Gobbledygook: Reality, Dreaming or Rubbish?

[explod]

Ah well, probably my last post on this right wing forum. Have noticed a lot of the spirit has gone and the educational value is very little now. Anyone that thinks a bit outside the square is targetted.

In conclusion will post up a message I recieved tonight from a very good freind Gumby Learner who was finally barred from ASF for posting some slight swear words against an intolerant poster.

Gumby, an Australian by birth, teaches at a University in South Korea, is a qualified solicitor and Sociologist. His Sister is a Professor at Monash of some distinction. Their parents were not well off and in fact gave poor support to thier children. So people from the other side of the tracks can make it but on top of that because of their hardships in the beginning are far ahead intellectually than the conservative middle mob who comprise the current status quo.

Good luck with your sinking ship Joe and if I am lucky enough to win the current tipping competition you are to pass it on to the person who comes last this month.

The main part of his message as follows.

James

It's nothing to worry about mate. I'm sick of ASF. 80% of the stuff posted on that site is done so by one-eyed idealogues. I have joined Zero Hedge, while there are a few ratbags on it. The common theme is that the economic system is bankrupt and devoid of the rule of law.

I was turfed for using the word .... a number of times in one post, because another idiot that has recently joined the site ....... me off with some of his comments.

1) Garpal Gumnut and Julia are one and the same poster.
2) The Bull newsletter is full of **** and tries to take peoples money.
3) The mods will allow anyone to vilify or lay the boot into the little fella and will not pull up those who use it as a sounding board for their own bigotry.
4) The vast majority are cashed up old clowns who vote conservative, hate young people and think the reason most young people are unemployed is because they are lazy.
Of course when they were 40 -50 years younger there wasn't a de-regulated labor market, getting a professional job was easier and there was far less competition. These same people own multitudes of property negatively geared to the teeth and hate the younger generations for not being able to buy a house in excess of $600,000 or pay $600 a week rent.
Most people on that site give me the .....

.... them and their narrowmindness and .... that moderator tool Joe for ignoring it.

Cheers

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

1) Garpal Gumnut and Julia are one and the same poster.

That is enormously insulting to Julia and should be withdrawn.

gg

 

[Julia]

Ah well, probably my last post on this right wing forum. Have noticed a lot of the spirit has gone and the educational value is very little now. Anyone that thinks a bit outside the square is targetted.

In conclusion will post up a message I recieved tonight from a very good freind Gumby Learner who was finally barred from ASF for posting some slight swear words against an intolerant poster.

If that's the case, I'd offer the view that such swear words would represent the 'last straw' from ASF administration which gives everyone a very fair go and fair warning when they are overstepping what's reasonable.

Gumby could at times be interesting and offer some thoughtful insights. But these times were offset with some offtopic and very personal attacks.

Good luck with your sinking ship Joe and if I am lucky enough to win the current tipping competition you are to pass it on to the person who comes last this month.

Best wishes to you, explod. I've often disagreed strongly with your views, but have much respected your sincerity and humanity.

1) Garpal Gumnut and Julia are one and the same poster.

Just about fell off my chair when I read this.
The suggestion, however, flatters me.

 

[Joe Blow]

In conclusion will post up a message I recieved tonight from a very good freind Gumby Learner who was finally barred from ASF for posting some slight swear words against an intolerant poster.

Actually, this is incorrect.

GumbyLearner has been suspended twice. The first time it was due to accumulated infraction points incurred as a result of posting drunk. GumbyLearner would log onto ASF late at night and post rambling, incoherent, off topic posts that needed to be removed by myself or the moderators. Occasionally he would make outrageously insulting attacks on other ASF members with absolutely no provocation. This happened almost nightly for months. He was warned again and again but refused to modify his behaviour.

A couple of weeks ago he sent me an email asking to have his ASF membership reinstated. I reminded him of the reasons for his original suspension and told him that if he was to come back there was to be no more late night drunken posting. He agreed. I then lifted his ban and allowed him to return.

Literally within days, the drunken, rambling, off topic, obscenity laden posting began again. I issued a final warning which was ignored. He was then suspended once more, for the final time.

GumbyLearner had more chances than anyone who has ever been suspended from ASF. He was warned more times than I can remember and squandered the second chance that was offered to him. I believe in second chances because I believe that some people are capable of change and I offered that opportunity to GumbyLearner and it was thrown back in my face.

If doing my job makes me a "tool" then so be it.

 

[So_Cynical]

Ah well, probably my last post on this right wing forum. Have noticed a lot of the spirit has gone and the educational value is very little now. Anyone that thinks a bit outside the square is targetted.

Sad to see you go explod, but i do understand some of your frustrations with the ASF right, personally i can highly recommend the ignore function..about a year or so ago i used it on the worst 2 members of the ASF right and it saved the forum for me...turning of the bitter right wing noise was wonderful.

