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Osama Bin Laden Dead?

Just revisited this thread and would like to make 2 comments:

1. The reply about DNA coming from a sibling (sister?) that sounds OK to me, but I'm no scientist. I guess if sibling DNA is "proof positive" then maybe the conspiracy theory takes a hit.

2. Was it just me, or did Channel 9 show a photograph of a dead bin Laden on the 6 o'clock news? It was pretty ugly and they prefaced it with, "we don't normally show photos of dead people, but this is such an important event, we feel it is justified". The photo was pretty disturbing (most dead people don't look their best!) and my instinctive reaction was that he seemed fuller on the face than previous pictures. Was it really him or just a body-double? Anyway, it wasn't something I needed to see as I approached the dinner table!

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No it wasn,t just you, Channel 9 showed a picture last night. It was him, his face was
swollen,but that happens when you get hit by high powered bullets.
Good riddance:shoot:
 
Obviously it was Obama's decision to dump Osama's body in the sea to appease Muslim custom that he be buried on the same day. I think this is the height of "political correct" stupidity. And they hesitate to post pictures of his cadaver because "it might enrage the Muslim world."

Apparently killing him doesn't enrage the Muslim world, but they are fussy about respect for Muslim dead bodies.:rolleyes: Do the victims of their suicide bombers (or what's left of them) get the same respect?

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/te...ts-find-a-home-on-the-web-20110503-1e61d.html
 
Something sounds amiss and fishy to me, just a feeling.

Timing also very convenient too. :confused:
 

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Apparently the covert operation took place last week. It took awhile for the Pakistanis to agree on the intel and to allow for the operation to go ahead. They also claim to confirm the DNA results. Burial at sea eh? One way to NOT have a shrine I suppose and also in line with Muslim tradition to bury the body ASAP.
This evening there is total denial from both the Americans and Pakistan that the Pakistanis knew anything at all about the operation and that any Pakistani intelligence was involved, other than general 'co-operation' for some years.

If it actually happened, it seems to have been a wholly US event, something the Pakistani government could quite reasonably get a bit outraged about on their soil, were it not for the obvious embarrassment to them of having apparently not known about the fact that they were harbouring bin Laden.

Pretty damn hard to believe he was living there, in a built up area, and no Pakistani intelligence knew anything about it!!



No it wasn,t just you, Channel 9 showed a picture last night. It was him, his face was
swollen,but that happens when you get hit by high powered bullets.
Good riddance:shoot:
How can Channel 9 have shown pictures of bin Laden when the US government has categorically stated that they have not released their photographs of the dead fugitive?
 
How do you tell when the CIA is involved in a mission? when the only thing left standing is the target.
If He was dead yrs ago and USA it picking on the Paki's etc the Brown stuff is going all over the World and who knows what will happen but it could cause a lot of damage including the DOW so watch the markets over the next day or so,

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I think the world was a much more stable place with Bin Laden living in peaceful retirement in Pakistan. Obama may be politically astute but in international affairs he is a novice.

In trying to restore some standing with the electorate he has stirred up a hornet's nest which will come back to sting him badly. And now Pakistan is a bigger danger to peace that before Osama's assassination. The Pakistani/American relationship will become poisonous.

The time when Bin Laden was a danger to the world was long passed. He had long ago passed the baton to others more dangerous than him.
 
Geoffrey Robertson QC is furious.

Running on high rotation on ABC News Breakfast. It was a lawful action by the US says Geoffrey, but Osama should have been brought back and put on trial, and 'de-mystified'.

Presumably for the next 15 years, at the rate of 2000 pounds an hour. I think Geoffrey saw a potential stage for himself, but the Navy SEALS brought down the curtain.
 
Geoffrey Robertson QC is furious.

Running on high rotation on ABC News Breakfast. It was a lawful action by the US says Geoffrey, but Osama should have been brought back and put on trial, and 'de-mystified'.

Presumably for the next 15 years, at the rate of 2000 pounds an hour. I think Geoffrey saw a potential stage for himself, but the Navy SEALS brought down the curtain.

Yes, Geoffrey has such a QC view of the world.
 
Didn't he marry that slurry Kathy Lette who coauthored the novel Puberty Blues? Talk about life imitating art.
 
