Usama still alive

[Garpal Gumnut]

I have, a few minutes ago, received information that Shayak Usama is alive and being waterboarded in a cabin on the Appalachian Trail.

His suffering has only begun, what a glorious slow silent end for such a monster. And all in the quiet sanctuary of an empire that has declared him dead, and the world agrees.

Schadenfreude.

gg

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Every time you say something on this forum, it's weird.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Every time you say something on this forum, it's weird.

Sometimes GB, truth is stranger than fiction.

Think about it.

Why kill him when he can be captured and interrogated.

Everyone has swallowed the story of death and burial at sea.

Let him suffer, I say.

gg

 

[Gringotts Bank]

No one should be waterboarded, no matter what crimes have been committed. It's the most extreme and horrific of tortures. He's dead, fine. Leave it alone. Nothing to be celebrated. Evil can't be combated with more evil. Simply doesn't work.

 

[Glen48]

In an interview with Dumbasfelt he claim He and Dubya could not capture Bin Linder because they didn't have the intelligence , also Bin Linder was shot in the head why not overpower him sounds like he was unarmed and would have to be worth more alive than dead.
How can choppers land near a compound with out making a lot of noise???

 

[nunthewiser]

Intell can be gathered in many ways.....sometimes via torture...... its a game both sides can play......

would be nice to have all those involved in one big boxing rink with queensbury rules but that just aint going to happen...

perhaps we can have a "we are at war" handbook that both sides can stick to regardless of there capabilities and all live in war in perfect harmony....

makes me want a coke

 

[trainspotter]

makes me want a coke

I'm hearing you ........ "Life goes better with *insert word here*"

Rather fortuitous for the Obama administration would you not think? Polls are slipping, country is in massive debt, dollar is falling, unemployment is biting, losing grip as a super power and WHAT ???????? You've killed Osama bin Hiding?? REALLY???????

OMFG ....... I will vote for you. Got proof? Ummmm yeppers ...... we got some dodgy fotoshop piccys and some DNA samples as well as some grainy footage from the raid. Will that do?

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ............. vote Team Obama

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I am told he is singing , like a canary, without thought for kin nor kith nor god.

What a delicious end for a mass murderer.

To be forgotten, as dead, and be alive to his enemies.

This is some recompense for the atrocities he committed.

gg

 

[Slipperz]

I'm hearing you ........ "Life goes better with *insert word here*"

Rather fortuitous for the Obama administration would you not think? Polls are slipping, country is in massive debt, dollar is falling, unemployment is biting, losing grip as a super power and WHAT ???????? You've killed Osama bin Hiding?? REALLY???????

OMFG ....... I will vote for you. Got proof? Ummmm yeppers ...... we got some dodgy fotoshop piccys and some DNA samples as well as some grainy footage from the raid. Will that do?

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ............. vote Team Obama

I would respectfully suggest it was done with the goal of saving innocent lives from another attack rather than being an opinion poll driven event.

It's not just about 9/11, it's about the Sari Club and 88 dead Australians, the train bombings in Madrid and the underground in London that scared the crap out of every commuter in the western world and a few that failed like Richard Reid.

9/11 runs pretty deep in the American psyche. When the US govt says they killed Bin Laden you can be pretty sure he won't be popping up on Al Jazzera with another smoking ruins behind him going " gotcha again" and making them look like liars and fools.

 

[Calliope]

I would respectfully suggest it was done with the goal of saving innocent lives from another attack rather than being an opinion poll driven event.

And I would respectfully suggest that you are a political innocent.

And GG I am surprised that you are allowed to troll like this;

I have, a few minutes ago, received information that Shayak Usama is alive and being waterboarded in a cabin on the Appalachian Trail.

 

[Julia]

I would respectfully suggest it was done with the goal of saving innocent lives from another attack rather than being an opinion poll driven event.

Slipperz, if he is indeed dead, the irony will be that more lives will probably be lost in attacks attempting to avenge his death, such as have already been promised by some of the Muslim world.

 

[Glen48]

[Editor's Note: The Money Morning news team would like to express our gratitude for the brave and effective Special Forces who carried out the mission that brought about the demise of Osama bin Laden, and to also give due credit to U.S. President Barack Obama for taking the political and military risk that led to this triumph. We also want to explain what this development means for you.]

By Martin Hutchinson, Contributing Editor, Money Morning
The finding and killing of Osama bin Laden after 10 years of searching is clearly being heralded as an enormous U.S. victory.

But once you look past the news itself, the death of bin Laden brings to light some highly worrisome revelations about Pakistan. And those revelations have some potentially serious long-term implications for the Dow Jones Industrial Average - and for your money and future financial security.

