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Ban live exports! Cattle should not be treated like this!

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So_Cynical said:
After watching the PM and Cabinet on ABC 24 this evening (town hall style meeting in Darwin) im afraid the Labor govt is on the brink of losing my support...when Julia was questioned about the export ban she turned it into an animal cruelty issue only, in fact she said that was the issue!.
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Wow, welcome to the darkside, So Cynical.:)
I heard her speak on this on the radio. She was talking to a bunch of producers, for god's sake, and failed to even slightly appreciate the difficulties her government has conferred on them.
Perhaps the ongoing stress is getting to be too much for her?

i think the issue is the deliberate and callous destruction of the Cattle industry in northern Australia...the cruelty issues could of been dealt with while the industry carried on. :2twocents
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I'm prepared to give the government the benefit of the doubt in that I don't really think they have been deliberately setting out to destroy the cattle industry.
More likely explanation is, yet again, kneejerk policy on the run, thrown out there in panic when there was such a national outcry on the cruelty issue.
Yes, of course, discussions and negotiations with Indonesia (instead of insulting them with a blanket ban) should have occurred, allowing most producers whose cattle were being slaughtered decently to carry on.
 
trainspotter said:
Succinct and to the point. I like it.

1.8 billion dollars and 13,000 jobs down the **** chute with a stroke of a pen.

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So times change, attitudes change, and people need to get new jobs. If the general population of Australia doesn't support exporting live animals to be killed in third rate countries like Indonesia, maybe folk from the live export industry could become chimney sweeps?
 
Gringotts Bank said:
I wouldn't sell a beautiful home on a large block to a developer who intends to demolish it and create 50 shoebox apartments overlooking the neighbors. I'd look for another buyer. The developer can go and chase his tail.

I wouldn't sell a sports car to a dimwit who intended to thrash it around the suburbs at night disturbing the peace. I'd find another buyer. The hoon can go and chase his tail.

See?
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Yeah right:rolleyes:..... so on your examples why are long time farming families in NSW selling their farms to chinese interests because their land has a heap of coal under it ?

$$$$$$$$ thats why and if you stick to your idea's good on you but what would you do if the developer bought every block around you and built 50 shoe box 's on each block around you and you would be the only house in the middle........

it's this centric ideology(head in the sand) that people have that blinds them to the scope of situations and their repercussions.......:rolleyes:
 
ChrisJH said:
So times change, attitudes change, and people need to get new jobs. If the general population of Australia doesn't support exporting live animals to be killed in third rate countries like Indonesia, maybe folk from the live export industry could become chimney sweeps?
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Not going to be any chimneys to sweep once we get a carbon tax. Everything will be clean and green. Maybe a solar panel polisher or a windmill blade tuner?

Anyone considered what is going to happen to all these yarded beasts we are no longer sending to Indonesia? I heard on the news it is going to take 125,000 bales of hay to feed them all per day. The vet (on the news) went on to say that it would cause them great stress to be freighted back to the cattle stations. (better than death I suppose)
 
THE Pastoralists and Graziers Association has dismissed today’s announcement by the Gillard Government of a $30 million industry assistance package for cattle farmers hit by the ban on live exports to Indonesia as a short term stunt, and is calling on the Prime Minister to immediately reinstate live cattle exports to Indonesia.

“The WA livestock industry has made our position very clear to the Prime Minister and to Minister Ludwig - we want our industry back,” PGA President Rob Gillam said.

“This $30 million would be better spent on assisting the Indonesian Government in upgrading their facilities and getting the cattle back on the boats, rather than providing short term compensation to families whose only source of income has been stripped by the Government’s reckless actions.”
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http://www.warwickdailynews.com.au/...alists-want-reinstatement-not-compensationth/

Genius level this guy. I would vote for him.
 
The ALP's default reaction to any crisis is to send people to Centrelink, particularly if it is of their making.

They are not solution focussed, but welfare fixated.

They should be in Indonesia sorting this out, and let our graziers and workers continue to make a quid exporting cattle.

Somebody has to earn the bloody money to pay welfare.

gg
 
Isn't there a fee paid by cattle producers i.e. $100 mil a year to ensure all is good so this situation doesn't happen?

Shouldn't there be heads on a plate?

The industry has screwed up big time but point the finger at everyone else, insiders would have known about the issues / problems yet $100 Mil couldn't fix it, talk about snouts in the trough.

Raised on a farm, Dad killed all our meat used to give him a hand, he would be horrified by the vision if he was still alive.
 
The independent MP for New England, who holds the balance of power, represents one of the largest cattle electorates in the country.

But two weeks ago, Windsor voted against a motion drafted by Queensland independent Bob Katter that would have delivered stun guns to Indonesian abattoirs - and ensured the speedy resumption of the live cattle trade.
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Interestingly, Andrew Wilkie supported Bob Katter's motion.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg....php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_road_to_hell
 
I'm sure a lot of the people who were supporting this idiotic decision are now eating their words, but no doubt a lot are still not willing to admit they were wrong and will keep their heels dug in.

No doubt a lot of people will still support the next idiotic knee-jerk reaction this or a future government makes. Give people an emotional issue and they'll just blindly follow any political stunt, er, attempt at positive action.

This whole issue has been a massive display of Australian stupidity, it is really disheartening. I'm not sure what it would take to get rid of the 'I'll support any government which takes a stand against issue xxx' mentality. Blatant and repeated demonstrations that the government doesn't care about the issue itself, and that knee-jerk reactions hurt everything including the problem they were pretending to try deal with... well, that doesn't work. Perhaps people are stupid enough to deserve the type of government we have.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Pales against a poke in the eye, doesn't it?
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Oh well, at least those hungry maggots won't be disappointed. Better them being fed than the humans that could have used that food (not like we're facing a food crisis in this world, right?) and not that money coming into Australia would have been of any value, right?
 
Sdajii said:
No doubt a lot of people will still support the next idiotic knee-jerk reaction this or a future government makes. Give people an emotional issue and they'll just blindly follow any political stunt, er, attempt at positive action.
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Yeah. In Queensland the lives of fruit bats have priority over the lives of horses and people.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Yea don't mind the odd larvae myself. Lightly pan fried is a great substitute for rice.
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Will we be able to afford the pan, the rice or the fuel to cook it ?

You might have to be satisfied with it roasted over an open fire on the end of a stick, once a week.
 
why cant mr botha put em on a boat and send em,I dont see why a goverment can stop this trade, boats are idle ,trucks are idle surely cattlemen can band together hire a boat and ship to the first meatworks open who,s gunna stop em
 
breaker said:
why cant mr botha put em on a boat and send em,I dont see why a goverment can stop this trade, boats are idle ,trucks are idle surely cattlemen can band together hire a boat and ship to the first meatworks open who,s gunna stop em
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Knowing our government, they'd use all that 'stop the boat people' stuff to stop the cattle people going the other way. Where Howard had his children overboard issues, Julia (I'm no longer giving her the respect of calling her Ms. Gillard, I'm joining the rest of the crowd) can have her own 'cattle overboard' scandal. Heck, we'll probably have a cattle detention centre (luxury accommodation of course, with conditions better than Australia's human population gets) built before we know it.
 
breaker said:
why cant mr botha put em on a boat and send em,I dont see why a goverment can stop this trade, boats are idle ,trucks are idle surely cattlemen can band together hire a boat and ship to the first meatworks open who,s gunna stop em
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In the interests of all Australians, military intervention would be the only solution. Looking forward, we cannot have Australians making their own decisions because that is the elected governments role.
 
Like some overseas countrys that are unhappy with their Govt,s maybe there are other alternatives
 
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