Oslo Bombed, Children Massacred

[Garpal Gumnut]

This is a dreadful thing for anyone to do. The death penalty for the guilty, and the banishment of their ideology, is the only appropriate response.

gg

 

[UBIQUITOUS]

This is a dreadful thing for anyone to do. The death penalty for the guilty, and the banishment of their ideology, is the only appropriate response.

gg

Hey GG, did you manage to find out the perpetrator's ideology? I haven't but am quite happy to join the mob and bash some muslims

**of course this is a dreadful event, which is all to commonplace these days**

 

[Julia]

Hey GG, did you manage to find out the perpetrator's ideology? I haven't but am quite happy to join the mob and bash some muslims

**of course this is a dreadful event, which is all to commonplace these days**

A native Norwegian.

 

[trainspotter]

A suspect was arrested. Though police did not release his name, Norwegian national broadcaster NRK identified him as 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik and said police searched his Oslo apartment overnight. NRK and other Norwegian media posted pictures of the blond, blue-eyed Norwegian.

A police official said the suspect appears to have acted alone in both attacks, and that "it seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.

"It seems it's not Islamic-terror related," the official said. This seems like a madman's work."

http://news.yahoo.com/police-oslo-bomb-camp-shootings-domestic-terror-232522389.html

Unfreakinbelievable.

 

[DB008]

87 and counting.

It's been on ABC24 non-stop.

 

[Sean K]

Why are governments so keen to use the 'terror' word?

Was Martin Bryant a 'terrorist'?

People are still trying to justify their actions, that's why.

Obviously this guy is very sick no matter what. A children's camp?

 

[Knobby22]

Obviously this guy is very sick no matter what. A children's camp?

It was a Labour party organised camp. He has something against the country's Labour party.

 

[Calliope]

The alleged shooter.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259989

Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old suspect in Friday's attacks in Norway, held right-wing views, say police.

Police chief Sveinung Sponheim said his internet postings "suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views"

All info thus far points to a Christian fundamentalist.

gg

 

[sails]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259989



All info thus far points to a Christian fundamentalist.

gg

Obviously a very sick and evil person. Sadly, these sorts often like to align themselves with good and decent people as I guess it gives these sick criminals some sort of cover.

How anyone can call themselves human and deliberately kill and maim anyone, let alone children, is totally beyond my comprehension. This man should be locked up for life as he is so depraved that he would almost certainly offend again, imo.

How terribly sad for the families.

 

[explod]

A continuing bad omen for industrialisation and capitalism.

We have buldozed the trees, broken up the tribes and not provided a replacement for mankind to maintain his family and traditions.

Right, Left, Centre, Green and communist, we all detest each other.

I feel in this case there will be more than the one arrested. The amount of explosives required and the ammo of the asassin in a country usually passive.

 

[skc]

Hey GG, did you manage to find out the perpetrator's ideology? I haven't but am quite happy to join the mob and bash some muslims

**of course this is a dreadful event, which is all to commonplace these days**

I don't know whether people should be more offended that you jumped to the conclusion of muslims, or that you use the phrase "quite happy" in such an event.

 

[UBIQUITOUS]

I don't know whether people should be more offended that you jumped to the conclusion of muslims, or that you use the phrase "quite happy" in such an event.

People aren't offended because they saw the sarcastic smilie at the end of my comment and knew what I was getting at. To cut a long story short, I was having a dig at those on various news-sites were putting their anti-muslim hats on in full expectation that this massacre was carried out by muslims.

GG, points out that this was done by a Christian fundamentalist. Are we now going to have Anti-Christian fundamentalism articles in the newspapers? I don't think so. When a Christian does it, he's a madman. If a muslim does it, then...well we know the story.

(Note - I'm not muslim and would not like to be - just like many other religions)

 

[bellenuit]

Are we now going to have Anti-Christian fundamentalism articles in the newspapers? I don't think so.

I think there are quite a few newspapers that express just as much outrage about fundamental Christian atrocities (bombing abortion clinics etc.) as they do about islamic extremist atrocities. It so happens that there are a lot more of the latter and more globally widespread.

 

[Julia]

The alleged shooter.

Looks incredibly like Julian Assange.

 

[wayneL]

A continuing bad omen for industrialisation and capitalism.

As I recall, your comrades, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, et al were many times more murderous... and in a systemized way, not just a lone nutter.

We have buldozed the trees, broken up the tribes and not provided a replacement for mankind to maintain his family and traditions.

