NBN Rollout Scrapped

[Garpal Gumnut]

Bollocks, utter bollocks... seriously what's the point in posting politically motivated, well worded rubbish with a content value of nothing. :disgust: why not comment on today's GDP numbers? perhaps you can somehow spin it to make the Coalition look good.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...n-on-bullish-gdp/story-e6frg916-1226386561291

Post a new thread on it mate, and you may be surprised by my comments. This is an NBN Debacle thread.

gg

 

[sptrawler]

perhaps you can somehow spin it to make the Coalition look good.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...n-on-bullish-gdp/story-e6frg916-1226386561291

Fortunately nobody has to spin anything, even in Europe and the U,K(I've just got back) they are talking about how unpopular this labor govt is. I joke not. and they weren't Australians commenting.
The goose is cooked.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Fortunately nobody has to spin anything, even in Europe and the U,K(I've just got back) they are talking about how unpopular this labor govt is. I joke not. and they weren't Australians commenting.
The goose is cooked.

+1

gg

 

[NBNMyths]

It is a shameful waste of money on a technology that will be redundant in five years time.

Really? Can you tell us all what magical technology will be rolled out in the next 5 years that no-one in the telecommunications industry knows about? Before any more countries join the >50 that currently have fibre networks being installed, you'd better educate all those people as well. Oh, and those silly tech/telco companies like Intel, Microsoft, Google, Optus, Vodafone etc.... You'd better let their shareholders know that their execs and techies obviously have NFI and should be sacked immediately.

Given that the Coalition's policy is to spend $17bn on technology that's already redundant, I'd also like to read your scathing assessment of their policy. :

Designed on the back of an envelope, on a tax payer paid flight, in business class seats, by two Labor ministers who have never had a proper job in their lives.

Oh, silly me. I thought the FTTP NBN was borne following the extensive recommendations of people like Rod Tucker? You know, people who actually know what they're talking about when it comes to technology. I guess ol' Johnny thought Rod knew his stuff when he awarded him the Australia Prize (now the Prime Minister's Prize for Science) for his services to Telecommunications? Perhaps he's lost his marbles since then though.

And nobody in N.Queensland has heard of it, witnessed it's benefits nor used it, except on tax payer funded advertisements.
gg

Gee, maybe I'm not good with maps, but I'm pretty sure Townsville is in North Queensland.


Thanks gg. Nice to see the accuracy of your posts isn't getting any better.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I'll sign off on your timesheet NBNMyths.

It should be worth time x 2.5 for such a late night post on behalf of the comrades on the ship of fools.

gg

 

[NBNMyths]

I'll sign off on your timesheet NBNMyths.

It should be worth time x 2.5 for such a late night post on behalf of the comrades on the ship of fools.

gg

I wish. Currently sitting in my SOHO with my 3-week-old, while my wife gets some shuteye. Should be finishing off editing a video which is due next week, but I'm talking to one dummy, while inserting another, instead.

 

[sptrawler]

I must say NBNMyths, after my recent sojourn, one doesn't realise how much and how quickly we have become reliant on the internet.
Therefore I must confess, the govt may as well waste it on the internet, as on anything else. At least there is an ongoing benefit, as opposed to some of their other initiatives.
However I still doubt it will be done on time or under budget.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I wish. Currently sitting in my SOHO with my 3-week-old, while my wife gets some shuteye. Should be finishing off editing a video which is due next week, but I'm talking to one dummy, while inserting another, instead.

lol, I will pay that one.

Congrats on being a man rich in your family happiness and productivity.

Nonetheless your good fortune I would guess was conceived of love and hope for the future, which sounds well founded.

The NBN however was founded upon the desperate scribblings of otherwise unemployable Labor hacks, unemployable in a fair market, politicians desperate to spend OPM in a dash for short term advantage.

gg

 

[Calliope]

lol, I will pay that one.

Congrats on being a man rich in your family happiness and productivity.

Obviously NBNMyths is well paid by Conroy's department to spread his spin. He denies this of course, but he would, wouldn't he? The taxpayer has to bear the cost of his blatant propaganda. He has no other purpose on this forum.

 

[Knobby22]

Come on, if he was being paid surely he would choose a better name.

Calliope would be better for instance.

 

[Calliope]

Come on, if he was being paid surely he would choose a better name.

Calliope would be better for instance.

That one's already taken. OK, it's just a labour of love.

 

[NBNMyths]

Obviously NBNMyths is well paid by Conroy's department to spread his spin. He denies this of course, but he would, wouldn't he? The taxpayer has to bear the cost of his blatant propaganda. He has no other purpose on this forum.

The only reason I'm on this forum at all is because someone linked to my nbnmyths blog somewhere near the start of this thread and it came up in the referrals list when I was checking my stats.

If you're implying that I have no interest in share trading, then you're spot on. I've never owned any shares in my life, although I greatly regret not listening to my inner-geek in ~1997, which told me to buy a thousand Apple shares at US$7 each.

It is funny that some people are so reality-limited that they think someone backing a project that has such profound implications for the future, and enjoys such a large amount of public support, must be on the payroll.

 

[Calliope]

Of course it has a "large amount of public support." If I were asked whether I would like a faster broadband service, the of course I would say :yes."

 

[So_Cynical]

The only reason I'm on this forum at all is because someone linked to my nbnmyths blog somewhere near the start of this thread and it came up in the referrals list when I was checking my stats.

