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New Zealand stopped it and Australia should make a stand too.

There is absolutely no reason for the excessive cruelty of animals that are used to feed us. What is so hard with stunning an animal before it is slaughtered.

Nature and animals should be respected above profit.
 
Julia said:
I didn't suggest it was you who made a comparison between cows and coal. You are the one jumping to a conclusion here.
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Who then was the object of your remark?

I'm glad to hear it's not the case. Must just be how you express yourself that allowed me to form such a perception.
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As I said, you are quick to jump to conclusions on little evidence.
 
Julia said:
In this case, yes the government has over-reacted in its usual fashion.
But we do need to take action against gratuitous cruelty. As I've already asked, how hard is it to just stun the animal before killing it! It's not, and I'll support any government anywhere which legislates for this to happen.
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...and in typical voter style, you'll support them in action against what you dislike, even if that action is misguided, counter productive, and harms many people who never did anything wrong.

It's a shame voters have this simple mentality. It doesn't need to be good action for me to support it, it doesn't even need to make sense, as long as they're doing something in the name of a cause I like.

Sure, it might be easy for the abbotoir to do the right thing, but why take action which won't solve the problem and will harm the majority of the people who were doing the right thing? Surely we demand that the action taken actually makes the situation better.

Imagine how angry you would be if you had a business, someone else in the same industry (but in a completely different company with different customers) did something wrong, and despite never have anything wrong yourself you lost your business and livelihood, along with your staff. I'm sure you'd be really irritated by those supporting the government decision and saying "I'll support any government which takes a stand against this problem!" Sure, take a stand, but target the problem, don't penalise the innocent.

It is exactly this type of reaction by voters "I'll stand by any government which takes action for the cause, regardless of what it is, just whoever does *something* and whoever does it *fastest*!" which causes governments to make idiotic knee-jerk reactions. If the people demanded proper action, they might get it. If you demand immediate action you'll get it, and if you support idiotic decisions you'll repeatedly get them.
 
I spent my first 17 years on a farm among cattle. horses, poultry and pigs. We loved and respected our animals. As kids we rode our horses all over our property and to school. Outside school our faithful blue heelers were never far from our sides. We loved them and they loved us. Things happen on farms that are not pretty to watch, but we would never tolerate gratuitous cruelty.

That's why I find it it to be depressing to be the butt of snide comments from suburban pet owners like Tysonboss, who sit in judgment and deliberately distort, what I have said to make a point,

What kind of person puts animal cruelty in the same category as coal. What coal does is a whole different subject.
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Calliope said:
That's why I find it it to be depressing to be the butt of snide comments from suburban pet owners like Tysonboss, who sit in judgment and deliberately distort, what I have said to make a point,
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My comment and julias was aimed at the other forum members who compared various commodities such as coal, with live stock.
 
Calliope said:
comments from suburban pet owners like Tysonboss,
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I may be a city boy, But I come from a farming family on my mothers side. All of my male cousins either own their own diary farms or are employed working on diary farms one of my uncles owns 3 diary farms, and the other uncles own cattle and sheep farms. So i have had exposure to farming life, ( including some of the unpleasent stuff such as stiching the bearing sheep and culling pests etc)

This does not in any way change my opinion on treatment of animals. I don't think any thing I have said is unreasonable.
 
Tysonboss1 said:
My comment and julias was aimed at the other forum members who compared various commodities such as coal, with live stock.
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That would be me and So-Cynical then? The comments were made that once we have SOLD a commodity then who are we to dictate what happens to the product once the transaction has been finalised?

Yes yes yes it is animal cruelty and very hard to stomach. Note only a handful of the abbatoirs were in breach of regulations on how to humanely kill a beast.

NOT a reason to completely shutdown the live export of beef to Indonesia IMO. More a reason to stop supplying THOSE abbatoirs that are not up to our regulations. :banghead:

http://www.liveexportcare.com.au/WeCare/Regulation/?gclid=CK2h7ouA0KkCFY2GpAod4TIbOA

This is a website for the dedication of prevention of cruelty to export animals whilst in Australia and NO mention of what happens to them once o/s??

Meat & livestock Australia (MLA) is a producer-owned company, working in partnership with industry and government to achieve a profitable and sustainable red meat and livestock (cattle, sheep and goats) industry in Australia.

What is MLA's role in improving animal welfare in Indonesia?

MLA, the livestock industry and Government do not have the power to enforce animal welfare standards in any country.

We have however worked with Indonesian operators by providing training and infrastructure in conjunction to make animal welfare improvements.

The industry has spent over $4 million over the past ten years in infrastructure and training to achieve animal welfare improvements.

These improvements are real, and have been recognised by industry and in independent reviews as recently as last year.

http://www.mla.com.au/About-the-red...highlight2&article=Indonesia Live Export FAQs
 
Calliope said:
Yeah! Who? I have no doubt I was the butt of your snide remarks.
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So you haven't read the first page of comments?