Also sad to see Gumby go i only ever got to see his good posts.

 

[Joe Blow]

I would also like to briefly address the topic of ASF members' political views.

Being right wing or left wing is not a punishable offense here at ASF. Nor is being dogmatic, narrow minded, sarcastic, smug or arrogant. Political opinions are not censored unless they are so hateful as to be offensive to all reasonable people. These sort of instances are few and far between.

Reacting to someone's political opinions with a string of obscenities, as GumbyLearner was guilty of, is not a reasonable or acceptable response under any circumstances.

I don't like suspending anyone, nor do I like to see ASF members leave, especially long term members. The moderators and I do our best to see that ASF continues to be a constructive, friendly place but political threads can be a bit rough and tumble at times and that is simply the nature of the beast. Things can get a little heated but when the line is crossed we do intervene.

IMO, the key to successfully participating in political threads is to keep the focus on the opinions of others rather than the individuals themselves. As soon as things turn personal, civil discourse tends to cease and insults and personal attacks take over. If you find someone's views objectionable, attack the opinions rather than the person posting them.

Also, as So_Cynical has indicated, judicial use of the forum software's "ignore" feature can filter out those you find particularly irritating.

 

[moXJO]

Ah well, probably my last post on this right wing forum. Have noticed a lot of the spirit has gone and the educational value is very little now.

Typical leftie fashion of "not everyone agrees with me and now I'm butthurt"
Guess what, those on the right have to listen to leftist dribble as well.
You should take political posts with a grain of salt. Getting so worked up over something as stupid as the current political environment is a big waste of time.
Will miss your ramblings xplod.

 

[Logique]

On a personal note, would definitely will miss you if you go Explod, and I never found Gumby insulting, although it sounds like some posts were heavily moderated/deleted.

'..Gumby...teaches at a University in South Korea, is a qualified solicitor and Sociologist..' - who knew, never suspected this.

I find Joe perfectly fair, and as for GG and Julia supposedly being one and the same, that belongs on the jokes thread.

 

[nulla nulla]

Actually, this is incorrect.

GumbyLearner has been suspended twice. The first time it was due to accumulated infraction points incurred as a result of posting drunk. GumbyLearner would log onto ASF late at night and post rambling, incoherent, off topic posts that needed to be removed by myself or the moderators. Occasionally he would make outrageously insulting attacks on other ASF members with absolutely no provocation. This happened almost nightly for months. He was warned again and again but refused to modify his behaviour.

A couple of weeks ago he sent me an email asking to have his ASF membership reinstated. I reminded him of the reasons for his original suspension and told him that if he was to come back there was to be no more late night drunken posting. He agreed. I then lifted his ban and allowed him to return.

Literally within days, the drunken, rambling, off topic, obscenity laden posting began again. I issued a final warning which was ignored. He was then suspended once more, for the final time.

GumbyLearner had more chances than anyone who has ever been suspended from ASF. He was warned more times than I can remember and squandered the second chance that was offered to him. I believe in second chances because I believe that some people are capable of change and I offered that opportunity to GumbyLearner and it was thrown back in my face.

If doing my job makes me a "tool" then so be it.

Hi Joe,

My bolds, does this mean you will extend "nunthewiser" an opportunity to return given that he is not the worst poster (less warnings and chances than extended to GumbyLearner) and maybe warrants a second chance?

regards nulla

 

[Joe Blow]

Hi Joe,

My bolds, does this mean you will extend "nunthewiser" an opportunity to return given that he is not the worst poster (less warnings and chances than extended to GumbyLearner) and maybe warrants a second chance?

regards nulla

Hi Nulla,

Nun started out okay early on but towards the end of his time at ASF he was trolling full time and it seemed his sole purpose here was to provoke others and stir the pot. As I'm sure you understand that sort of behaviour is unacceptable as it causes non-stop management problems for the mods and myself.

However, if Nun were to contact me and offer an apology for his behaviour (and for the torrent of abuse he hurled in my direction via email), and promise to be a more constructive member of ASF I would probably give him another chance.

I don't give second chances to everyone. They are only offered to previously long term members who continually pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable and got suspended as a result.

 

[Tink]

Yep, sad to see anyone leaving, you could just take a break and come back later, but its your choice.

Whatever you decide, all the best to you explod : )

 

[nulla nulla]

Ah well, probably my last post on this right wing forum. Have noticed a lot of the spirit has gone and the educational value is very little now. Anyone that thinks a bit outside the square is targetted.

Whilst I agree with your sentiment in respect of the rightwing element (So Cynical has one solution in using the "ignore" button, the other solution is to simply ignore them without the button) your sincerity and comments will be missed.