I think the world was a much more stable place with Bin Laden living in peaceful retirement in Pakistan. Obama may be politically astute but in international affairs he is a novice.

In trying to restore some standing with the electorate he has stirred up a hornet's nest which will come back to sting him badly. And now Pakistan is a bigger danger to peace that before Osama's assassination. The Pakistani/American relationship will become poisonous.

The time when Bin Laden was a danger to the world was long passed. He had long ago passed the baton to others more dangerous than him.
Yes, agree. Following the brief rejoicing at the idea of revenge, soon even the American people will start to understand the ramifications.

Re the assertion that DNA has proven the dead person (if he is dead ) to be bin Laden, the ABC's science correspondent last night was casting some doubt on this.
She was careful to preface her comment with "Now, I'm not saying bin Laden is not actually dead, but ....." and then went on to point out that he was the only child of his father and that particular wife. His mother had no other children at any time. Therefore any comparative DNA would need to incorporate his mother's, and ergo DNA from the dead sister is not conclusive proof of anything other than the dead person being a bin Laden son, but not Osama specifically.
 
I am puzzled about this:

An incursion deep into Pakistan, a Country with active air defence systems,

a 40min reported firefight within 300 metres of Pakistan equivalant of Duntroon, a base allegedly on 15 min red-alert footing.

So they knew/did nothing? Surely the base commander would be wtf?

No jets scrambled?

ok, leave that aside, its clear US forces had the means, capability & opportunity to take him alive, based on what they have said ( ie stun grenades, nerve gas, buckshot etc etc) so either a huge stuff up, they wanted him dead, or they took him alive.

also no casualties mentioned on the US side...attacking a purpose built compound
 
awg - All good points you make. Could it be that the Pakistani's are really that incompetent? Too many coincidences for my liking. The whole base didn't hear, see anything or respond in any way? Gee, I'm glad (hope?) our boys are more alert!

Julia - Good pickup on the DNA thing. I guess it needs to be the same parents to be a valid comparisson.

As for the photo that I saw on the news, yes, I think they showed what I now understand to be the fake ones that have been around for a while - sorry about that folks.

As for the showing the real photos to the world; I'm not sure that's going to end the debate. It will certainly stir up his followers, I don't know that even that will satisfy the conspiracy theorists and it's all a bit tasteless I guess. Who knows how a terrorist thinks? Would they be appeased by seeing him receive the traditional elements of a muslim burial before being planted out to sea? Or would that simply enrage them more? There was no such respect shown to his victims over the years, so I'm not a supporter of that option.

Maybe just close the book on bin Laden and focus on bringing an end to terrorism without recognising him any more than we already have. He's yesterday's news by all accounts.

The intrigue continues ......
 
From what I can work out:
2 choppers fly in in beside the compound in the middle of a city one chopper has a failure and is destroyed. No one hears the chopper including the people in the compound, The compound is 100 yds/ 10 K from a military base, Troops enter the compound with 12/18 ft high walls , about 25 people are inside mainly women and children , the is a 40 minute fire fight but no bullet marks on the buildings outside as viewed by news agent's holding camera's up over the walls, Liner is found and asked to surrender he won't so 2 shots to the head, troops then collect 18 Hard drives, Cd's papers etc and leave with the body, all pile in to one chopper that took 2 to carry them in, The body is dumped some time , was it on the way back? and against Muslim law in to the ocean no one knows where, a photo is posted but found to be a dud.
Photo's of the house makes it look like crack house.
No one reports a 40 minute gun fight and sends support.
The Man who won the hide and seek contest every year in a row for 9 yrs is dead....again
Only the facts have been changed to protect the Innocent.
 
Does Moon Landing ring a bell?

(Acyually I know they have landed on the Moon as
The in house Rocket scientist (Son) uses data sent to and from the moon in his work.
According to him it is impossible to setup without humans---so it just wouldnt work.
(Laser)

But lets say he is still alive.
Terrorist attacks can now be deployed then by Bin Laden with no fear of being the culprit ---- no one is looking for him-----he is now dead----so invisible.
If he still is alive ---he'd be the happiest guy on the planet.
 
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