So let's look at the longer-term implications of the death of bin Laden, the troubling new insights that we've gained about the "real" Pakistan, and how this development actually injects even more geopolitical uncertainty into an already uncertain world.


Email this | PrintAbout the Author | Syndicate | Share
Related Stories
Hot Stocks: Starbucks Turnaround Brings Back the Grande Profits

Healthcare Companies on Remarkable Rise After a Decade-Long Decline
Related Reports
Uranium Prices: How To Profit As Uranium Prices Hit $140

The U.S. Government Shutdown: How To Profit From The Federal Government Furlough
Latest Comment
There are no comments on this post. Be the first to comment!…
.
Special Report:
How to Profit from the Global
“Big-Oil Bailout”

Sign up now to receive this free report from Dr. Kent Moors.
Enter Email Address Here:




The Death of bin Laden
Late Sunday, the networks interrupted regularly scheduled programming to announce that bin Laden, the 54-year-old mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks that killed thousands of Americans, had been killed himself. According to an NBC News report, the firefight that ended the highly emotional decade-long manhunt took place in a "luxury hideout" in a compound in the Pakistan city of Abbottabad.

U.S. Navy SEALS and paramilitary forces of the CIA reportedly conducted the raid, leading U.S. President Barack Obama to tell the American people in a late-night television appearance that "justice has been done."

The death of bin Laden was the news.

But here's the real story.

Unfortunately, bin Laden's death will make very little difference to the effectiveness of the terrorist network known as al-Qaida. For several years now, since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001 disrupted its command center, that terrorist network has been run very much like a business-franchise operation, with operations in a number of countries sharing resources, ideas, training and know-how - but little in the way of direct operational control from the center.

As with such a franchise operation, the death of the founder makes only a modest amount of difference. Indeed, the operational control from al-Qaida's center was so loose that the effect of bin Laden's removal is less than that of the death of Ray Kroc at McDonald's Corp. (NYSE: MCD), where Kroc had been involved in central-policy formation.

Instead, it was more like the death of Harland "Colonel" Sanders at Kentucky Fried Chicken, where Sanders had been a figurehead, advertising symbol and inventor of a batter, but not an operational manager.

The comparison may appear frivolous, but it encapsulates an essential truth: While there may be an adverse effect on the morale of al-Qaida operatives, there is unlikely to be a long-run diminution in their ruthlessness and effectiveness. The Global War on Terror, as distinct from the rather separate military campaigns in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, will continue at undiminished ferocity.

And that brings us to the truly disturbing aspect of Sunday's news - the "real" story about Pakistan.


The Real Story About Pakistan
When he was run to ground on Sunday, bin Laden wasn't holed up in a hovel or a cave in Pakistan's bleak-and-barren mountainous north. Instead, the world's-most-sought-after terrorist was luxuriating in a million-dollar compound that was sitting a mere 500 yards from the Pakistani military barracks in Abbottabad, which itself is a mere 30 miles from Islamabad, that country's capital.

This striking fact - coupled with former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf's complaint that the United States violated Pakistan's sovereignty - suggests that Pakistan's pretense of alliance with the United States has been a false façade.

Even worse: The circumstances surrounding the death of bin Laden says that a large part - perhaps even a majority - of Pakistan's military is violently anti-American.

Combine this newfound reality with the strong anti-American feeling in the Pakistani population, and you have a major new danger: A hostile nation - 170 million strong - that is a nuclear power.

Even if Pakistan cannot be considered truly hostile at the present time, there must be a substantial danger that the next upheaval in the country's weak government could make it so.

This may be the true cost of the 10-year War on Terror. Pakistan has historically been a close ally of the United States. But the military actions that have been required to prosecute the War on Terror have been used by unfriendly elements within Pakistan to gradually transform the country into a deadly potential enemy.

And that's a sad-and-tragic outcome: Had bin Laden been captured in the Tora Bora caves in November 2001 - and the Afghan campaign wound down thereafter (without any invasion of Iraq) - the radicalization of Pakistan would have been most unlikely.

Unfortunately, all of that did occur, and is now a historical fact, meaning the political and economic equations have been forever changed for the West.

A hostile and nuclear-armed Pakistan is a grave reality, for it substantially elevates the element of risk in the world economy and in world markets. We have been worrying for five years about the possibility of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, yet Pakistan - which is much poorer, since it has no oil - has a population that's more than double that of Iran.

