14 year old boy arrested in Bali

[Gringotts Bank]

...for possession of marijuana.

Sting operation seems likely. Hopefully the family has money so that they can bribe whomever needs bribing in order to escape.

No way I'd consider traveling there, as beautiful as it is.
Walking down the street, some dude slips a small bag of pot in your backpack, unbeknown to you. He signals to his mates in the police and you're gone.

Maybe if Aussies traveling there were more respectful and less boozy, the indos wouldn't feel the need to be so ridiculously punitive and senseless. Crazy situation.

 

[nomore4s]

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Walking down the street, some dude slips a small bag of pot in your backpack, unbeknown to you. He signals to his mates in the police and you're gone.

That's not what happened in this situation and I can't recall anything like that happening to any of the people who have made the press over drug possession over there in the last few years. Also consider there's 1000's of Aussies that go over there every year.

Whether it was a sting or not is irrelevant, he shouldn't have been buying drugs over there. At 14yo he knew exactly what he was buying imo and is now suffering the consequences.

Are the consequences over the top? Yes they probably are but the consequences in Australia for most crimes are way under which is why the outrage from Aussies when one of our own is caught and punished overseas. I feel sorry for him & his parents but this is what happens sometimes when you do the wrong thing and it was easily avoidable if he had just said no.

From my experiences overseas and especially in Asia is if you follow the laws and respect the culture you really have nothing to worry about.

 

[McLovin]

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...for possession of marijuana.

Sting operation seems likely. Hopefully the family has money so that they can bribe whomever needs bribing in order to escape.

No way I'd consider traveling there, as beautiful as it is.
Walking down the street, some dude slips a small bag of pot in your backpack, unbeknown to you. He signals to his mates in the police and you're gone.

Maybe if Aussies traveling there were more respectful and less boozy, the indos wouldn't feel the need to be so ridiculously punitive and senseless. Crazy situation.

That's a bit unfair isn't it? I highly doubt the Balinese or Indonesians would jepordise their tourism industry so a few cops can plant drugs on unsuspecting minors. Now what can happen is you buy the drugs and the dealer tells the cops and the cops ask for a bribe or they arrest you, but that is usually a kept hush hush and sorted out very quickly. In this instance it seems like the kid was actually buying drugs and got busted.

I agree with nomore4s, if you respect the local laws you won't get into trouble.

 

[IFocus]

Its unlikely to end well........since we are reading about it in the press it will be pretty much impossible to pay off the usual suspects to get him out.

Another aspect is we are holding something like 50 to 70 Indonesian juveniles in adult prisons here a fact the Indo's are well aware of so cannot see any sympathy for the young feller coming from the Indonesian justice system.

He will likely do a jail term I think.

 

[Bill M]

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From my experiences overseas and especially in Asia is if you follow the laws and respect the culture you really have nothing to worry about.

Well said! I have spent half of my life living and travelling to many different countries in Asia. Never once have I ever had to encounter the local Police, but then again I don't carry, use or deal drugs. It is very simple, stick to the rules, don't do drugs, don't think you are some kind of untouchable speciality just because you are an Aussie and above all respect the locals and you will enjoy yourself immensely.

 

[JTLP]

I remember reading a story about an Australian being held captive somewhere in an African jail. He didn't make any noise about it and apparently got broken out via our SOGs or whatever they are called in a daring midnight chopper fly in guns around etc. Can anybody remember this? Link me to it?

 

[pixel]

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Well said! I have spent half of my life living and travelling to many different countries in Asia. Never once have I ever had to encounter the local Police, but then again I don't carry, use or deal drugs. It is very simple, stick to the rules, don't do drugs, don't think you are some kind of untouchable speciality just because you are an Aussie and above all respect the locals and you will enjoy yourself immensely.

+ 1

btw: where were the parents when he bought the stuff?

 

[LostMyShirt]

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That's not what happened in this situation and I can't recall anything like that happening to any of the people who have made the press over drug possession over there in the last few years. Also consider there's 1000's of Aussies that go over there every year.

Whether it was a sting or not is irrelevant, he shouldn't have been buying drugs over there. At 14yo he knew exactly what he was buying imo and is now suffering the consequences.

