Gina Rinehart

[numbercruncher]

Rubbish, her kids don't like her ? how many others would fit into that category ? How do you know her kids don't like her.....really.
No you don't it's just what you read in the paper.
She's a private individual don't go stirring up fallacies about people not liking her..........I'll let you in on a secret, most people wouldn't even know who she is.

So youd have some linkable evidence that her 3 older kids like her contrary to what the media reports ? Some of the media that she incidentially has a large shareholding in ...

So no fallacies ive linked plenty of articles about the feuding you calling them fallacies dont make it so ...

 

[sptrawler]

Hey numbercruncher were you a rigger, which would explain a lot of your posts?

 

[johenmo]

I'm an engineer, far more logical than most others here.

Q: How do you identify an extroverted engineer?
A: They look at other people's shoes when they talk to them...

SCM - I don't know you so this may not apply! I report into an engineering dept.

 

[Macquack]

"Australians to get first pick of mining jobs"
Now all the whiners can go for it, with any luck you can be in the pits by the end of the week.

I can see them now whistling, tapping their feet and edging toward the door........to hide

Burns would be happy with the following head
line "Foreigners to get first pick of mining jobs"

Her poetry is beyond parody:

Our nation needs special economic zones and wiser government, before it is too late

Reinhart needs to understand that she is either part of Australia or she can go start her own sovereign nation.

Burns and Co. are on the invitation list.

I won't be going, I reckon it with be the pits.

 

[MrBurns]

Burns would be happy with the following head
line "Foreigners to get first pick of mining jobs"

You seem to be consistent in as much as you always miss the point - I was pointing out that foreigners will not get precedence but even though Aussies are first in line I don't think enough of them will bother applying, as they would rather whinge than work, otherwise foreign workers would not be required would they Macquack.

I didnt miss the post you made then deleted either, all I can say is "same to you".

 

[DB008]

Good on Gina.

Turned a ~$70 million dollar inheritence in a few billion (with the help of a Rio Tino JV - Hope Downs)

What she does in her private life, is well, her private life.

I think that people are just jealous. Simple as that.

 

[Macquack]

even though Aussies are first in line I don't think enough of them will bother applying, as they would rather whinge than work.

Are you an Australian? If you are, you have a very poor attitude towards your fellow Australians.

otherwise foreign workers would not be required

Are they really required, that is the core issue. I maintain there is never a shortage of anything, only a shortage at a particular price.

Burns, do you understand the concept of "the thin edge of the wedge"?

 

[MrBurns]

Good on Gina.

Turned a ~$70 million dollar inheritence in a few billion (with the help of a Rio Tino JV - Hope Downs)

What she does in her private life, is well, her private life.

I think that people are just jealous. Simple as that.

+1

Are you an Australian? If you are, you have a very poor attitude towards your fellow Australians.
Burns, do you understand the concept of "the thin edge of the wedge"?

I am and I know all about the bludge mentallity encouraged by handouts without proper supervision, thin edge of the wedge ? don't panic Macquack the world wont change because a few foreigners are allowed in the do some work, you should apply yourself.

 

[DB008]

Are they really required, that is the core issue. I maintain there is never a shortage of anything, only a shortage at a particular price.

LOL. Would you take a wage cut then?

Are they really required? When you have billions on the line and contracts in place to supply a product with massive financial penalties if you don't deliver on-time, then YES, you would want to build the mine as fast as possible.

Should a tradie doing FIFO work be on ~$165k++ a year??? While a metro tradie be on ~$70k?

1) There is a massive shortage of skilled workers. Demand and supply. Rio/BHP/FMG and other mining companies just keep upping the wages to attract workers. Meanwhile, workers in the Eastern States are clutching at straws for work. We've all seen companies closing down/retrenching workers left-right-and-centre. What's that saying??? "You can lead a horse to water...."

2) Some people don't actually want to do FIFO work. I've been to a few sites in WA and literally seen people hop off the plane in the Pilbara and say, 'F**k this, put me back on the next flight' - And that is no BS.

3) Doing FIFO work can put pressure on families. At a guess, when l did FIFO, 'more than national average' of relationships broke up/did not work out in the long term.

 

[Miss Hale]

As for making fun of personal appearance, like John Howard's supposed short height or Bob Hawke's eyebrows, has always been a part and parcel of public life, not that it's right... though it is becoming less PC.

That's true, cartoonists would be out of a job if they couldn't make fun of people's physical appearance. However, no one is going to take you seriously (by 'you' I don't mean you personally but 'you' in general) if you simply resort to making comments about people's appearances to back up your argument and that applies to other politicians, commentators, posters on forums etc. Shows like Q&A are not are comedy shows and are not an appropriate place to make a gratuitous joke about someone's appearance ( I was also disappointed with Germaine Greer's comments about Julia Gillard).

Seriously you guys are the ones harping on about the feedback posted on the ABC article - wasnt us that bought up the fat and ugly comment was linked from ABC Q&A. The public broadly dont like her and its obviously mostly of her own doing.

It was you that brought it up! I refer to your opening post. If you want a serious discussion about Gina Rhinehart why start it with a quote (bolded by you) that mentions her being fat and ugly?

 

[Glen48]

DB: 1) There is a massive shortage of skilled workers. Demand and supply. Rio/BHP/FMG and other mining companies just keep upping the wages to attract workers

The only jobs going are for Mystery shoppers or Uni Grads such as geologists etc.

IF BHP and others shares prices is declining there has to be a declining market therefore no expansion.

 

[Calliope]

That's true, cartoonists would be out of a job if they couldn't make fun of people's physical appearance. However, no one is going to take you seriously (by 'you' I don't mean you personally but 'you' in general) if you simply resort to making comments about people's appearances to back up your argument and that applies to other politicians, commentators, posters on forums etc. Shows like Q&A are not are comedy shows and are not an appropriate place to make a gratuitous joke about someone's appearance ( I was also disappointed with Germaine Greer's comments about Julia Gillard).

