It's time

[dutchie]

For the sake of Australia Julia, please go!

 

[wayneL]

Re: Its time

For the sake of Australia Julia, please go!

Is the inverse historical implication intentional?

Either way, very apt.

 

[dutchie]

Re: Its time

Is the inverse historical implication intentional?

Either way, very apt.

Yes it is.

 

[trainspotter]

To vote the Labor Party out of office.

 

[nioka]

It's also time to worry if Abbott is a decent replacement. He really is a hatchet man and not a leader that will steer the country in the direction that I think we need to take. Doing the same hatchet job on Gillard that he did on Pauline Hanson. Remember it was Abbott behind the scheme that turned Hanson into Australia's first political prisoner.

 

[wayneL]

It's also time to worry if Abbott is a decent replacement. He really is a hatchet man and not a leader that will steer the country in the direction that I think we need to take. Doing the same hatchet job on Gillard that he did on Pauline Hanson. Remember it was Abbott behind the scheme that turned Hanson into Australia's first political prisoner.

As I've said once before on this forum, Abbott is the leader for the time.

Do I think he is the ideal potential PM? No.

But I think he is the ideal counterbalance to the disastrous situation Australia finds itself in. I'm sure I would dislike him as PM, I disliked him when Johnny Rotten was PM, but for right now - Abbott for PM.

 

[trainspotter]

It's also time to worry if Abbott is a decent replacement. He really is a hatchet man and not a leader that will steer the country in the direction that I think we need to take. Doing the same hatchet job on Gillard that he did on Pauline Hanson. Remember it was Abbott behind the scheme that turned Hanson into Australia's first political prisoner.

And what direction would that be nioka?

The hatchet job was by Labor. The Green who won the seat says so.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/55402.html

I’m currently locked in a ‘neck-and-redneck’ battle with Pauline Hanson to win the final seat for the Greens in the NSW Legislative Council. At the moment I’m in front, but Hanson is catching up on below-the-line votes.

Labor are keen to distract the public from their incredible electoral demise and so they and sections of the media are trying to blame the Greens for Hanson’s near success.

Labor machine men Luke Foley and Anthony Albanese have been peddling the idea that the Greens decision not to recommend a preference to Labor in the Upper House has somehow helped Pauline Hanson. This is absolute garbage.

Labor performed so poorly that their candidate for the final seat, Andrew Ferguson, is now behind both Family First and the Fishing Party. Labor cannot beat Hanson, only the Greens can. Ironically, it is Labor’s preferences that will likely decide whether Pauline Hanson or the Greens win the final seat in the upper house.

 

[nioka]

And what direction would that be nioka?

The hatchet job was by Labor. The Green who won the seat says so.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/55402.html

I'm going back a little further than the last election. I'm going back to the original One Nation days. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

 

[trainspotter]

I'm going back a little further than the last election. I'm going back to the original One Nation days. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

Thanks for the clarification on that one nioka.

Pauloine Hanson "I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40 per cent of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate. Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in who comes into my country." Maiden speech parliament 10 September 1996.

John Howard " It is also about having an uncompromising view about the fundamental right of this country to protect its borders, it’s about this nation saying to the world we are a generous open hearted people taking more refugees on a per capita basis than any nation except Canada, we have a proud record of welcoming people from 140 different nations. But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come. " Election speech, 28 October 2001

Spot the difference.

 

[dutchie]

If someone in the ALP does not listen to the Australian public soon then the Greens will certainly replace them as the second major political party in the coming years/elections.

They are now in survival mode only and its up to them how decimated they allow themselves to become.

They will be better off biting the bullet now and slowly rebuilding than prolonging this farce.

 

[matty77]

If someone in the ALP does not listen to the Australian public soon then the Greens will certainly replace them as the second major political party in the coming years/elections.

They are now in survival mode only and its up to them how decimated they allow themselves to become.

They will be better off biting the bullet now and slowly rebuilding than prolonging this farce.

God help us if the Greens replace Labor, then we will be well and truly up **** creek without a paddle. At least at the moment we have paddles, but they do seem to be falling apart pretty quickly.

 

[moXJO]

If someone in the ALP does not listen to the Australian public soon then the Greens will certainly replace them as the second major political party in the coming years/elections.

They are now in survival mode only and its up to them how decimated they allow themselves to become.

They will be better off biting the bullet now and slowly rebuilding than prolonging this farce.