Are the consequences over the top? Yes they probably are but the consequences in Australia for most crimes are way under which is why the outrage from Aussies when one of our own is caught and punished overseas. I feel sorry for him & his parents but this is what happens sometimes when you do the wrong thing and it was easily avoidable if he had just said no.

From my experiences overseas and especially in Asia is if you follow the laws and respect the culture you really have nothing to worry about.

This isn't a murder - this is a simple case of the purchasing of Cannabis. This was not a hard drug - it is just Cannabis. Anything under an ounce should not be more than perhaps a warning, small fine and a kick in the ass by his parents.

This is just another example of hysteria over drugs and had he bought Herion or anything of the like I would understand the need for arrest; but Cannabis?

 

[kimcasablancas]

Crazy situation indeed. Hopefully he gets out soon. Prison in Bali can't be too pleasant.

 

[Julia]

Its unlikely to end well........since we are reading about it in the press it will be pretty much impossible to pay off the usual suspects to get him out.

Another aspect is we are holding something like 50 to 70 Indonesian juveniles in adult prisons here a fact the Indo's are well aware of so cannot see any sympathy for the young feller coming from the Indonesian justice system.

He will likely do a jail term I think.

I remember reading a story about an Australian being held captive somewhere in an African jail. He didn't make any noise about it and apparently got broken out via our SOGs or whatever they are called in a daring midnight chopper fly in guns around etc. Can anybody remember this? Link me to it?

IF and JTLP: such an important point. The ABC's Indonesian correspondent today, in guarded terms, made clear that Kevin Rudd's publicity seeking song and dance act about this will have considerably diminished the kid's chances of a quiet settlement.

+ 1

btw: where were the parents when he bought the stuff?

Exactly. The kid has stated that he bought the drug and then went off to have a massage, apparently on his own. What on earth were his parents thinking???

This isn't a murder - this is a simple case of the purchasing of Cannabis. This was not a hard drug - it is just Cannabis. Anything under an ounce should not be more than perhaps a warning, small fine and a kick in the ass by his parents.

This is just another example of hysteria over drugs and had he bought Herion or anything of the like I would understand the need for arrest; but Cannabis?

That's absolutely irrelevant. The laws applying to drugs in any part of Indonesia are absolutely well known. He has bought the stuff in their country and is therefore subject to their laws. The Indonesian government has zero interest in how anyone from any other country views their drug laws. viz the Bali Nine and Schapelle Corby.

 

[So_Cynical]

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Whether it was a sting or not is irrelevant, he shouldn't have been buying drugs over there. At 14yo he knew exactly what he was buying imo and is now suffering the consequences.
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No 14 yr old knows what they are doing...the average 14 yr old is a total tool.

 

[gordon2007]

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No 14 yr old knows what they are doing...the average 14 yr old is a total tool.

My first post in over year...cynical, when this 'kid' rapes your daughter, don't you dare cry. He was high on drugs and didn't know what he was doing.

Frig this piece of crap kid, he knowingly bought drugs and thought he was above the law. Hope his tongue falls out as he is being raped by some 45 yr old chinese child molestor refuge.

 

[So_Cynical]

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My first post in over year...cynical, when this 'kid' rapes your daughter, don't you dare cry. He was high on drugs and didn't know what he was doing.

Frig this piece of crap kid, he knowingly bought drugs and thought he was above the law. Hope his tongue falls out as he is being raped by some 45 yr old chinese child molestor refuge.

You waited a year to contribute that!

Pot turning the average 14 yr old boy into a sex crazed rapist lol

Hes a dumb kid and now hes a dumb kid in jail for an offense that not even an actual offense in the developed world.

 

[LostMyShirt]

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You waited a year to contribute that!

Pot turning the average 14 yr old boy into a sex crazed rapist lol

Hes a dumb kid and now hes a dumb kid in jail for an offense that not even an actual offense in the developed world.

Exactly - thank you.

Julia - It is extremely relevant to the Parents and Australian people that what we would consider a misdemeanor has landed a 14 year old is possibely one of the worst places on Earth. I dare say that if that was anyones close friend or blood relative - they wouldn't put an unjust law over thier loved ones.

