Oslo Bombed, Children Massacred

[Logique]

A continuing bad omen for industrialisation and capitalism. We have buldozed the trees...

And burnt coal presumably. Of course there were never massacres in the pre-industrial age.

 

[tech/a]

Hey GG, did you manage to find out the perpetrator's ideology? I haven't but am quite happy to join the mob and bash some muslims

**of course this is a dreadful event, which is all to commonplace these days**

This sort of comment has no place on ANY forum
I urge Joe to remove it.

 

[Joe Blow]

This sort of comment has no place on ANY forum
I urge Joe to remove it.

I read the quoted remark as being sarcasm, hence the use of the smilie. I will wait for UBIQUITOUS to confirm, but I think the point he was trying to make was that it was his view that the thread was started with anti-muslim motives based on the assumption that the perpetrator would be a muslim.

As it turned out, that was not to be the case.

 

[UBIQUITOUS]

I read the quoted remark as being sarcasm, hence the use of the smilie. I will wait for UBIQUITOUS to confirm, but I think the point he was trying to make was that it was his view that the thread was started with anti-muslim motives based on the assumption that the perpetrator would be a muslim.

As it turned out, that was not to be the case.

Quiet correct Joe. Thanks

 

[trainspotter]

This sort of comment has no place on ANY forum
I urge Joe to remove it.

I think somehting got lost in the translation with UBI's post.

People aren't offended because they saw the sarcastic smilie at the end of my comment and knew what I was getting at. To cut a long story short, I was having a dig at those on various news-sites were putting their anti-muslim hats on in full expectation that this massacre was carried out by muslims.

GG, points out that this was done by a Christian fundamentalist. Are we now going to have Anti-Christian fundamentalism articles in the newspapers? I don't think so. When a Christian does it, he's a madman. If a muslim does it, then...well we know the story.

This is his explanation. When the bombing first started the media whipped themselves into a frenzy about "terrorists" and "muslims" before they knew who the real perpetrator of the massacre is/was. I belive it was an attempt at sarcasm which did not quite hit the mark IMO.

I wonder if they (the newspapers and journos) will offer a retraction now that this tragedy has been found out to be performed by a Right Wing, Christian, Norwegian?

I believe this may be a false flag attack?

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/07/jihadi-terror-attack-in-norway/

Link will provide some of the backup info I am espousing. CNN media was the first to jump and C.N.A. was full of disinformation.

A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism.

 

[tech/a]

Ok fair enough

 

[explod]

I'll get back to our off topic bit later Waynel.

But the first grab headline is what unfortunately sticks on the jihad slant. On all sides it is the extreme nutters who spoil the party and give rise in my view to the guise in which the war machines in all thier facits can be legitimised.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I read the quoted remark as being sarcasm, hence the use of the smilie. I will wait for UBIQUITOUS to confirm, but I think the point he was trying to make was that it was his view that the thread was started with anti-muslim motives based on the assumption that the perpetrator would be a muslim.

As it turned out, that was not to be the case.

I would like to make it clear that this thread was not started with an anti-Muslim slant.

UBIQUITOUS is entitled to his comment, and I read it as he intended.

The thread was started, with the intent of displaying that innocent children and adults, can have their lives taken or be horribly maimed, by ideologues.

I do not like Christian fundamentalists, nor Muslim fundamentalists, nor anyone who would commit such a crime. In fact I find fundamentalists as a group abhorrent and well named. Fundament comes from the Latin for ****hole.

The thread was not started as an anti-Muslim thread by the way, however it was no surprise to me that a Religious nut was behind it all.

The matter of mentioning Muslims so much in this reply is a necessary in the reply. My apologies to any of Islam who are offended, I'm not having a go at you or your religion.

gg

 

[Knobby22]

I
The thread was not started as an anti-Muslim thread by the way, however it was no surprise to me that a Religious nut was behind it all.

gg

He was in a right wing Nazi style group.

He said he will state his motives once he goes to court but I reckon it will be about racial purity not religion.

 

[Calliope]

He was in a right wing Nazi style group.

He said he will state his motives once he goes to court but I reckon it will be about racial purity not religion.

Problems have been brewing for some time about immigration.