Who will speak up for Michelle Corby in your abscence? I was starting to think it was time to let her come home.

 

[nomore4s]

Ah well, probably my last post on this right wing forum. Have noticed a lot of the spirit has gone and the educational value is very little now. Anyone that thinks a bit outside the square is targetted.

In conclusion will post up a message I recieved tonight from a very good freind Gumby Learner who was finally barred from ASF for posting some slight swear words against an intolerant poster.

Gumby, an Australian by birth, teaches at a University in South Korea, is a qualified solicitor and Sociologist. His Sister is a Professor at Monash of some distinction. Their parents were not well off and in fact gave poor support to thier children. So people from the other side of the tracks can make it but on top of that because of their hardships in the beginning are far ahead intellectually than the conservative middle mob who comprise the current status quo.

Good luck with your sinking ship Joe and if I am lucky enough to win the current tipping competition you are to pass it on to the person who comes last this month.

The main part of his message as follows.

Explod, if that rant from Gumby doesn't send warning bells off I'm not sure what would. I find it somewhat ironic that he is whinging about "narrowmindedness" on these boards but yet he is unwilling to accept other peoples opinions as just that opinions, pot calling the kettle black perhaps?

I totally back up what Joe said, Gumby has had a lot of posts removed and plenty of chances but continually kept offending. You also have not seen the abuse laden email he sent to Joe after being banned which is something Joe doesn't deserve after giving him a second chance which Gumby blew by not sticking to the agreed terms of his return. Joe and all the mods put up with a fair bit of cr@p behind the scenes at times to keep this forum friendly for the majority mainly because of the minority like Gumby who continually push the boundaries and cannot accept other people are allowed to have opinions.

Maybe internet forums aren't for you if you cannot put up with wide ranging views from all different sectors of society. This forum would be very boring if we all had the same opinions on the wide ranging matters that are discussed on these boards.

 

[trainspotter]

Here's to post #93 and Joes responses.

 

[nulla nulla]

Here's to post #93 and Joes responses.

Who is the actor and what character was he playing?

My Guess:
Actor: Unknown
Character: Archduke Ferdinand (just before his assassination and the start of WW1).

 

[trainspotter]

Who is the actor and what character was he playing?

My Guess:
Actor: Unknown
Character: Archduke Ferdinand (just before his assassination and the start of WW1).

Orson Wells - Citizen Kane. Still applauding the mods response.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Orson Wells - Citizen Kane. Still applauding the mods response.

Agree mate.

gg

 

[explod]

wayneL

Such a hateful post.

So where did you learn to judge people without knowing a jot about them?

Listen Mr Plod, each person has their own battles. No I wouldn't call myself a battler, but have fought my way out some desperate situations by the sweat of my brow, as have probably most people.

No real comprehension of the hard world? Pfffffft give yourself an uppercut.

In the way we express ourselves we leave our stamp all over the place. You in my view enjoy a pretty good life and that is good.

My own is tormented from the past and this only increases I find as we face the end of life. I have done well from where I came from but some of those past chains have stopped me from going further.

My passion for people has drawn me to enquire into those on the bottem end and I can assure you all most have equal attributes but no hope of overcoming the bad start. A child who goes to Sunshine High has no hope of attaining the asperations of one from Geelong Grammer. That is the way of it of course but we would should at least try to somehow equalise the equation. And if that means greater taxes on the rich with increased funding to the more ordinary schools then that could be a way.

And in perception, I have had wide experience in commanding very large groups of staff working under very difficult situations. One soon learns to read all sides to achieve the role and very often that is from the paper work.

I have no hard feelings for you wayneL, but enjoy that hard banter and the hope that others may learn to see the other side. Not saying you dont' but I will attack the possibilities.

 

[explod]

jbocker

Hi Explod
Did you ever feel that he got to like you?

To some degree at the end. His own Father played a part in that and I also married the girl that he liked. Later divorced many years later because it was not the girl I liked. I held on to the marriage till the youngest was 18 years and had a job but none of my three children have had much to do with me since I departed in 1992. I could write a book on just that aspect but one has to move on. But in the end you cannot, hence as we were discussing, the blood pressure kicks in

 

[JTLP]

To some degree at the end. His own Father played a part in that and I also married the girl that he liked. Later divorced many years later because it was not the girl I liked. I held on to the marriage till the youngest was 18 years and had a job but none of my three children have had much to do with me since I departed in 1992. I could write a book on just that aspect but one has to move on. But in the end you cannot, hence as we were discussing, the blood pressure kicks in

Explod - you seem to have led quite an interesting life from your own accounts. This quote right here baffles the mind and I would love to know more (albeit it's rude to ask and invasion of privacy etc). Perhaps you should write a book!