Ban live exports! Cattle should not be treated like this!

[Tysonboss1]

This has been in the media a bit latly, I urge everyone to follow the link and spend 2 minutes having their say on the topic.

I am the first to admit that I enjoy eating meat, But to think Australian beef cattle are subjected to this treatment when sent overseas disgusts me.

http://www.banliveexport.com/judgement/

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[So_Cynical]

Re: Ban live exports! Cattle should not be treated like this.

Yes it's terrible, but destroying the cattle industry in northern Aust would be a greater crime....what others do with our produce after it leaves our hands is thier business.

Cattle
Iron
Uranium
Timber

Thier bussiness.

 

[wayneL]

Re: Ban live exports! Cattle should not be treated like this.

Yes it's terrible, but destroying the cattle industry in northern Aust would be a greater crime....what others do with our produce after it leaves our hands is thier business.

Cattle
Iron
Uranium
Timber

Thier bussiness.

Ok let's just export uranium to whoever wants it, North Korea, Iran etc. Their money is as good as everybody else's?

 

[davede]

disturbing to say the least.

 

[snowking]

yes its disturbing but to ban all live trade its a knee-jerk reaction that affects the livelihood of many decent people. The fact is that not all cattle is treated this way, in fact 45% of live cattle exported to Indonesia is done so to abattoirs which meet the standards applied here in australia, some of which are actually Australia owned. Many of the Indonesian abattoirs meet these standards as well. The problem is the minority and what we saw on four corners is an example of a minority case which is designed to shock and create fear and it has done exactly that. If we were smart about this we would be selective in the ban and not completely ruin an industry without assessing all the facts.

 

[Calliope]

Re: Ban live exports! Cattle should not be treated like this.

Yes it's terrible, but destroying the cattle industry in northern Aust would be a greater crime....what others do with our produce after it leaves our hands is thier business.

Cattle
Iron
Uranium
Timber

Thier bussiness.

Exactly. Similarly they can do whatever they like with drug mules in their own country. Only rich countries can aspire to be kind to animals and criminals. Pets in this country are better fed than most Indonesians.

 

[trainspotter]

Isn't there already a thread dedicated to this topic?

I am with So_Cynical on this one. We SOLD it to them. Not our concern.

Unfortunately N Korea has their own uraniun mines that they use to enrich ore to weapons grade and then sell it to Iran. Big concern. They do not need to buy the stuff.

 

[springhill]

This has been in the media a bit latly, I urge everyone to follow the link and spend 2 minutes having their say on the topic.

I am the first to admit that I enjoy eating meat, But to think Australian beef cattle are subjected to this treatment when sent overseas disgusts me.

Do Australian beef cattle have more rights than cattle from other countries?
Why isn't there a call for a total ban worldwide on live cattle exports?

I think Australia has a problem in thinking we are a 'bit better' than the rest of the world, and is delusional in always seeming to take the moral high ground when we get it wrong so many times ourselves.
Anyone who thinks animals don't suffer mistreatment in Australia, (hopefully in the extreme minority of cases) has rocks in their heads. No, wait, Aussies are incapable of mistreatment aren't they? We belong to the Lucky Country, where it is all peaches and ice cream, but it's easier to bash another country than take a look in our own backyards.

We have no problem bashing the Chinese for their human rights violations, similarly other countries have voiced concerns for our treatment of our indigenous peoples. The precedent is set then for public comment in worldwide treatment of humans and animals alike.

So, come on people, rise up against the live cattle trade globally. Nah, that all seems to hard doesn't it?

 

[moXJO]

Not all of their abattoirs are like those shown. We have enough cruelty over here without casting stones on others. We seem to want to destroy every industry we have in this country over knee-jerk feel good policy.

 

[Tysonboss1]

Re: Ban live exports! Cattle should not be treated like this.

Yes it's terrible, but destroying the cattle industry in northern Aust would be a greater crime....what others do with our produce after it leaves our hands is thier business.

Cattle
Iron
Uranium
Timber

Thier bussiness.

I think we have a big say to what happens to certain commodities and who they go to.

