Gina Rinehart

[MrBurns]

Just because something is lawful doesn't make it right or ethical. I think many posters would have a lot to say about the carbon tax. It is lawful - but do you automatically agree with it and think it's the right path for Australia?
Let us not be hypocrites here.

I dont see the problem if she cant get people here to go into that hell hole and do a days work, instead of sitting round on the dole smoking weed
If she were denying Australians work I'd agree with you but I cant see how.

Yes, and that is precisely the reason. She does not want to pay the wages which the free market has set, so she buys up media and threatens the government with bad press if they don't grant her the ability to fly in foreign Labor who are willing to work for minimum required wages, undercutting local workers.

She hasnt bought up the media.....yet, if she tried to influence via that means it would be treasonous.

If she is undercutting Australian wages ok but if she's doing this legally all I can say is if it's wrong Gillard would change the law wouldnt she ? she's hateful and vindictive enough to do it.

The Carbon Tax is different, thats an imposition on ALL of us done as only Labor can with utter contempt for public opinion.
Thats also why personal insults against Gillard are understandable because of the anger she has created whereas Rinehart ? she doesnt even give interviews, just acts within the law and makes money.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

I dont see the problem if she cant get people here to go into that hell hole and do a days work, instead of sitting round on the dole smoking weed
If she were denying Australians work I'd agree with you but I cant see how.

She is denying Australians work. Don't for a second believe there aren't enough people to work in the mines, just read the importing immigrants thread for stories of how hard it is to get a job for an Aussie miner.

Furthermore, a lot of the jobs are actually in construction instead of work inside the mine itself, and the construction industry has been contracting for a while now - there is absolutely no question that there are plenty of unemployed construction workers for the taking.

Again, this is a simple issue of Gina not wanting to pay fair wages as determined by the market.

She hasnt bought up the media.....yet, if she tried to influence via that means it would be treasonous.

Really, then what do you call The Oz? Should it's editors be sent to federal prison for treason?

Treason is not really a crime in Australia - just look at Mark Arbib.

If she is undercutting Australian wages ok but if she's doing this legally all I can say is if it's wrong Gillard would change the law wouldnt she ? she's hateful and vindictive enough to do it.

Since when has our government ever done anything for Australians? They only seek to make money for themselves and special interest groups.

The Carbon Tax is different

Oh it's different is it? Is it different because you don't like it? Again, let's not be hypocrites here - you are well aware that the government does a lot of things which are bad for our economy and our people. Importing foreign labour because the country's richest person doesn't feel like paying fair wages is no exception.

thats an imposition on ALL of us done as only Labor can with utter contempt for public opinion.
Thats also why personal insults against Gillard are understandable because of the anger she has created whereas Rinehart ? she doesnt even give interviews, just acts within the law and makes money.

Outright hypocrisy. They are both very bad, and they both to bad things to Australia.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Whatever you guys are smokin on this thread ain't doing any good to your cognitive processes.

I have rarely read a greater load of bollocks in all my born days.


gg

 

[MrBurns]

She is denying Australians work. Don't for a second believe there aren't enough people to work in the mines, just read the importing immigrants thread for stories of how hard it is to get a job for an Aussie miner.

I don't believe that Swan and Gillard wouldnt stop her in her tracks if she was doing anything to prevent Australians getting work.
It would be all over the papers and they would try to make big heros out of themselves in the process as usual.

Really, then what do you call The Oz? Should it's editors be sent to federal prison for treason?
Treason is not really a crime in Australia - just look at Mark Arbib.

Ok perhaps the wrong word was used but it would be so obvious if the editorials changed after her buying in that the paper would lose all credibility.

Oh it's different is it? Is it different because you don't like it? Again, let's not be hypocrites here - you are well aware that the government does a lot of things which are bad for our economy and our people. Importing foreign labour because the country's richest person doesn't feel like paying fair wages is no exception.

Using personal insults against someone who has cost jobs and our surplus is an understandable part of the anger that results BUT using personal insults against Rinehart for going about her business ? She and her kind are keeping us afloat at present and making disparaging remarks about her weight is just childish.

With Gillard however it's our only way of protesting and venting, as pointless as it is , before the election.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

I don't believe that Swan and Gillard wouldnt stop her in her tracks if she was doing anything to prevent Australians getting work.
It would be all over the papers and they would try to make big heros out of themselves in the process as usual.

There's a lot of problems here. I understand your assertions though, but you must understand that they aren't the populist anti-business types they are cracked up to be. In reality they will take it up the rump from business no different to any other party.

A better perspective is that they wanted to avoid another controversial confrontation with more miners who are far wealthier than the government, and can command far more advertising money to spread their message.

