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drsmith said:
One quarter of the fibre rollout to be done overhead.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=763786

The embedded video is also an interesting watch.
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The cost of running fibre in a country as geographically large as Australia is a challenging one technically, financially and politically. NBN had to buy the infrastructure from Telstra so they could at least get something started in an acceptable time frame.

The last mile will still be copper for a lot of users however if we ever want fast, reliable and cost effective bandwidth NBN or something similar is a must have.

NBN set the pricing and the resellers get to add their margins but they have to be competitive or die. yes, the floor pricing is higher than most countries but we are not exactly a cheap installation site either.

NBN will turn internet into where mobile phones and plans were early days, resellers everywhere pushing deals. Have to be good for buyers i would think?

See below for who will be reselling NBN besides Telstra.
 

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Calliope said:
Only a fool would not support high speed broadband. The politicians you mention are mainly grubs and grafters

Of course you don't. You follow the Party line.:rolleyes:

No? In your defence of Kaiser you said;

What part of Abbott's Uni behavior were you referring to?
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So you're not a "huge fan". of Conroy and you're not a "massive fan" of Gillard. Moderate to high perhaps. :rolleyes: I think you may be a massive fan of McTernan the king of spin.

Four more strikes against your credibility.:D
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You just can't help yourself, can you?

How about instead of continuing to extrapolate, exaggerate or completely make up my political position, you get all radical and debate the pros and cons of the NBN itself, and the alternative policy?

:banghead:
 
TheAbyss said:
The cost of running fibre in a country as geographically large as Australia is a challenging one technically, financially and politically. NBN had to buy the infrastructure from Telstra so they could at least get something started in an acceptable time frame.
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Perhaps more challenging than the government has anticipated.
 
drsmith said:
Perhaps more challenging than the government has anticipated.
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Agreed. Given the 10 year roll out plan they may well end up going back to their starting point and rerun the fibre as it has a 15 yr life so repairs and maintenance will be ongoing no doubt. Bit like the painters on the harbour bridge who just keep on going.
 
TheAbyss said:
Interesting perspective. NBN is a govt mandated organisation designed to be self funding. They provide to all resellers at a comparative price.
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Which will never deliver as cheap prices as a model which encourages competition at all levels. I can not really think of a "government" project that is run very efficiently, and as far as I see things like this, they are organisations that encourage mates jobs and corruption.

MW
 
TheAbyss said:
Agreed. Given the 10 year roll out plan they may well end up going back to their starting point and rerun the fibre as it has a 15 yr life so repairs and maintenance will be ongoing no doubt. Bit like the painters on the harbour bridge who just keep on going.
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The only way it ought to fail after that time is if they choose the cheapest tender and end up with dodgy cable.

The stuff just doesn't degrade anywhere near that quickly under any normal circumstance.
 
re NBN, given all it's problems published, through Senate Estimates and many yet to come.

If it looks like a dawg, and sounds like a dawg, and feels like a dawg.

It is a dawg.

Just google NBN AFR.

The Australian Financial Review is always on the money re government projects and waste.

gg
 
The NBN is a massive financial and logistics project, that will be so hard to macro manage that cost, technical and topographical blowouts are bound to happen.
It will take an amazing amount of centralised planning, cost and procurement control.
Also a management system and higherachy that is approachable and flexible to deal with the multitude of issues that will present themselves.

Can someone tell me How Labor and Conroy fit in?lol :D
 
TheAbyss said:
Agreed. Given the 10 year roll out plan they may well end up going back to their starting point and rerun the fibre as [highlight]it has a 15 yr life[/highlight] so repairs and maintenance will be ongoing no doubt. Bit like the painters on the harbour bridge who just keep on going.
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That's a myth.

Optical fibre has no known mechanism of failure as yet. Corning have lit fibre that has been in stress-test beds for 40 years, with no degradation or failure as yet. In fact, it's transmitting data faster than when it was manufactured due to the multiplexing advances that have occurred over time.

The maintenance cost of a fibre network is considerably lower than a copper network.
 
medicowallet said:
Which will never deliver as cheap prices as a model which encourages competition at all levels. I can not really think of a "government" project that is run very efficiently, and as far as I see things like this, they are organisations that encourage mates jobs and corruption.

MW
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Untrue.

As someone else wrote, utility infrastructure is a natural monopoly. It is perfectly logical to have one regulated infrastructure owner, with strong retail competition built on top of that.

In case you haven't noticed, there are no private companies lining up to build parallel electricity, water, gas or communication cable infrastructure. Perhaps you should ask yourself: "why not"?