It was you that brought it up! I refer to your opening post. If you want a serious discussion about Gina Rhinehart why start it with a quote (bolded by you) that mentions her being fat and ugly?

It is an invective very popular with the left on this forum, Miss Hale. They find it easier to ridicule someone's appearance, weight, character (and in one infamous case, even personal hygiene), when the are devoid of rational argument.

 

[Macquack]

LOL. Would you take a wage cut then?

Are they really required? When you have billions on the line and contracts in place to supply a product with massive financial penalties if you don't deliver on-time, then YES, you would want to build the mine as fast as possible.

Should a tradie doing FIFO work be on ~$165k++ a year??? While a metro tradie be on ~$70k?1) There is a massive shortage of skilled workers. Demand and supply. Rio/BHP/FMG and other mining companies just keep upping the wages to attract workers. Meanwhile, workers in the Eastern States are clutching at straws for work. We've all seen companies closing down/retrenching workers left-right-and-centre. What's that saying??? "You can lead a horse to water...."

2) Some people don't actually want to do FIFO work. I've been to a few sites in WA and literally seen people hop off the plane in the Pilbara and say, 'F**k this, put me back on the next flight' - And that is no BS.

3) Doing FIFO work can put pressure on families. At a guess, when l did FIFO, 'more than national average' of relationships broke up/did not work out in the long term.

Mate, I agree with what you are saying, I am a Sydney metro building contractor, but what does "Would you take a wage cut then?" mean?

 

[JTLP]

That really doesnt fit in a thread that is partially discussing Gina giving away thousands of our job just because she has a permit to mine our minerals.

This same person supports some dodgy northern economic exclusion zone that will shaft Australia even more.

NC - It does fit in the thread.

I don't see why people expect handouts/priorities etc in this day and age. We should all be working to make Australia great (after all - nobody here is 'Australian' per se - unless you're Indigenous). If this means flying in workers to ensure projects can get up and we can continue to prosper - then let it occur. I'd rather fly in people who want the jobs then having the project be delayed for months on end because we are struggling to fill them. The government knows this as well - that's why they give the EMA the big tick!

 

[numbercruncher]

If Forrest can do it , why cant Rinehart ? = greed - Rinehart is finding out those jobs are for Australians first not to line her pockets more.

JTLP - so your not patriotic thats fine - Im on Forrests side and it seems so is Abott.

BILLIONAIRE mining magnate Andrew Forrest has celebrated his Australian Employment Covenant (AEC) finding 10,000 jobs for Aboriginal people by taking a swipe at the federal government's record on indigenous employment.
New figures from employers who signed with the AEC founded by Mr Forrest show that 10,501 indigenous Australians were now off welfare and working, the AEC said in a statement.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/wor...bs/story-e6frfm9r-1226342331025#ixzz1xTo5622W

Yet so many of you support leaving people on the dole so Billionaires can get richer - blows me away.

Libs vow to back Twiggy on 'real' jobs

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/libs-vow-to-back-twiggy-on-real-jobs/story-fn59noo3-1226358203242

No doubt a few here will swap teams play polictics and call a moral liberal victory on promoting Australian jobs ?

 

[sptrawler]

DB: 1) There is a massive shortage of skilled workers. Demand and supply. Rio/BHP/FMG and other mining companies just keep upping the wages to attract workers

The only jobs going are for Mystery shoppers or Uni Grads such as geologists etc.

IF BHP and others shares prices is declining there has to be a declining market therefore no expansion.

Good post Glen.

Keeps everyone thinking there are jobs, they only have to apply and if they don't get one, they are idiots.LOL

 

[numbercruncher]

Plenty more evidence of this rort surfacing - dont really have to look far.

THE plan to import 1700 semi-skilled workers to help build Gina Rinehart's Roy Hill Mine has exposed discontent among many in the community who feel the mining boom is someone else's boom, not theirs.

If we are to spread the benefits of the boom, workers willing and able to accept jobs in the mining industry must be assured a fair go.

My office has been inundated by people giving examples of highly skilled and semi-skilled workers who have applied for jobs in the mining industry being rejected with little or no explanation.

These are qualified people from the Hunter Valley, Illawarra, Sydney, the Latrobe Valley, Tasmania and even from Western Australia who are willing and able to take a job in the Pilbara. Mining companies haven't even had the common courtesy to acknowledge receipt of their job applications.

We must have a clear and unequivocal position on this: If Australian workers are being denied employment on mine construction sites then companies should not have a licence to engage overseas workers.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/good-jobs-for-aussies-is-not-a-miner-matter/story-e6frezz0-1226370306942

 

[sptrawler]

Jeez, if you look back at least a year ago, we posted that Warrick Mckibbin was saying this was an issue.
Just love how the public reaction is like time lapse photography.

 

[Calliope]

Plenty more evidence of this rort surfacing - dont really have to look far.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/good-jobs-for-aussies-is-not-a-miner-matter/story-e6frezz0-1226370306942

Evidence surfacing? . The article was written by the extremely left biased ALP Senator Doug Cameron a fortnight ago.

 

[numbercruncher]

Evidence surfacing? . The article was written by the extremely left biased ALP Senator Doug Cameron a fortnight ago.

Next youll be accusing Abbott of also being "extremely left" for supporting that great Aussie legend Forrest in his quest for Aussie jobs.

A few of you should perhaps seek unification with China or something as your hell bent on being Un-Australian, maybe hook up with your Heroine Gina to seek succession from Australia and form your utopia Northern Economic Exclusion zone.