And earlier this year a report by the Norwegian Police Security Service noted an “increase in the activity of far-right extremist circles” and predicted this would continue.
It also warned that “a higher degree of activism in groups hostile to Islam may lead to an increased use of violence”, although it concluded that Islamist extremists were the greater threat.
Kari Helene Partapuoli, director of the non-governmental Norwegian Centre against Racism, said yesterday that fringe groups had hardened their rhetoric about Islam and immigration, which has turned Oslo into Europe’s fastest growing city.
The percentage of immigrants in the population has grown from 2 per cent in 1970 to 11 per cent. The nation’s 163,000 Muslims make up 3.4 per cent of the population, and analysts say that Islam has been a particular flashpoint.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...vik-was-active-member-of-far-right-party.html

 

[moXJO]

Have not read it myself (don't want to download a virus) but it seems this guy attempted to start a greater movement.

Took a comment that summarized '2083 A European Declaration of Independence'

book
http://www.wupload.com/file/65239460...ependence.pdf#

A 1500 page diary, essay, textbook, and ... declaration was issued out from the Norweigen terrorist Anders Behring Breivik. His stance on this publication was simple. Eradicate the islamic takeover manisfesto by breaking down its supporters. He states that Multiculturalists/cultural Marxists are responsible for continueing the spread of Islam throughout Europe. He views himself, and others who share his belief as Justiciar Knights: modern day Knights Templar (the same discussed in Dan Brown's novels). Things to know
-Plan took 9 years
-Complete secrecy was key, no finger prints nothing illegal could be tracked. Seperated arms manufacturing into parts so that it would be hard to link them all together back to him
-Made money from farming beets, saved money by living with mom
-Nobody knew of his greater antics
-Likes video games and can/will lie for his greater purpose (ends justify the means). Often he told them that he was a recluse because of the game "world of warcraft" and if he traveled it was to "meet guild members or a females he met online"


One purpose of the book is to educate the lay person on how to become a Modern day Knights Templar. In this content opener and following chapter
Quote:
Primary military objectives of the PCCTS, Knights Templar:
1. Shock attacks (assassinations included)
2. Sabotage attacks
p965
He begins to list possible attack sites and previously attacked sites. He gives the background info on each attack or catastrophe and gives the estimated economical damage inflicted.
But he does not simply list good targets to be attacked. The entire book contains a step by step manual, an encyclopedia, and real life scenario critical review on how to be the most effecient "terrorist". The term terrorist should be applied loosely here, as his objectives of terror are not the end result, but simply as a means to undermine Islam supporters. He clearly states why simply attacking muslim people and/or organizations will not achieve his goals. To undermine a regime, you need to turn the entire world against it, you cannot victimize the muslims or else the opposite affect will occur. Fourth Generation warfare, as he defines is evolution of warfare beyond bayonets + formation(1st gen), tactics and nonlinear movement, indirect firepower (machine guns, artillery),(2nd), infiltration + multipronged tactical harass before timing a large push(3rd). "Behind the mask lies and idea, and ideas are bulletproof" is a quote from the movie V for Vendetta and describes fourth generation warfare. He cites MLK's and Ghandi's civil rights movements and fourth generation. The state is seen as a bully and loses support.

To support anyone who is interested in participating in his 4th generation ideal movement, he gives a compendium of all his knowledge so his followers can follow his footsteps and be an equal Knights Templar (Judiciary Knight) and continue the 4th generation war against multiculturalism. The content in his book is amazing, but I will not cite any because there is simply way too much. Particularly interesting bits are
-His armor and weapon analysis. Carefully planning your equipment and warns the danger of fatigue from overpacking unneccesary items scuh as water
-His bodybuilding model, which emphasizes the use of ECA stacks (Ephedrin, a stimulant + caffein + aspirin) concotion that can increase physical and mental limits by "100%". Also shows insightful knowledge on steroid choice and procedure. (6 month cycling program)
-Tactical plans for realistic street firefights. What to do when flanked. Why to keep moving. The fact that he cannot be disabled before a SWAT sniper squad shows up. (takes 30 min) stating that he will be "stronger, smarter, and better armed than system defenders (normal swat/cops) and will break flanks with brute force.
-Recipes and analysis of weapons of mass destruction, ranging from anthrax to smuggling WMDs.
-His vast knowledge of crime organizations throughout Europe and their assets. Describing in detail who they are and what ethnicitys they represent. What resources they can give you and whether or not you should trust them.


