Poor cows

[LifeChoices]

Didn't mean to watch it, but I did: just caught the end of it and I saw a trembling cow watch his buddy being tortured and killed. I felt sick all day - I still feel sick. I think it was enough for me to turn vegetarian for a few days.

Just one other reason I will never ever go to Indonesia.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Are you talking about a slaughterhouse?

Yeah it's pretty bad what we do to animals...if only we knew half of what happened to the animals we eat

 

[LifeChoices]

Are you talking about a slaughterhouse?

Yeah it's pretty bad what we do to animals...if only we knew half of what happened to the animals we eat

Sorry to be cryptic - it was all over the news today in Melbourne. Four Corners did a program on what happens to our live exported beef when it gets to Indonesia.

It was the most sickening thing I've watched in a long time - and I only saw about 5 minutes of it - by accident.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Sorry to be cryptic - it was all over the news today in Melbourne. Four Corners did a program on what happens to our live exported beef when it gets to Indonesia.

It was the most sickening thing I've watched in a long time - and I only saw about 5 minutes of it - by accident.

Yeah I checked smh.com.au after reading your post and found out what you were referring to.

Things like this have been on my mind for a long time - it seems extremely cruel that we humans breed animals just to kill them.

 

[LifeChoices]

I eat meat so I don't have a problem with the humane treatment and killing of animals for human consumption.

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated
- Mahatma Gandhi

I have a big problem with the torture of animals.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Things like this have been on my mind for a long time - it seems extremely cruel that we humans breed animals just to kill them.

Yeah I know what you mean Dyler Turdin. I too mourn the passing of lettuce, tomatoes, apples, peas, corn etc. when their promising lives are literally cut short by cowardly humans who then go on to devour the hapless victims without a thought for the countless propagations waiting a similar fate.

 

[boofhead]

I'm sure if the government didn't make any movements then nothing would ultimately change.

The way some in the industry spoke on 4Corners shows they are more interested in the sales and less interested in what happens afterwards except token gestures.

Anyone know beef trade that has an inkling where they will import the beasts from now?

 

[Julia]

Didn't mean to watch it, but I did: just caught the end of it and I saw a trembling cow watch his buddy being tortured and killed. I felt sick all day - I still feel sick. I think it was enough for me to turn vegetarian for a few days.

Just one other reason I will never ever go to Indonesia.

There was plenty of warning about the content of the program. As a result I made sure not to watch it. Just cannot look at or read about cruelty to animals. Utterly sickening.
There should be punishment for the Indonesians involved in this dreadful practice in addition to their 'services' being boycotted by Australia.

One of the problems the RSPCA has is unsufficient funds to bring prosecutions against the perpetrators of this shocking practice.
So if anyone has a few spare dollars, please contribute to the RSPCA.

And if anyone else commenting in this thread is disposed to describe or post images of what actually happens to these poor animals, please do not do so. Anyone wanting to see it can find it.

I will just never understand what it is in some human beings that allows them to inflict cruelty on any animal, most of whom are defenceless and utterly innocent. There's nothing that upsets me more.

 

[LifeChoices]

The program on the ABC last night really upset me.

What sort of country jails a young girl for 20 years for smuggling marijuana, executes others for smuggling heroin, lets off and makes invalid excuses for Abu Bakar Bashir, the spiritual leader of an organisation that is responsible for mass murder and yet endorses the torture of animals?

I hope to never spend one cent of my money to contribute to their morally bankrupt backwater.

 

[NewOrder]

I eat meat so I don't have a problem with the humane treatment and killing of animals for human consumption.



I have a big problem with the torture of animals.

I agree with you and I do not eat meat, I am a fairly stict vegetarian no rennet, gelatine etc. There is no issue to me with humans eating meat if that is their choice but there must be respect for the animals.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I will just never understand what it is in some human beings that allows them to inflict cruelty on any animal, most of whom are defenceless and utterly innocent. There's nothing that upsets me more.

If I made laws, I would introduce "an eye for an eye" punishment for those who inflict harm on animals.

Don't give me that "an eye for an eye makes both people blind" crap - they deserve it.

 

[Liar's Poker]

There was plenty of warning about the content of the program. As a result I made sure not to watch it. Just cannot look at or read about cruelty to animals. Utterly sickening.
There should be punishment for the Indonesians involved in this dreadful practice in addition to their 'services' being boycotted by Australia.

One of the problems the RSPCA has is unsufficient funds to bring prosecutions against the perpetrators of this shocking practice.
So if anyone has a few spare dollars, please contribute to the RSPCA.

And if anyone else commenting in this thread is disposed to describe or post images of what actually happens to these poor animals, please do not do so. Anyone wanting to see it can find it.

I will just never understand what it is in some human beings that allows them to inflict cruelty on any animal, most of whom are defenceless and utterly innocent. There's nothing that upsets me more.