You would think they would get a clue after the state disasters. They need to change tact pretty quickly or we will have just one party in this country.

 

[Knobby22]

Its not time for the Libs.
They need to listen to Peter Reith and rebuild their policies.

Do that well and they would have my vote.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...uild-policies-reith-urges-20110718-1hkkt.html

 

[Julia]

Peter Reith makes sense. It's a pity Tony Abbott let him down so badly over the party President vote issue. It's unbelievable that he would have specifically encouraged Mr Reith to stand and then made such a public stand of showing Mr Stockdale that he'd received his vote!

Obviously as a result Mr Reith has been humiliated and will have an ongoing score to settle with Mr Abbott.

It's this sort of erratic behaviour from Mr Abbott that is cause for concern.
John Howard would never have done anything remotely similar.

 

[bandicoot76]

i say we should invite ron paul to australia to start up a decent libertarian party! bob katter can be his offsider!

see if a dose of austrian economics can turn this ship around!

 

[wayneL]

i say we should invite ron paul to australia to start up a decent libertarian party!

I would personally love this, but I am now convinced that People do not now want/deserve liberal/libertarian policy. This may change, but right now people have lost sight of what liberty means.

bob katter can be his offsider!

Oh God please no!

see if a dose of austrian economics can turn this ship around!

It would, but in the foreseeable future, there is not a snowflake's chance in hell that Austrian economics would ever be given a go.

 

[noco]

God help us if the Greens replace Labor, then we will be well and truly up **** creek without a paddle. At least at the moment we have paddles, but they do seem to be falling apart pretty quickly.

matty, I strongly believe the Greens have reached their peak and will be in decline after the next election.
I also believe many who voted for the Greens at the last election did so in protest. Now it has come back to bit them.
Both the Labor and Liberals parties will not give their preference to the Greens. Most of the Greens entered parliament on Labor and Liberal preferences.

 

[Sdajii]

matty, I strongly believe the Greens have reached their peak and will be in decline after the next election.
I also believe many who voted for the Greens at the last election did so in protest. Now it has come back to bit them.
Both the Labor and Liberals parties will not give their preference to the Greens. Most of the Greens entered parliament on Labor and Liberal preferences.

I think a lot of people would be stupid enough to vote for them again, but I think you're right about them having reached their peak because neither party will be stupid enough to give them preferences again.

I'd say we have a situation of Julia being so hideous that she has handed Abbott a very long term, but I cringe to think about how bad he will be, so even after Julia's performance he might not seem that great. Australia is so screwed

 

[So_Cynical]

matty, I strongly believe the Greens have reached their peak and will be in decline after the next election.
Both the Labor and Liberals parties will not give their preference to the Greens. Most of the Greens entered parliament on Labor and Liberal preferences.

This is pure delusion, cloud cookoo stuff :homer: Labor and the greens will preference each other because there's simply no where else to go...the rise of the greens comes on the back of a decade of Howard nothingness, a decade of total isolation and green ignorance.

This is the green backlash Australia had to have.

Ive said it before and ill say it again...the best thing the Liberals could do is Dump 1 vote Tony for Turnbull and thus capture the centre, the right of the party has no where else to turn and would mostly stay loyal or have there 2 party preferred votes flow to the Liberals anyway....Turnbull would win in a landslide.

 

[Julia]

matty, I strongly believe the Greens have reached their peak and will be in decline after the next election.
I also believe many who voted for the Greens at the last election did so in protest. Now it has come back to bit them.
Both the Labor and Liberals parties will not give their preference to the Greens. Most of the Greens entered parliament on Labor and Liberal preferences.

Agree about the protest vote going to the Greens. However, the fairly consistent polling for the Greens suggests not too many of these people intend to change their vote. That may change as the extreme nature of the Greens becomes more apparent.

Not sure that Labor will not preference the Greens. I find it pretty hard to see them preferencing the Libs.

This is pure delusion, cloud cookoo stuff :homer: Labor and the greens will preference each other because there's simply no where else to go...the rise of the greens comes on the back of a decade of Howard nothingness, a decade of total isolation and green ignorance.

Agree in principle, but let's remember that voters do not have to follow any direction from any party when voting.
I'd be betting that tempers will be so raised, fury so extreme if all this keeps going for another two years, most of the electorate will have pretty clear views about whom they want to vote for.