Osama Bin Laden Dead?

[basilio]

A clever, well done job.

David Hicks wasn't too bright but he had no trouble finding Bin Laden.

And exactly which clever President was on the job in America at that time ? Please remind me..

 

[moXJO]

saw this comment on a news thread

Obama got Osama, funny that the difference between them is BS.

 

[Glen48]

I heard Bin Liner started to shout out May Day.... the other Muslims replied yes it is.

 

[white_goodman]

he's dead, has been for many years now

nice to see them roll this out a week after Obama was proven to be a foreigner

nice stunt to get 4 more years

 

[Calliope]

And exactly which clever President was on the job in America at that time ? Please remind me..

If your hero Obama is such a clever dick, then why doesn't he get his Seals to take out Gaddafi while they are on the job.

Taking out a current mass murderer would be a more productive exercise than assassinating a retired terrorist way past his use-by date. But the "clever" Obama knows there is more political mileage at home in avenging 9/11 than saving the lives of thousands of Libyans. Besides, he says it is NATO's job, not America's.

And most American voters don't even know or care where Libya is.

 

[basilio]

he's dead, has been for many years now

nice to see them roll this out a week after Obama was proven to be a foreigner

nice stunt to get 4 more years

That's really astute Goodman. I'll keep these comments in mind when considering anything you have to say in these forums.

 

[basilio]

If your hero Obama is such a clever dick, then why doesn't he get his Seals to take out Gaddafi while they are on the job.

Taking out a current mass murderer would be a more productive exercise than assassinating a retired terrorist way past his use-by date. But the "clever" Obama knows there is more political mileage at home in avenging 9/11 than saving the lives of thousands of Libyans. Besides, he says it is NATO's job, not America's.

And most American voters don't even know or care where Libya is.

Natch Calliope. I'll get him onto Gaddafi right after he solves the $15 trillion deficit, establishes world peace, singlehandedly wins the NBL basketball playoff and proves he actually is an American.

And you better go and tell Bush, Chaney, Beck and co that there wasn't anything special about cleanly and cleverly bringing Osama to justice and showing that American intelligence and expertise is still a force to be reckoned with.

You don't need to see Obama as a hero to recognise and respect a very well done job. Why not try it and see how it feels to be gracious ?

 

[Greg]

Just revisited this thread and would like to make 2 comments:

1. The reply about DNA coming from a sibling (sister?) that sounds OK to me, but I'm no scientist. I guess if sibling DNA is "proof positive" then maybe the conspiracy theory takes a hit.

2. Was it just me, or did Channel 9 show a photograph of a dead bin Laden on the 6 o'clock news? It was pretty ugly and they prefaced it with, "we don't normally show photos of dead people, but this is such an important event, we feel it is justified". The photo was pretty disturbing (most dead people don't look their best!) and my instinctive reaction was that he seemed fuller on the face than previous pictures. Was it really him or just a body-double? Anyway, it wasn't something I needed to see as I approached the dinner table!

Thanks

 

[basilio]

Just revisited this thread and would like to make 2 comments:

1. The reply about DNA coming from a sibling (sister?) that sounds OK to me, but I'm no scientist. I guess if sibling DNA is "proof positive" then maybe the conspiracy theory takes a hit.

2. Was it just me, or did Channel 9 show a photograph of a dead bin Laden on the 6 o'clock news? It was pretty ugly and they prefaced it with, "we don't normally show photos of dead people, but this is such an important event, we feel it is justified". The photo was pretty disturbing (most dead people don't look their best!) and my instinctive reaction was that he seemed fuller on the face than previous pictures. Was it really him or just a body-double? Anyway, it wasn't something I needed to see as I approached the dinner table!

Thanks

I don't think at this stage there has been a release of the pictures the military took of Osamas body.

There are some fake pictures around which have been used by some media after the event. In fact these photos were bodgied up a few years ago. Worth seeing to get an idea of how we can be misled.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

 

[Calliope]

Natch Calliope. I'll get him onto Gaddafi right after he solves the $15 trillion deficit, establishes world peace, singlehandedly wins the NBL basketball playoff and proves he actually is an American.

Obama, in his braying ass voice, told the world that America can do anything. Gaddafi should be a piece of cake.

 

[basilio]

Funny, I thought this thread was about the death of Osama Bin Laden and not about which other extra judical killings America could embark on. ( Without starting another war of course, creating a huge diplomatic incident or having people think the Yanks had appointed themselves the world judge, jury and executioner ) Just ask yourself what would be our reaction to other countries deciding to simply kill a political leader they didn't like ? That is how WW1 began.

So in principle it is really dangerous to go around killing people you don't like just because you can and/or want to. That is why we have laws and sometimes consequences for such actions. In Osama Bin Ladens case practically everyone (who counted..) had come to the conclusion and acceptance that there was a case for the action President Obama took.

