14 year old boy arrested in Bali

[IFocus]

From face book evidently the kid thinks he's bullet proof.
Set up or not---loose lips sink ships.
Some one needs to take away his I pad---NOW!

yes unbeliveable

Frankly I and friends and family keep well clear of Bali.
there are far better destinations than here.
15 yrs ago I was approached twice with drug offers.
My kids have been approached many many times in their 3 visits.

The scary part is they tell me that they know of cases where they have had friends tell of stories where drugs have been planted by some in luggage---police called and busted with money changing hands before they leave.

Ive seen corruption (not drug related) in police in Bali.

Not a destination Id recommend.

Bali is fine and actually ultra safe but like the markets you have to understand the rules and the game.

 

[trainspotter]

I live there for a month every year. Stay on the other side of the Island and not around the Legian/Kuta area where all the yobbos (Aussie tourists) and the Javanese congregate. Have never been propositioned for illicit materials nor for the broad leaf entertainment plant but then again do not hang out looking for it either. Bali is what you make of it as it caters for everyone and is open to abuse as the laws are a bit looser. Also the people that are there on holidays would tend to do things they normally would not do at home. Like wear Bintang singlets and get your hair braided and ride a motorbike without a helmet. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH ..... That's Bali !!!!!! LOL

 

[pilots]

Looks like he is going to do time, just wait six months more and we will have some other Di#k head do the same thing, WILL THEY EVER LEAN.

 

[joea]

Looks like he is going to do time, just wait six months more and we will have some other Di#k head do the same thing, WILL THEY EVER LEAN.

that is a certainty!!!!! "on both points"!
joea

 

[Julia]

If Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard had refrained from their ridiculous grandstanding, the kid's situation could probably have been sorted out quietly without a prison sentence.

 

[JTLP]

If Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard had refrained from their ridiculous grandstanding, the kid's situation could probably have been sorted out quietly without a prison sentence.

Exactly!

Brownie media points because big Kev is mounting a secret comeback (vomit) and Julia needing to stay 'relevant' has meant that this kid will end up getting the wrong end of the stick (not that he doesn't deserve a little punishment) but certainly a lot worse now.

 

[IFocus]

Clearly looks like the Indo justice system is far fairer than our own, we keep Indo's locked up with out charge for years.

I guess we wont see these questions on the 6.00 news.

Mike Calton

The shame we keep locked away

Ardi's boat, full of Afghan refugees, was intercepted by an Australian customs vessel off Western Australia's Kimberley coast in March last year. He spent 10 months in immigration detention, without charge, before he was sent to the Arthur Gorrie adult jail in Queensland on criminal remand , where he was banged away with hardened thugs.

A 15-year-old named Mukhtar was recruited from the even more remote island of Rote, a speck in the ocean near Timor. He was paid just $400. In late 2009 he was caught off Christmas Island, held for eight months in detention and then transferred to Hakea Prison, a maximum security adult jail in Perth. There he was kept in a section for ''protected prisoners'' who, almost certainly, included killers and child molesters. After a year and 11 months, a Perth court dismissed charges of people smuggling and he was sent home last Friday week. The $4 a day he'd been paid for prison work was taken from him to defray his airfare.

HOW on earth have we come to this? Are we now so callously indifferent to basic human decency that we believe we can treat these wretched people with such contempt?

Where are the normal safeguards of the law, which should keep children out of adult jails and ensure that they, and anyone else, are quickly brought to trial?

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...locked-away-20111021-1mc7p.html#ixzz1bYJkqlTu

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

If Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard had refrained from their ridiculous grandstanding, the kid's situation could probably have been sorted out quietly without a prison sentence.

I would totally agree. Just imagine if the President of Indonesia and his Foreign Minister started calling cop shops in Australia where Indonesian nationals were being interviewed.

What a gormless duo.

gg

 

[marklar]

Admittedly this kid is too young to have heard of Barlow & Chambers, but surely his parents did? I'm sure everyone has heard of Ms. Corby & the 9 other idiots that got busted with drugs overseas.

Zero excuses this time around.

Yes it's tragic and was entirely preventable and now the tree hugging hippies want to save the kid from any punishment whatsoever. Maybe this one stupid kid can finally be a lesson to everyone else, accept some personal responsibility for what he did and live with the consequences (as terrible as they may be.)

 

[Knobby22]

Yes it's tragic and was entirely preventable and now the tree hugging hippies want to save the kid from any punishment whatsoever. Maybe this one stupid kid can finally be a lesson to everyone else, accept some personal responsibility for what he did and live with the consequences (as terrible as they may be.)

I wouldn't call Garpal and Julia tree hugging hippies!
They appear to want everyone to be quiet about it and bribe the system discreetly. (I presume, not sure what other method could be used and I have lived and worked in Jakarta)

My opinion is that it should be in the public domain and justice should be seen to be done and the boy should be treated the same as an Indonesian citizen of the same age would be. We should not demand that they make an unfair exception because he is Australian. That will only make us enemies of some of the populace in the future.

 

[tech/a]

My opinion is that it should be in the public domain and justice should be seen to be done and the boy should be treated the same as an Indonesian citizen of the same age would be

A few thousand rupiah and a local is on his way.
This will cost this wealthy aussi family at least $250K
No $$ he will do time.