One of the first comments buy so C mentions it for a start, and other through out also.

Try not to be so sensitive. ;)
 
Calliope said:
Who then was the object of your remark?
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Tyson has already partly answered this. Here is an additional comment.
Sdajii said:
If coal causes pollution, and that pollution devastates natural ecosystems, it causes a lot more animal suffering than poorly treated cows in abottoirs. It is naive to think that just because no humans are observing it that the animals are suffering any less.
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OK, now, Calliope. Glad to hear you enjoyed the companionship of dogs in the past.

Sdajii said:
...and in typical voter style, you'll support them in action against what you dislike, even if that action is misguided, counter productive, and harms many people who never did anything wrong.
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Guess what, Sdajii? I don't actually need your approval to form a view and happily repeat that I would be supportive of any government legislation in any country which mandates stunning before an animal is killed.

I'm sorry to know that you seem to find such a simple measure of respect for the animal unnecessary.

Just to remind you of what I said earlier:
As someone has suggested, the blanket ban is simply a stupid pandering to outraged voters.
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To influence outcomes beyond the castle walls, one needs to be involved outside the castle walls.
 
This thread title is the knee jerk reaction government took to the Indonesian abattoir animal cruelty incidents. Why not ban those abattoirs instead of the whole industry? Now (backed by the Green group) they want to move from live exports to chilled exports "just like N.Z. did" and supposedly create new jobs processing the chilled product in Australia. Apparently Indo's prefer their meat warm with a likelihood of lost trade in the meat market from Australia.

Add the cow cockies to the list of Aussies peeved by this knee jerk reactive government.
 
Wysiwyg said:
This thread title is the knee jerk reaction government took to the Indonesian abattoir animal cruelty incidents. Why not ban those abattoirs instead of the whole industry? Now (backed by the Green group) they want to move from live exports to chilled exports "just like N.Z. did" and supposedly create new jobs processing the chilled product in Australia. Apparently Indo's prefer their meat warm with a likelihood of lost trade in the meat market from Australia.

Add the cow cockies to the list of Aussies peeved by this knee jerk reactive government.
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From post #49 Wysiwygijiggythingy

NOT a reason to completely shutdown the live export of beef to Indonesia IMO. More a reason to stop supplying THOSE abbatoirs that are not up to our regulations.
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Anyhooooo...... as the average Indo earns $100 per month it is highly UNLIKELY they are going to own a refrigerator in the first place. They buy their product from the markets on a daily basis and RARELY keep food in a pantry or refrigerated.

Westernising them with tin food and take away rubbish is bad enough. BAH HUMBUG !
 
trainspotter said:
Anyhooooo...... as the average Indo earns $100 per month it is highly UNLIKELY they are going to own a refrigerator in the first place. They buy their product from the markets on a daily basis and RARELY keep food in a pantry or refrigerated.
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Yes I don't think they have the luxury of refrigeration which is one of the reasons 'wet' markets are their preferred method of shopping.
 
This open letter from Wellard Rural Exports has a lot of merit. It would appear there was a very small minority of abattoirs in Indonesia who had killed their cattle the wrong way, so this stupid Green/Labor socialist government intentionally disrupts the whole industry just to create economic chaos for the Australian economy. Don't laugh, this is real what what Brown and Gillard are doing to our economy


http://nqr.farmonline.com.au/blogs/...ellard-rural-exports/2193028.aspx?storypage=0
 
After watching the PM and Cabinet on ABC 24 this evening (town hall style meeting in Darwin) im afraid the Labor govt is on the brink of losing my support...when Julia was questioned about the export ban she turned it into an animal cruelty issue only, in fact she said that was the issue!.

i think the issue is the deliberate and callous destruction of the Cattle industry in northern Australia...the cruelty issues could of been dealt with while the industry carried on. :2twocents
 
So_Cynical said:
After watching the PM and Cabinet on ABC 24 this evening (town hall style meeting in Darwin) im afraid the Labor govt is on the brink of losing my support...when Julia was questioned about the export ban she turned it into an animal cruelty issue only, in fact she said that was the issue!.

i think the issue is the deliberate and callous destruction of the Cattle industry in northern Australia...the cruelty issues could of been dealt with while the industry carried on. :2twocents
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I could not stand listening to Julia Gillard ABC24, so switched to another channel.

She traeted the audience like a bunch of school kids.
 
So_Cynical said:
After watching the PM and Cabinet on ABC 24 this evening (town hall style meeting in Darwin) im afraid the Labor govt is on the brink of losing my support...when Julia was questioned about the export ban she turned it into an animal cruelty issue only, in fact she said that was the issue!.

i think the issue is the deliberate and callous destruction of the Cattle industry in northern Australia...the cruelty issues could of been dealt with while the industry carried on. :2twocents
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Succinct and to the point. I like it.

1.8 billion dollars and 13,000 jobs down the **** chute with a stroke of a pen.

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