There is no doubt that ALP is either entirely complicit to this or (less likely, but possible) were formally but privately threatened with more media campaigns against them. At a time when their polling is down, they obviously would want to avoid something like that.

Surely you must admit that a great deal of discussion has to have taken place between the government and Rinehart because this happened, what do you imagine they talked about? The fact that there are countless unemployed people in the country looking for work is no secret.

Ok perhaps the wrong word was used but it would be so obvious if the editorials changed after her buying in that the paper would lose all credibility.

Would it really? It's not something that would happen overnight, but Rinehart is after two seats on Fairfax's board, and there is no question that the message and more importantly spin would, overtime, change.

The presence of News Ltd in Australia shows that Australians have no problem with biased media, and accept it willingly.

Using personal insults against someone who has cost jobs and our surplus is an understandable part of the anger that results BUT using personal insults against Rinehart for going about her business ? She and her kind are keeping us afloat at present and making disparaging remarks about her weight is just childish.

I disagree. Mining employs basically nobody compared to every other industry, and as a result of mining our dollar is greatly speculated upon - and it has been destroying every other industry for a very long time now.

Mining is like a cancer that is destroying our economy form the inside out.

And Gina is not a mere bystander, she is not just going about her business - she approached the government and lobbied (and possibly threatened) them in order for her to be allowed to import foreign labour at a time when our industries are in contraction and people are losing their jobs. I cannot - nor should anyone, look upon this lightly.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I disagree. Mining employs basically nobody compared to every other industry, and as a result of mining our dollar is greatly speculated upon - and it has been destroying every other industry for a very long time now.

Mining is like a cancer that is destroying our economy form the inside out.

And Gina is not a mere bystander, she is not just going about her business - she approached the government and lobbied (and possibly threatened) them in order for her to be allowed to import foreign labour at a time when our industries are in contraction and people are losing their jobs. I cannot - nor should anyone, look upon this lightly.

Sit in your fading jocks in front of the mirror and repeat what you have just posted.

Read Ovid, and Caesar and delight in their finding of assets that can be mined.

Your education is limited.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

There's a lot of problems here. I understand your assertions though, but you must understand that they aren't the populist anti-business types they are cracked up to be. In reality they will take it up the rump from business no different to any other party.

A better perspective is that they wanted to avoid another controversial confrontation with more miners who are far wealthier than the government, and can command far more advertising money to spread their message.

There is no doubt that ALP is either entirely complicit to this or (less likely, but possible) were formally but privately threatened with more media campaigns against them. At a time when their polling is down, they obviously would want to avoid something like that.

Surely you must admit that a great deal of discussion has to have taken place between the government and Rinehart because this happened, what do you imagine they talked about? The fact that there are countless unemployed people in the country looking for work is no secret.

I still find it hard to believe that Swan and Gillard would forgo a free kick if Rinehart was depriving Aussies of a job, it would be too hard to resist and she (Gillard) would have everyones support.

Would it really? It's not something that would happen overnight, but Rinehart is after two seats on Fairfax's board, and there is no question that the message and more importantly spin would, overtime, change.

Must admit it seems strange that she would bother at all, there could only be one reason so I guess you're right.
Now THAT takes forethought and business nouse you have to admit.

 

[hja]

She was a fine looking lass when she was younger, and she could hold her own still against some of the anorexic old pieces from the ABC, Fairfax and the Greens.

gg

Playboy pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

I still find it hard to believe that Swan and Gillard would forgo a free kick if Rinehart was depriving Aussies of a job, it would be too hard to resist and she (Gillard) would have everyones support.

I realise this, but you incorrectly believe the world to be a good and just place where politicians do the right thing because the people will support them.

In reality they are all corrupt parasites, who dare not upset mining billionaires who can easily spend 100 times more on advertising in every single media medium.

This is nothing new either, just look at the whole ALP fiasco where mining dollars forced them to change leaders and completely bastardised the mining tax. ALP support plummeted - under no circumstances do they want a repeat of that.

It doesn't matter how right you think they might appear, it is all for nothing if mining companies put 10 ads per hour during whatever crap people watch these days on TV, in an attempt to discredit the government. They have done this in the past and it has worked very well.

The sad reality is, whoever has the most money dictates popular opinion.

 

[hja]

I realise this, but you incorrectly believe the world to be a good and just place where politicians do the right thing because the people will support them.

In reality they are all corrupt parasites, who dare not upset mining billionaires who can easily spend 100 times more on advertising in every single media medium.

All? This isn't Waziristan and Julia isn't exactly Putin.

Is there any other point of going from one to extreme to the other, other than to illustrate it?

 

[MrBurns]

I realise this, but you incorrectly believe the world to be a good and just place where politicians do the right thing because the people will support them.