 

[Julia]

I wouldn't call Garpal and Julia tree hugging hippies!
They appear to want everyone to be quiet about it and bribe the system discreetly. (I presume, not sure what other method could be used and I have lived and worked in Jakarta)

Knobby, I'm sure I've never said that he should not be either punished or made an example of. I've just observed that most likely the punishment will be more severe as a result of Gillard and Rudd publicly embarrassing the Indonesian government with their ridiculous media publicity and personal phone calls to the boy.

Making an objective observation is not the same as expressing a personal opinion.

To be candid, I'd be sorry to see the kid's parents or whomever bribe his way out of this. If that happens, what's the lesson to the boy? Obviously that you can behave like a total idjit, yet if you go about it in a clever way and have enough money, you don't have to experience the consequences of your foolishness.

So please don't imply that I condone bribery of anyone for anything. I absolutely do not.

The other aspect of this case that sickens me is the utter hypocrisy of our government in protesting about the boy being jailed, when they are holding ignorant young Indonesians in detention or jail here for extended periods of time, often without charge, on suspicion of being so called people smugglers.

These kids, some the same age as the Australian boy, are uneducated, village based fishermen who would obviously be vulnerable to suggestions of reducing the poverty of their families by crewing a boat to Australia.
It's quite probable, imo, that when they agreed they had no idea they were doing anything illegal.

Just imagine the outrage here if the top ranking members of the Indonesian government were to make widely publicised phone calls to these kids in our jails. What do you think would be the reaction?

 

[todster]

Knobby, I'm sure I've never said that he should not be either punished or made an example of. I've just observed that most likely the punishment will be more severe as a result of Gillard and Rudd publicly embarrassing the Indonesian government with their ridiculous media publicity and personal phone calls to the boy.

Making an objective observation is not the same as expressing a personal opinion.

To be candid, I'd be sorry to see the kid's parents or whomever bribe his way out of this. If that happens, what's the lesson to the boy? Obviously that you can behave like a total idjit, yet if you go about it in a clever way and have enough money, you don't have to experience the consequences of your foolishness.

So please don't imply that I condone bribery of anyone for anything. I absolutely do not.

The other aspect of this case that sickens me is the utter hypocrisy of our government in protesting about the boy being jailed, when they are holding ignorant young Indonesians in detention or jail here for extended periods of time, often without charge, on suspicion of being so called people smugglers.

These kids, some the same age as the Australian boy, are uneducated, village based fishermen who would obviously be vulnerable to suggestions of reducing the poverty of their families by crewing a boat to Australia.
It's quite probable, imo, that when they agreed they had no idea they were doing anything illegal.

objective lol

 

[Knobby22]

Just imagine the outrage here if the top ranking members of the Indonesian government were to make widely publicised phone calls to these kids in our jails. What do you think would be the reaction?

I didn't realise that Kevin had done that. I agree, he should have acted through diplomatic channels. Bad behaviour.

 

[Calliope]

My opinion is that it should be in the public domain and justice should be seen to be done and the boy should be treated the same as an Indonesian citizen of the same age would be.

Or perhaps he should be treated the say way as we treat Indonesian minors who happen to be part of the boat crew of the people smugglers. i.e. lock him up for a few years without trial.

 

[Knobby22]

Or perhaps he should be treated the say way as we treat Indonesian minors who happen to be part of the boat crew of the people smugglers. i.e. lock him up for a few years without trial.

LOL
Yes,we have to be careful playing Pot, Kettle black with the Indonesians.

 

[IFocus]

You would think they would wait until he gets back to Oz before releasing this the Indo's must surely be tempted to throw him into the slammer.

Anyone who has half an idea about the justice system in Indonesia knows the statement below to be the obvious............

Fury over Bali teen's $200,000 tell-all TV deal

Indonesian legal experts warn the lucrative deal could go horribly wrong and jeopardise the boy's sentencing, with one expert labelling it "fragile and dangerous".

"The media and everyone should wait until the court makes a decision next Friday," the expert said.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/n...tell-all-tv-deal/story-fn30173u-1226186719850

 

[tollbridge]

Re: 14 yo boy arested in bali

My first post in over year...cynical, when this 'kid' rapes your daughter, don't you dare cry. He was high on drugs and didn't know what he was doing.

Frig this piece of crap kid, he knowingly bought drugs and thought he was above the law. Hope his tongue falls out as he is being raped by some 45 yr old chinese child molestor refuge.

Dear Gordon

You've flexed your right to freedom of speech - now let me do the same.

The above post is by far the most despicable thing I've read on this forum thus far. Rape? His tongue hanging out? Do yourself and the ASF community a favour by printing out what you've just written, take it to a therapist and ask him/her if that's how a normal person thinks. If on the odd chance you're not committed to a mental services institution, voluntarily take another 12 months off posting online!

You're sick buddy!

Alex.

 

[Tink]

Well we could see that coming with the TV deal

The media reports have gone unnoticed with this boy, I think people are sick of it (stupidity and drugs)

 

[Knobby22]

Well we could see that coming with the TV deal

The media reports have gone unnoticed with this boy, I think people are sick of it (stupidity and drugs)

I am really upset about it.
So it appears the reason he has been hiding his face so he can do a deal with Channel Nine for $250,000. He will appear on that pathetic show 60 Minutes and do other stuff for A Current Affair. Who says crime doesn't pay? The Indonesians are not happy about it. I hope he gets at least 5 years now. $50,000 a year.

Channel Nine sould not be allowed to get away with this. We will have other kids going for the money soon.