In addition to Julia's post, please also consider donating to the WSPA. For those that do not have any spare coin, you can also help by completing a pre-written letter to be posted to your local MP (only takes 60 seconds) - every little bit helps.

WSPA - http://www.wspa.org.au/
RSPCA - http://www.rspca.org.au/

I donate a certain percent of my income to them every year and have been really impressed to hear about their progress on stopping the culling of Bali dogs through vaccination, rescuing bears from bear baiting in Pakistan (the initial reason I signed up) and events such as the mistreatment of cows.

I didn't watch the program as just hearing about it was enough - felt like jumping on a plane and breaking some legs of my own.

-Liar-

 

[nulla nulla]

Yeah I know what you mean Dyler Turdin. I too mourn the passing of lettuce, tomatoes, apples, peas, corn etc. when their promising lives are literally cut short by cowardly humans who then go on to devour the hapless victims without a thought for the countless propagations waiting a similar fate.

Don't forget carrots. Everyone forgets carrots. Poor buggers start out life as a seed barely 1mm in size. Shoved in the ground with a dose of highly toxic fertiliser and as soon as they have overcome their adversities and established themselves, some mongrel human comes along and literaly rips them out of their environement to die.
Poor buggers.

 

[Glen48]

www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/live-export/ban-live-export

If you want to sign up.

Think you will find there is a lot more of this going on in any country makes you relise how cold hearted people are.

 

[LifeChoices]

www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/live-export/ban-live-export

If you want to sign up.

Think you will find there is a lot more of this going on in any country makes you relise how cold hearted people are.

Good one - come on everyone - make a difference!

 

[NewOrder]

www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/live-export/ban-live-export

If you want to sign up.

Think you will find there is a lot more of this going on in any country makes you relise how cold hearted people are.

Thanks for the link, signed

 

[Julia]

Thanks for the link, signed

+1. (though I'm a bit reluctant to be giving GetUp my email address.)

 

[Country Lad]

www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/live-export/ban-live-export

If you want to sign up.

Think you will find there is a lot more of this going on in any country makes you relise how cold hearted people are.

The reason we are the main (not the only) exporters to Indonesia is a factor of geography - our shipping costs are less than from South America.

A couple of the independents say that they will introduce a bill to ban all live export.

I have a difficulty with this populist move as it does not in anyway reduce the animal cruelty. Firstly, South American producers will quickly fill the market and the cruelty will continue unabated. Secondly, the bill includes live sheep export and there goes the income of a number of WA farmers. Thirdly, not being suppliers, we will have no influence into banning the practices.

I would prefer to see our government enter into fair dinkum discussions with the Indo gov't to achieve reforms. Worth a try. Trouble is, our gov't may not have the backbone. Probaly easier for them to bury head in sand and ban the exports - could be votes in that.

I suppose what happens from here will depend on where the interest lies - stop the cruelty completely or stop the cruelty on our cattle.

And the there is the issue of what did ALM do with all that money they collected from the industry which was supposed to be spent on the cruelty issue and which they said was under control.

Cheers
Country Lad

 

[tothemax6]

Well sorry to break it to y'all, but this is what meat is. Animals are bred purely for the purpose of eating, which often involves them living in miserable conditions, and ends with them getting viciously butchered.
And don't give me that 'it can be humane' stuff, that is just to make the butchers and the consumers feel better about the whole thing. The animal is still 'executed' for its meat in either way, it is only the time taken to perform the execution that changes.
But keep in mind two things - (1) few animals below the top of the food chain suffer 'humane' deaths. Some animals suffer deaths that are genuine horror stories (example being deaths involving paralysis and slow and drawn out consumption by a larvae), and (2) the 'feeding purpose' actually gave these animals life in the first place, they would not exist otherwise. Its an odd way to look at it, but would you rather a 20year life followed by execution, or non-existence?

I have no problem eating meat (but incidentally my consumption of it is very low compared to most people).

 

[Wysiwyg]

Animals are bred purely for the purpose of eating

Yes and modern person is oblivious or mostly ignorant to how the deaths take place. Modern day person can get all emotional and cry injustice when it is really just a normal part of the life cycle. When they (modern day emotional person) catches a fish and sinks a barbed hook, drags it through the water and then lets it die out of the water feels nothing yet if it was lil lamby getting smacked in the forehead with a bolt, tears would be flowing.

Have to admit those Indonesians in the footage are sick and represent a primitive mindset over there. Swift is best.

Happens in the USA too.

For her book Slaughterhouse, Gail Eisnitz, chief investigator for the Humane Farming Association (HFA), interviewed slaughterhouse workers in the U.S. who say that, because of the speed with which they are required to work, animals are routinely skinned while apparently alive, and still blinking, kicking, and shrieking. Eisnitz argues that this is not only cruel to the animals, but also dangerous for the human workers, as cows weighing several thousands of pounds thrashing around in pain are likely to kick out and debilitate anyone working near them.

Doin' the dirty work for all of us.