As I also recall, it is the social engineering from the left that is responsible for the breakdown of family and tradition

You are so far off base here Plod have a further think about these things and report back once reality has returned to your world.

 

[moXJO]

Seems loons making death threats isn't new

Krekar, who came to Norway as a refugee and later was deemed a threat to national security, is now under indictment for making threats against the head of Norway’s Conservative Party, Erna Solberg. State prosecutors confirmed the long-expected indictment to TV2 on Tuesday.


He had tangled with Solberg when she was a government minister before the current left-center coalition government took over. Even though she no longer has any authority in immigration matters, Krekar said at last year’s press conference that “if a leader like Erna Solberg sends me out, and I die, she will suffer the same fate.” He clarified later that “If I die, those who are the reason for that will suffer the same fate.”
Krekar went on to say that he had no assassination plan himself but his “followers” would likely carry one out.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/12/krekar-indicted-for-making-threats/

news in english
http://www.newsinenglish.no/tag/politics/


Seems the immigration debate had began to simmer there as well judging from comments

I understand where Norwegians are comming from, prior to mass immigration Norway was a relatively crime free society, now it's not, some parts of Oslo are worse than the worst parts of London, they are becoming ghettos where Norwegians aren't welcome, another stat is that aggrivated rape in Norway has increased massively over the past few years, apparently rape in Oslo is 6 times higher per capita than in New York, the perpertrators are mainly muslim males, the victiums mostly Norwegian teenagers and young women. Immigration and intergration of certain ethic and religious peoples has failed in Europe and it's now failing in Norway. Quite naturally the locals are annoyed, they see there way of life changing for the worse, and that leads to resentment of immigrants and racism.

You can't force Norwegians and Europeans to continually take in immigrants and refugees from other counteries and regions and not expect problem, people are finally saying enough is enough, hence the rise of right wing nationalist parties in Sweden, the Netherlands and other countries in Europe.

It's not actually the Socialist Left (SV) party that has cracked down on immigration, Rob, but the Labour party (Ap). SV is in a coalition government with Ap but they have been vocal in disagreeing with Ap on a number of immigration issues in the past year. Moreover, SV has a long track record on being immigration friendly.

And while Ap has indeed cracked down on immigration, esp cutting back on asylum seekers which grew to an all-time high in recent years, they are not anti-immigration philosophically and they show no racist tendencies. Above all, they don't try to win votes by playing into people's fears the way that FrP does, e.g. the so-called "snikislamifisering".

But... many of Fp's followers are in fact defectors from Ap - older ppl who have a fear of the country being taken over by immigrants. Realizing this, Ap decided to take a tougher stance to show that they too can be tough on immigration, and by so doing hoping they will win some of these trad Ap voters back.

But as I say, they are not fundamentally an anti-immigrant party and they know that Norway needs to bring in young immigrants. But they're not as "soft" as SV, Venstre and KrF, all of whom are very pro-immigration.

http://forum.newsinenglish.no/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=172&start=20

Terrible incident no matter what set it off. To kill so many children like that in such a way.

 

[Tink]

Terrible incident no matter what set it off. To kill so many children like that in such a way.

Yep very sad to read, especially when it involves children who are so innocent of political agendas

 

[explod]

As I recall, your comrades, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, et al were many times more murderous... and in a systemized way, not just a lone nutter.



As I also recall, it is the social engineering from the left that is responsible for the breakdown of family and tradition

You are so far off base here Plod have a further think about these things and report back once reality has returned to your world.

Rubbish waynel, you know that I am for freedom and the three E's Edcuation, Education and Education. And therein lies the real solution. Just one example; well educated women will raise better children and less of them. And for example, as Muslim children assimilate into the Australian way of life they will become as Australians in all facits. As with the Greeks, Italians, Vietnamese et al., see the latter are into playing Aussie rules now.

It is easy, as I think on the left, to say I am for those who corrupted the socialist ideal. Stalin et al were totalitarianist and Hitler for example rose from the people but was in fact on the very far right.

Anyway it is clear that this nut in Norway was a watcher of violent movies, a product of Darth Vader and all the other rubbish that supports things like the war on terror and the very well paying for some, war machine of the great ole us-of-a.

And a roll eyes to you too pal and do try to be bit more usefull around the place.

I hurt my neck a couple of days back and would to write a lot more on the subject if I could. Have a good weekend.

 

[wayneL]

So seeing how you feel there is a disconnect from socialism and said despots, how does this bode ill for capitalism and industrialization?

Haven't you hoist yourself by your own petard?