Furthermore, Iran does not yet have a single nuclear weapon. But Pakistan is estimated to have 70 to 90 nuclear warheads and is thought to have medium-range missiles with a range of 2,500 miles. In addition, Pakistan's nuclear missile program is relatively sophisticated, with a number of nasty tricks - such as spiking their plutonium-based nuclear weapons with a bit of tritium, a bit of engineering that can increase the yield of each warhead by 300% to 400%.


The Death of bin Laden, Pakistan and the Dow
With a hostile Pakistan, the probability of nuclear terrorism or even a nuclear war is greatly increased. Accordingly, the current overvaluation of global stock and financial-asset prices could prove to be especially egregious.

The optimism of global stock markets since the financial crash of 2009 has been truly misplaced, fed as it has been by the highly distorting monetary policies of the U.S. Federal Reserve, and its chairman, Ben S. Bernanke.

The U.S. stock market remains hugely above its levels of early 1995, the point at which U.S. monetary policy became over-expansionary.

The Dow Jones in February 1995 passed 4,000 for the first time - a point that, in and of itself, was 50% above the speculative peak of 1987. If the Dow had increased - just in line with nominal gross domestic product (GDP) - it today would be standing at around 8,000. (The Dow closed yesterday at 12,807.36, down 3.18 points, or 0.02%. That's represents an increase of about 92% from the March 9, 2009 bear-market bottom, and keeps the closely followed blue-chip index up near its post-crash high.)

However, the world is a great deal less secure both politically and economically than it appeared in the tranquil days of 1995 - and the revelations the death of bin Laden has brought to light about a potentially not-so-friendly Pakistan only makes it even less so.

Hence, a current Dow level of 12,800 isn't just overvalued by as much as 50% - it could be as much as three times above where it should be.

And while we hope this would never be the case, the fact is that some event as yet unforeseen could cause this overvaluation to unwind, and the Dow to correct.

What's more, if this event happened to be the "just-right" kind of geopolitical trigger - hopefully not a direct act of nuclear terrorism - it could be enough to spill the Dow down toward 4,000.

Fortunately, as is always the case, if you understand something, you can take actions to protect yourself - and your financial future.


[Action to Take: Before you dismiss this out-of-hand, it's important to remember two things:


•First, this is more a warning than a prediction, but it's worth viewing it as the latter in terms of at least taking some steps to protect yourself. Why do we say this? That's simple. It's because ...
•Second, Martin has issued a similarly dire warning before - and been lauded by Slate magazine for being perhaps closer to anyone in the financial markets for predicting how bad the 2009 bear market would actually be. (In June 2008 - a point in time when the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up above 12,000, and most folks were calling for the Dow to go higher, and not lower - Hutchinson predicted the 30-stock blue-chip index could nosedive all the way to 7,8
.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Thanks glen,

The US have managed the greatest revenge on ole Usama.

As he sits in a cabin in Appalachians being interrogated, his supporters wax none too lyrically about his death.

What a joke.

gg

 

[Glen48]

Hope he well hidden otherwise the Pakki's well strom in and want him back..

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Glen, your concerns for Usama's well being have been noted.

He now rests in the tender arms of the CIA.

Do not fear that the Paki's will get him.

He is as safe as he will ever be.

gg

 

[ghotib]

Get real people. Elvis has left the building and Bin Laden is singing at Graceland.

Sheesh!!!

Ghoti

 

[Muschu]

I have, a few minutes ago, received information that Shayak Usama is alive and being waterboarded in a cabin on the Appalachian Trail.

His suffering has only begun, what a glorious slow silent end for such a monster. And all in the quiet sanctuary of an empire that has declared him dead, and the world agrees.

Schadenfreude.

gg

The level and range of your contacts is amazing -- and from Townsville too.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

No body

Conflicting stories about his demise

No body

Witnesses with varying accounts about his last moments

No body

His family in the care of an evil secret service in Pakistan

No body

A traumatised US seeking closure

No body

I prefer to think he's dead

No body

I'd just like to know the evil bastard is dead

gg

 

[bellenuit]

No body

I'd just like to know the evil bastard is dead

He may not be dead, but he is effectively dead.

 

[basilio]

Ah GG I have found the corroboration for your hypothesis on current fate of Osama Bin Laden.

• Bin Laden is alive and being held in a secret location while the US interrogates him about al-Qaida's nuclear arsenal. "Is it possible that Osama bin Laden has been ghosted out of his compound, and we're seeing a show at this point?" asked the rightwing commentator Glenn Beck.

Source: The Glenn Beck Show

http://www.politicususa.com/en/glenn-beck-bin-laden

Of course if you would like some alternative theories check out the whole story.

Cheers


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/05/osama-bin-laden-conspiracy-theories?intcmp=239