In reality they are all corrupt parasites, who dare not upset mining billionaires who can easily spend 100 times more on advertising in every single media medium.

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They've already done this with Palmer so thats not a valid argument.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

All? This isn't Waziristan and Julia isn't exactly Putin.

Putin has taken all of the money from certain prominent Russian billionaires, put them in jail and nationalised their mining companies. If Gillard did that with Rinehart and Palmer, that would be ****ing awesome.

While I am not suggesting that Putin is not corrupt, I would actually prefer his style of corruption to what goes on in this country. The Australian government is pathetically weak and completely powerless to deliver any good outcome for Australians at all. They are completely and utterly incapable of standing up to billionaires and their corporations which are destroying the country.

Back in Russia, they taxed Yukos until the company went bankrupt and was forced to nationalise. I would love to see that kind of resolve from the Australian government.

Is there any other point of going from one to extreme to the other, other than to illustrate it?

Not sure what you mean here.

They've already done this with Palmer so thats not a valid argument.

Sort of. Palmer was the one to start his attack on the government wasn't he? He fired the gun first. Rinehart is seemingly smarter, choosing instead to make backroom deals with the government in return for them doing whatever she wants.

 

[explod]

Good post Starcraftmazter.

The biggest and fittest bull owns the herd.

The most money Rules and delegates the servants to make the rules.

Its called evolution and the poor can never make it.

 

[drsmith]

Whatever people may think, she has to be an improvement on her step-mum.

 

[drsmith]

Enough! Lay off each other and stick to discussing the topic of the thread. I am tired of removing off-topic posts. Last warning.

I blame the government.

They started this nasty class warfare.

 

[hja]

Putin has taken all of the money from certain prominent Russian billionaires, put them in jail and nationalised their mining companies. If Gillard did that with Rinehart and Palmer, that would be ****ing awesome.

While I am not suggesting that Putin is not corrupt, I would actually prefer his style of corruption to what goes on in this country. The Australian government is pathetically weak and completely powerless to deliver any good outcome for Australians at all. They are completely and utterly incapable of standing up to billionaires and their corporations which are destroying the country.

Back in Russia, they taxed Yukos until the company went bankrupt and was forced to nationalise. I would love to see that kind of resolve from the Australian government.

Ha, yeah, ok.

Anyway... the difference is, whether you were a millionaire or of the hoi polloi, living in Russia, you wouldn't be able to express such an opinion or walk that talk on the streets without fear of being rounded up and thrown in the slammer!

 

[gav]

I don't mind her and I thought the attack on her on Q&A was appalling. And where are all the feminists, why aren't they standing up for her when people are calling her fat and ugly?

Fairfax could certinly benefit from her expertise on the board - their loss.

I totally agree. And despite being posted on a Lefty blog, I thought this piece summed up the Q&A episode rather well:
http://newswithnipples.com/2012/05/29/the-casual-misogyny-of-qanda/

Change the title to the Packers, Murdochs, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and there will be similar characteristics.

Surprising that you included Steve Jobs in that group. Despite having many similarities to the others mentioned, Jobs was (and still is) worshipped by the masses that would harshly criticize the others mentioned. They conveniently ignore the horrendous conditions of the Chinese factories in which Apple products are made (but still tweet from their iPhones about the "evils" of capitalism).

 

[Starcraftmazter]

Anyway... the difference is, whether you were a millionaire or of the hoi polloi, living in Russia, you wouldn't be able to express such an opinion or walk that talk on the streets without fear of being rounded up and thrown in the slammer!

Completely untrue, one prominent Russian businessman even ran for president against Putin. Last time I checked he hasn't been rounded up and thrown into the slammer.

 

[Julia]

I blame the government.

They started this nasty class warfare.

They did indeed. Wayne Swann in particular.
Once was known as biting the hand that feeds you.

Not once in this thread or in any other which apparently takes so much pleasure in demonising one particular person who brings much employment and wealth to this country can I find any reference to the almost 7000 Australian workers who will be hired amongst this latest project of Ms Rinehart's.

Might be something to think about amongst those of you hysterical and short sighted people who suggest we should export Ms Rinehart herself.

She is running a business, not a welfare agency.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

Not once in this thread or in any other which apparently takes so much pleasure in demonising one particular person who brings much employment and wealth to this country can I find any reference to the almost 7000 Australian workers who will be hired amongst this latest project of Ms Rinehart's.

If it wasn't her, it would be someone else. She herself has done nothing unique to employ those people, whoever owns the land with the iron and coal would have employed them regardless. She has done nothing special or anything that someone else wouldn't.

Except of course importing foreign labour.

She is running a business, not a welfare agency.

Oh okey, so employing Australians how counts as welfare, yep sure that makes perfect sense.