I am not saying destroy the cattle industry, just have some sort of standards on the facilities they go to.

I mean how hard is it to have a better containment box and stun them first, and train the dtaff a bit better

 

[Sdajii]

All it takes to make a sensationalist video for political persuasion which will get people passionately on or off side is one isolated incident. It may not be common, but I'm sure that in isolated cases, much worse occurs in Australian abottoirs, and if someone filmed it they could make a sensationalist video about Australia.

People are becoming more and more ignorant, gullible and isolated from the real world. Democracy, running a country based on public opinion is becoming a worse and worse option (not that I have a better one on offer, sadly). All you need to do is release some meaningless but emotive piece of propaganda and you can trigger ridiculous and hugely damaging action.

How much human suffering (loss of jobs, flow on effects in the Australian economy) could a misrepresentation of animal suffering cause?

 

[Tysonboss1]

1. Do Australian beef cattle have more rights than cattle from other countries?
2.Why isn't there a call for a total ban worldwide on live cattle exports?

1. No, but we control happens to ours,

2, Maybe their should be, especially any trade that involves extended periods of transport.

 

[Calliope]

All you need to do is release some meaningless but emotive piece of propaganda and you can trigger ridiculous and hugely damaging action.

How about this? We sell our nice, friendly, harmless coal to China where they are turning it into a monstrous polluting cloud of nasty gas. We should send inspectors to their factories to ensure that their chimneys only emit nice gases.

 

[Tysonboss1]

A Better way.

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[Tysonboss1]

How about this? We sell our nice, friendly, harmless coal to China where they are turning it into a monstrous polluting cloud of nasty gas. We should send inspectors to their factories to ensure that their chimneys only emit nice gases.

Come on, you can't be comparing coal to living animals? Think about it.

 

[springhill]

1. No, but we control happens to ours,

2, Maybe their should be, especially any trade that involves extended periods of transport.

1.No, once it is sold, we don't control anything. That's like me selling you my car, and saying don't go around laying rubber on the streets, you will still do as you please. I may not sell you my next car though. We can only affect supply. Then they get replaced by another countries animals and the system continues.

2. Does this include humans too? Those jetstar seats are pretty inhumane

 

[Sdajii]

Come on, you can't be comparing coal to living animals? Think about it.

Yeah, exactly, coal isn't alive, it's not like something which isn't alive could possibly ever cause harm and affect anything which is alive. Goodness, what kind of stupid idiot might make that ridiculous mythical connection! Glad to see you aren't blinded by emotion or anything. Phew.

 

[pixel]

yes its disturbing but to ban all live trade its a knee-jerk reaction that affects the livelihood of many decent people. The fact is that not all cattle is treated this way, in fact 45% of live cattle exported to Indonesia is done so to abattoirs which meet the standards applied here in australia, some of which are actually Australia owned. Many of the Indonesian abattoirs meet these standards as well. The problem is the minority and what we saw on four corners is an example of a minority case which is designed to shock and create fear and it has done exactly that. If we were smart about this we would be selective in the ban and not completely ruin an industry without assessing all the facts.

hear hear

btw, I thought the figure wasn't 45, but 95%; 4-corners only picked one of the bottom 2%. Nobody would've had a problem with removing those bad apples from the client list.

 

[Calliope]

Come on, you can't be comparing coal to living animals? Think about it.

No. I was illustrating the stupidity of us expecting other countries to respect our high ethical standards

No doubt you and your dog can have the best food available courtesy of the refrigeration that we take for granted.

 

[Tysonboss1]

Yeah, exactly, coal isn't alive, it's not like something which isn't alive could possibly ever cause harm and affect anything which is alive. Goodness, what kind of stupid idiot might make that ridiculous mythical connection! Glad to see you aren't blinded by emotion or anything. Phew.

Animals don't have a voice, so we have to be the voice for them to stop harmful things happening to them. Humans do have a voice, so if we think something is harmful to us we can say something. Know the difference. What kind of person puts animal cruelty in the same category as coal. What coal does is a whole different subject.