The last section is his detailed diary explaining how he got all his objectives done. He seems to have seven close friends who are either playboys or successful business men. He shows his raunchy side. Anders gets the attention from females because of his physical training program and does not inhibit his primal side. He had a 3some in the prague because he knew that the following arms deal may get him killed. He does not enjoy manipulating girls for one night stands and unfortunately cannot get a relationship due to his secret lifestyle.


He classifies himself as the Martyr sacrificing for the greater good. In his battle plan he cites up to 7 stages of his operation, from gaining capital to public trial. He views his capture not as the end to his assault on multiculturalism but simply a way to stand in a large audience to really prove his ideas to the world, if they favor his opinions. Without public opinion we will simply view his mission as his own facade.

 

[moXJO]

He was in a right wing Nazi style group.

No they kicked him out because he didn't exactly support their mantra; I think he was looking to convert them. He thought Hitler was a traitor and supports the Zionists over Palestine
I ended up downloading the book and skimmed through it.
He first targets the Marxist creep into western society. It accuses Political Correctness as been Cultural Marxism, along with Feminist movement, university students from the sixties who then became ingrained in the institutions. Also the sexual revolution of degrading morals and weakening society all apparently devised from the Frankfurt school. Progresses to Islam vs Christianity through the ages (about as far as I read). And ends with his diary and how he prepared. Each section is incredibly detailed

His issues seem to be:
Multiculturalism (big bug up his ass about this)
Marxism is overtaking western society

Islam

Fist two on the list were the main ones leading into the third
He seems to think by doing what he did, it will open the door on the issue.

The worst thing is Norway seems to have a maximum jail term of 21 years

 

[Calliope]

The worst thing is Norway seems to have a maximum jail term of 21 years

Norway has probably the world's softest prison system.

An inmate convicted of murder sunbathes outside the wooden cottage where he lives at Bastoy Prison, Norway's only island prison

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...rison-experiment--catch-UK.html#ixzz1T4KyZgJ4

 

[Knobby22]

No they kicked him out because he didn't exactly support their mantra; I think he was looking to convert them.
His issues seem to be:
Multiculturalism (big bug up his ass about this)
Marxism is overtaking western society

Islam

Fist two on the list were the main ones leading into the third
He seems to think by doing what he did, it will open the door on the issue.

The worst thing is Norway seems to have a maximum jail term of 21 years

Great research moJO. Interesting.

 

[InvisbleInvestor]

All info thus far points to a Christian fundamentalist.

gg

But the fundamentals of Christianity are entirely non-violent. A Christian fundamentalist who is violent any way is a contradiction.

You can't call this guy a fundamental Christian. I think the media has done their job well in tricking most people with this terrible use of words. Fundamental Christian...

 

[Calliope]

He loves uniforms and guns.

 

[IFocus]

As I recall, your comrades, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, et al were many times more murderous... and in a systemized way, not just a lone nutter.

Oh god are you for real they were murdering totalitarian governments using a label if not then I guess you goose step your way around with a little mustache with fond memory's.

As I also recall, it is the social engineering from the left that is responsible for the breakdown of family and tradition

Yes selective recall...................

You are so far off base here Plod have a further think about these things and report back once reality has returned to your world.

The joker was a right wing nutter it remains to see if he became more unhinged by the shrill that comes from the claims people like you are so fond on making.

 

[wayneL]

Oh god are you for real they were murdering totalitarian governments using a label

Oh Lord please

These were communist regimes, yes?

if not then I guess you goose step your way around with a little mustache with fond memory's.

1/ I am not a National Socialist
2/ Neither do I embrace extreme right wing ideology

Yes selective recall...................

Explain which classically liberal administrations are responsible for social engineering failures.

The joker was a right wing nutter it remains to see if he became more unhinged by the shrill that comes from the claims people like you are so fond on making.

Which claims would those be IF?

 

[disarray]

he needed to put more crap on his gun

 

[bandicoot76]

whats the only thing more abhorrent than mass murder? the mass murder of children thats what! a totally disgusting & sickening act

how could a person intelligent enough to plan this atrocity be stupid enough to believe that it would produce public support for his agenda?

the feelings of revulsion, disgust and outrage in the community after such an atrocity (& this would be the reaction of any sane person!) would be counterproductive to his goal of gaining public support.

it doesnt make sense, unless it is a reverse psycology or false flag operation... and even if this be true who benefits?

i think everyone, no matter their political beliefs, would agree that the politics should be removed from the situation and this psycho should be tried for what he is... nothing more than a disgusting mass-murderer and child killer!