Ill take the credit for that. who knew i could randomly do something so helpful to this forum. :dunno:

 

[moXJO]

In senate estimates a couple of weeks ago, the takeup rate of Kiama was given as 34%, and Willunga as 30%. These sites went live in October 2011, so that's a ~6 month period, although Telstra (with 50% market share) only started offering services in March 2012.


Putting that into perspective:

The takeup rate of ADSL in Australia was 3% after 18 months

The takeup rate of ADSL/ADSL2+ in Tasmania now is ~44% after 11 years.

The takeup rate of Optus cable internet in the footprint is ~20% after 10 years

The takeup rate of Verizon FiOS fibre optic internet (in the USA) is about 30% after 5 years.

Thanks NBN

 

[bellenuit]

Take-up rate claims 'misleading'

THE take-up rate in the first part of Australia to get the National Broadband Network is flatlining, with just over 100 extra customers signing up over the past year.

New figures reveal the first Tasmanian towns to get the NBN -- Smithton, Scottsdale and Midway Point -- had 702 customers at April 6, of the 3987 premises that were passed by the network.

This compares with about 600 customers reported in mid-May last year. And the take-up rates have increased by a fraction in the time since mid-October.

At April 6, the take-up rates were 27 per cent for Midway Point, 13 per cent for Scottsdale and 14 per cent for Smithton.

This compares with 25 per cent for Midway Point in mid-October and 12 per cent for Scottsdale. The take-up rates at Smithton remain unchanged.

Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said the figures, revealed in written answers to a Senate committee, showed the NBN Co's claims that take-up was at the high end were misleading.

"The only reason more customers than expected are choosing high-speed plans is that early adopters are still the bulk of the NBN's customers," Mr Turnbull said. "It's early in the rollout, but these figures remind us that for most Australians Labor's $50 billion NBN is not a "must-have" -- which is why the government is propping up its finances by paying competing networks to close."

A spokesman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the take-up rates in Tasmania were expected to increase as more internet providers entered the market.

A spokeswoman for NBN Co, Rhonda Griffin, said the take-up figures in Tasmania reflected the pilot nature of the project in the state and that the construction of the network in the Apple Isle remained on track for completion in 2015. "At 17 per cent overall, the Tasmanian take-up reflects the effect of early adopters in a pilot or pre-release site, where the full range of retail service providers is not offering services at the present time," she said.

The Tasmanian network was officially switched on in August 2010 as a pilot site. In May last year, the NBN Co identified seven other towns in Tasmania -- Deloraine, Kingston Beach, George Town, Sorell, South Hobart, St Helens and Triabunna -- to be connected to the fibre network this year. Of those seven new sites, Triabunna and Sorell are the only two to have been switched on so far.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...laims-misleading/story-e6frgaif-1226383973431

 

[bellenuit]

What is meant by the take-up rate in relation to the NBN?

For example, does 30% mean that the fibre cable passed X amount of houses and 30% of those houses opted to have a connection from their house to the fibre cable. Or does it mean that the fibre cable was installed in X premises and 30% of those premises have taken out a broadband service on that connection?

For the former, is there a cost to the householder of connecting their house to the street fibre cable?

 

[boofhead]

During the building phase the fibre to the premises installation does not have a fee.

I'm sure plenty of the people in the regions have a Bigpond connection and Bigpond has only just made an announcement about NBN fibre customers in Tasmania. Telstra wouldn't connect customers in Tasmania because the customer termination equipment limited things to 100 Mbit.

 

[bellenuit]

During the building phase the fibre to the premises installation does not have a fee.

I'm sure plenty of the people in the regions have a Bigpond connection and Bigpond has only just made an announcement about NBN fibre customers in Tasmania. Telstra wouldn't connect customers in Tasmania because the customer termination equipment limited things to 100 Mbit.

So it costs the householder nothing to install the fibre connection to their premises, even if they never intend to use the service at all?

So is this what the take up-rate is referring to, the number of households who have installed the fibre to their premises? If so, why then the comparison with ADSL, ADSL2 and Cable, which presumably cost the consumer to install, whether it be for the service or modems or whatever?

 

[NBNMyths]

What is meant by the take-up rate in relation to the NBN?

For example, does 30% mean that the fibre cable passed X amount of houses and 30% of those houses opted to have a connection from their house to the fibre cable. Or does it mean that the fibre cable was installed in X premises and 30% of those premises have taken out a broadband service on that connection?

For the former, is there a cost to the householder of connecting their house to the street fibre cable?

"30% takeup" means 30% of passed houses have connected and taken up a monthly subscription. eg: If it passed 1000 people and 300 joined with an active connection.

There is no connection charge, just a monthly price (Although some ISPs charge a setup fee when you start your active service).

So it costs the householder nothing to install the fibre connection to their premises, even if they never intend to use the service at all?

Correct. Hence, you're mad not to accept that connection.

So is this what the take up-rate is referring to, the number of households who have installed the fibre to their premises? If so, why then the comparison with ADSL, ADSL2 and Cable, which presumably cost the consumer to install, whether it be for the service or modems or whatever?

No, that's not the takeup rate. Those who have chosen to receive a free connection to the house during the rollout is much higher. In Kiama, it was about 90% who accepted a connection IIRC, while the "takeup rate" for Kiama is 34% (ie those who have a connection, and are using it).

You don't need a "modem" to connect to the NBN. if you only have one computer, for example, then you can just plug it straight into the NBN box with an ethernet cable. Alternatively (as most people would do), you would plug a router into the NBN box and connect your devices to that via ethernet or WiFi.