It is that kind of cold emotionless objectivity that I just can't stand in people today.

 

[nomore4s]

This isn't a murder - this is a simple case of the purchasing of Cannabis. This was not a hard drug - it is just Cannabis. Anything under an ounce should not be more than perhaps a warning, small fine and a kick in the ass by his parents.

This is just another example of hysteria over drugs and had he bought Herion or anything of the like I would understand the need for arrest; but Cannabis?

You are applying Australian standards, problem is he broke Indonesian laws in Indonesia and therefore gets prosecuted under those laws. We also don't know how this will play out yet, they may just end up letting him go without any jail time.

No 14 yr old knows what they are doing...the average 14 yr old is a total tool.

Hahaha, no arguments there from me, all I said was he knew what he was buying not what he was doing.

Exactly - thank you.

Julia - It is extremely relevant to the Parents and Australian people that what we would consider a misdemeanor has landed a 14 year old is possibely one of the worst places on Earth. I dare say that if that was anyones close friend or blood relative - they wouldn't put an unjust law over thier loved ones.

It is that kind of cold emotionless objectivity that I just can't stand in people today.

Again, just because its considered a misdemeanor here doesn't mean jack over there. He broke their laws in their country so now he has to suffer the consequences under their laws.

If he was a close friend or relative I would be doing everything in my power to get him home, but the fact is he did break their laws and was caught. Just because we don't agree with their laws and punishments that doesn't mean we can impose our standards and expect them to be used just because he is an Australian.

He did the wrong thing and got caught, unfortunately for him the consequences of that are a lot worse over there then they would have been if he was caught over here. I feel sorry for him no doubt but sometimes in life a stupid mistake costs you a lot and he is now finding this out.

 

[todster]

he will be better off in Indon if the redneck posts here are any indication.
just a kid

 

[todster]

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No 14 yr old knows what they are doing...the average 14 yr old is a total tool.

all 14 year olds are tools

 

[todster]

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My first post in over year...cynical, when this 'kid' rapes your daughter, don't you dare cry. He was high on drugs and didn't know what he was doing.

Frig this piece of crap kid, he knowingly bought drugs and thought he was above the law. Hope his tongue falls out as he is being raped by some 45 yr old chinese child molestor refuge.

cant believe its been a year lol
missed your balanced informed posts gordy
what about a public stoning

 

[McLovin]

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+ 1

btw: where were the parents when he bought the stuff?

When you were 14 did your parents know where you were? He's an idiot who made a huge mistake, let's not go down the blame the parents route.

 

[LostMyShirt]

You are applying Australian standards, problem is he broke Indonesian laws in Indonesia and therefore gets prosecuted under those laws. We also don't know how this will play out yet, they may just end up letting him go without any jail time.



Hahaha, no arguments there from me, all I said was he knew what he was buying not what he was doing.



Again, just because its considered a misdemeanor here doesn't mean jack over there. He broke their laws in their country so now he has to suffer the consequences under their laws.

If he was a close friend or relative I would be doing everything in my power to get him home, but the fact is he did break their laws and was caught. Just because we don't agree with their laws and punishments that doesn't mean we can impose our standards and expect them to be used just because he is an Australian.

He did the wrong thing and got caught, unfortunately for him the consequences of that are a lot worse over there then they would have been if he was caught over here. I feel sorry for him no doubt but sometimes in life a stupid mistake costs you a lot and he is now finding this out.

I am not talking about the validity of international laws; merely the lack of compassion for a 14 year old by so many people who would not like to be in this persons shoes. He is 14, made a subject of interest over something that is absolutely insignificant - and in turn he is now in the running to a place where the human rights is unheard of. The fact that they refuse to extradite is an insult.

What irks me the most though, is how so many attempt to pass it off as a life lesson. This is not one of those times where the display of diplomacy amongst opinion is considerd honourable. The kids 14 he wanted to smoke a joint, and you want the potantial exposure to a hell to maintain your diplomatic manner? If it were you going to hell for a $20 bag, you would not be pleased - no sir.