Optus tried infrastructure competition in the 90s, and it almost sent them broke. Nobody has tried since, and if they have any sense, they won't.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/235024,optus-targets-nbn-wireless-fans-and-fibre-critics.aspx

Optus:
"People talk about letting infrastructure competition work. Maybe you should learn a lesson from history," Krishnapillai said.

"We have empirical evidence of what happened in the late nineties where Optus rolled out a pay TV network down streets in suburban Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

"Telstra went down the same streets, carpet-bombed the business case and effectively Optus and Telstra wrote off over $1 billion through that period. We were losing $300 million a year through that period at Optus.

"So for those that are very brave to ask - and this is always interesting when people tell other people how to spend their money - for those who are very brave to say we should let infrastructure competition continue, [I say] throw money into it.

"We've certainly seen empirical evidence that that will not work and that's one of the main reasons we support the NBN."
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NBNMyths said:
Untrue.

As someone else wrote, utility infrastructure is a natural monopoly. It is perfectly logical to have one regulated infrastructure owner, with strong retail competition built on top of that.

In case you haven't noticed, there are no private companies lining up to build parallel electricity, water, gas or communication cable infrastructure. Perhaps you should ask yourself: "why not"?

Optus tried infrastructure competition in the 90s, and it almost sent them broke. Nobody has tried since, and if they have any sense, they won't.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/235024,optus-targets-nbn-wireless-fans-and-fibre-critics.aspx
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NBNMyths, all the economic activity and business activity seems to be happening here in W.A.
I don't see much action on the street regarding the NBN.
I may be wrong, but I pedal around a lot and only see minimal blue happening.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a lot of blue action happening.
Maybe you are seeing a lot in your area?
The Eastern States are much more populuos.
 
NBNMyths said:
You just can't help yourself, can you?

How about instead of continuing to extrapolate, exaggerate or completely make up my political position, you get all radical and debate the pros and cons of the NBN itself, and the alternative policy?

:banghead:
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I couldn't give a toss about the NBN or any alternative policy. Turnbull will look after that. I am just surprised that you think a Government comprised mainly of ex union leaders, union officials, union lackeys and union lawyers could have any comprehension of planning, constructing or operating an enterprise, as huge as the NBN. Especially when Conroy, their second biggest clown (after Emerson) is running the show.:rolleyes:

You once said you would stake your reputation on the success of the project. I am still waiting to hear what your reputation is. Is it as a Labor spin-doctor or as a photo-shopper?
 
Calliope said:
I couldn't give a toss about the NBN or any alternative policy. Turnbull will look after that. I am just surprised that you think a Government comprised mainly of ex union leaders, union officials, union lackeys and union lawyers could have any comprehension of planning, constructing or operating an enterprise, as huge as the NBN. Especially when Conroy, their second biggest clown (after Emerson) is running the show.:rolleyes:

You once said you would stake your reputation on the success of the project. I am still waiting to hear what your reputation is. Is it as a Labor spin-doctor or as a photo-shopper?
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You're still going I see. The king of logical fallacies. Strawmen, Red herrings, Ad Homs. Maybe if you work at it, you can squeeze a few more in there. Here's a list, just check them off as you go.

In case you care, I did not "stake my reputation on the success of the NBN". I wrote that I would stake my reputation on my belief that "speed for speed, the retail prices for FTTN will not be cheaper than the NBN."


Are there any other things you'd like to make up about me today, or are you done?
 
NBNMyths said:
You're still going I see. The king of logical fallacies. Strawmen, Red herrings, Ad Homs. Maybe if you work at it, you can squeeze a few more in there.
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I wrote that I would stake my reputation
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Never mind. I rest my case. But as a matter of interest...what is this reputation you are prepared to stake?
 
The ACCC isn't happy with the NBN's pricing and access proposals and in return, NBN Co isn't too happy with the ACCC's response,

NBN Co said it would look to finalise the undertaking as soon as possible but did not mention whether it was likely to amend the document to note the commission’s concerns.

“We appreciate that the ACCC has a challenging task in balancing the views of a range of stakeholders in order to achieve a framework that is in the long-term interests of end users,” NBN Co head of regulatory affairs, Caroline Lovell, said in a statement. “We will continue to engage with industry and the ACCC as the remaining issues are resolved to ensure that an appropriate balance is achieved.”
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It will be interesting to see how that pans out.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/accc_rejects_nbn_access_terms_gayb16gc7op6VZb37ASDlM
 

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