my roof also put it into the roof of a family member who could not afford to do it.
Then, like I said, these idiots say chuck it in free for everyone. Dumb
It screams" abuse" and was abused.

The same goes with this, if I'm happy with the speed I have now, why shouldn't I be able to elect the cheaper option.
Just because you don't like it?
I'm not saying your greedy, your saying subsidise what you want.

 

[Ves]

Self funded

Yeah through massive negative gearing benefits over the years I bet.

 

[NBNMyths]

Another question Myths to add to the list above,

Where then does the increase in average wholesale price over time under Labor's NBN when compared to that of the Opposition's come from ?

It comes from the prediction that by 2021, more and more customers will be taking up the higher NBN speeds, and adding other services (such as multicast IPTV) increasing the average revenue per user (ARPU) to $64 per month.

The price of the speed tiers remain at around the same level (permitted to increase by inflation-1.5% max pa), so people who don't want faster speeds won't be paying more.

However, as high-end users and business begin to take up premium speeds (such as 1Gbps at $150/month), the ARPU earned by NBN Co increases.

It's almost certainly true that the ARPU under the coalition policy will be lower than under the Labor NBN. But not because a (eg) 25Mbps connection will be any cheaper, but because the services that cost more money are simply not available.

 

[IFocus]

1/4 of the speed for 1/2 the cost seems like a bargain to me

Interesting change from Abbott on position but Turnbul is still discredited by the 1/2 ar$ed scheme.

 

[Ves]

The same goes with this, if I'm happy with the speed I have now, why shouldn't I be able to elect the cheaper option.

I'm sure someone had a big whinge when they put copper in the ground so people could use the phone too.

 

[NBNMyths]

So what's wrong with that?
Why should I have to subsidise bling speed, when I don't want it, my wife doesn't want it. My mother and mother in law don't even have computers, but will subsidise it.

How is it any different from people like myself who paid to put in our own insulation, then this government made us subsidise everyone else to put in for free.

Seems to me, that as long as your getting what you want, who gives a rats @rse what anyone else wants. Yet they have to help pay for it.
Jeez you lot are unbelievable.
Socialism is magic, untill you run out of other peoples money.

If you want those who don't want it to pay for it YES.

You won't be subsidising them, they will be subsidising you. It is the revenue from high-end users that allow the construction of such an expensive network without increasing the cost for low-end users who don't want or need the speed.

The coalition policy is cheaper to build, but it also forgoes the higher revenue from high-end speeds because those speeds are not available. So the network earns less revenue, making it unlikely that low end speeds will be any cheaper than on the fibre NBN.

 

[MrBurns]

Yeah through massive negative gearing benefits over the years I bet.

Non.

 

[waza1960]

The NBN scenario is just an example of our great Australian Democracy/Political system working as it should IMO...

1. Labor instigates the NBN in it's usual manner (incompetently and at huge unnecessary cost) partly due to
the Howard Governments inaction over the preceding years.
2. Abbott government modifies the NBN to arrive at a more affordable and sensible outcome.
So despite themselves Labor and the Coalition have combined to produce the best outcome

 

[sptrawler]

You won't be subsidising them, they will be subsidising you. It is the revenue from high-end users that allow the construction of such an expensive network without increasing the cost for low-end users who don't want or need the speed.

The coalition policy is cheaper to build, but it also forgoes the higher revenue from high-end speeds because those speeds are not available. So the network earns less revenue, making it unlikely that low end speeds will be any cheaper than on the fibre NBN.

You know as well as I know that is rubish:
I have a Telstra $30/mth mobile phone plan, had it for years, never gone over $30. I'm happy, bet I can't get it now.
My wife had a $12/mth phone plan with free calls to any landline after 7pm. We cancelled it recently because we didn't use it. Bet you can't get it now.
My internet, line rental, free calls to landlines, free calls to any mobile. $70/month. Bet you can't get it now.

Smoke and mirrors isn't my bag, I've seen too much in my life, I'm old enough to know $hit from clay without having to taste it.