I suggest it would be wrong and just dumb to directly try and kill Col Gaddafi. There are cleverer ways to move him on.

 

[wayneL]

I suggest it would be wrong and just dumb to directly try and kill Col Gaddafi. There are cleverer ways to move him on.

Yeah you're right... but IIRC didn't Obarmy already try that, killing a son and some grandchildren in the attempt?

 

[basilio]

Yeah you're right... but IIRC didn't Obarmy already try that, killing a son and some grandchildren in the attempt?

Interesting point Wayne. However that was a NATO exercise not an American one. Obviously an effort to spread the responsibility for the raid.

And the story was that this was a command and control post of the Libyan government. We can guess that if Colonel Gaddaffi was at the site it would not be bad luck if he got killed.

I think this is a different story from just hunting someone down in their home and killing them which is far closer to what is being suggested and far more difficult to rationalise.

And IMO as part of this thread it is still worthwhile recognising the achievement of President Obama in bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice in itself. Give credit where its due.

____________________________________________________________

And of all the politicians to smear as "barmy " wouldn't President Obama be the absolute last one ? But then this can easily be a reality free forum can't it ?

 

[Calliope]

Funny, I thought this thread was about the death of Osama Bin Laden and not about which other extra judical killings America could embark on. [

Obama justified assassinating Osama based on revenge for 9/11. This is smart politics. Perhaps he could use Lockerbie ( 270 fatalities [259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie] were citizens of 21 nations.) to take out Gaddafi. 190 of the victims were Americans

Problem is...not many votes there. Most Americans (except the relatives of those killed) have never heard of Lockerbie and couldn't give a fig about Gadaffi.

And of all the politicians to smear as "barmy " wouldn't President Obama be the absolute last one ? But then this can easily be a reality free forum can't it ?

No. He would be near the top of the list just below Gillard.

 

[basilio]

Obama justified assassinating Osama based on revenge for 9/11. This is smart politics. Perhaps he could use Lockerbie ( 270 fatalities [259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie] were citizens of 21 nations.) to take out Gaddafi. 190 of the victims were Americans

Problem is...not many votes there. Most Americans (except the relatives of those killed) have never heard of Lockerbie and couldn't give a fig about Gadaffi.

I can agree with your comment regarding the Lockerbie terrorist act. In fact Gaddafi was on Americas hit list for a long time after that piece of work.

But, in fact, Gadaffi managed to rehabiliate himself over time by finally acknowleging Libyas responsibility for the act, paying compensation, distancing himself from terrorism and then "rejoining" the civilised world. It's all there and in fact he has been tacitly and overtly supported by the West for a few years now.

The current situation has arisen because he has not fallen to the local freedom fighters as neatly as other local rulers. But America has not had problems being supporters of ruthless dictators as long as they supported America's interests.

Anyway we are off topic here. I'm finishing my comments on this thread for the day.

Cheers

 

[wayneL]

Interesting point Wayne. However that was a NATO exercise not an American one. Obviously an effort to spread the responsibility for the raid.

And the story was that this was a command and control post of the Libyan government. We can guess that if Colonel Gaddaffi was at the site it would not be bad luck if he got killed.

I think this is a different story from just hunting someone down in their home and killing them which is far closer to what is being suggested and far more difficult to rationalise.

And IMO as part of this thread it is still worthwhile recognising the achievement of President Obama in bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice in itself. Give credit where its due.

____________________________________________________________

And of all the politicians to smear as "barmy " wouldn't President Obama be the absolute last one ? But then this can easily be a reality free forum can't it ?

Basilio,

Please! I have nicknames for all "leaders". It's no more a smear than any other smear-worthy politician. It's just humour... but oh yeah, only left wing humour is permitted in the Orwellian dystopia.

Eg
Dubya
Tony bLiar
Crash Gordon
JuLiar Dullard
Wayne Swine
Johnny Rotten
etc.

But your criticism is just one more point of evidence in your slavish devotion to Mr Obarmy. An acolyte to a false political messiah who will be judged much more harshly by history than the by current devotees of Fabianesque ideology.

In fact Obarmy has merely mirrored the "Get Osama" tenet of the Neo Cons. Very little credit can be apportioned to him, apart from authorizing the action. Credit, if credit is due, belongs to the US special forces and the CIA.

 

[Tanaka]

In fact Obarmy has merely mirrored the "Get Osama" tenet of the Neo Cons. Very little credit can be apportioned to him, apart from authorizing the action. Credit, if credit is due, belongs to the US special forces and the CIA.

:iagree:

 

[Knobby22]

I don't think the CIA should get much credit - 10 years to find him!!

 

[trainspotter]

Apparently the covert operation took place last week. It took awhile for the Pakistanis to agree on the intel and to allow for the operation to go ahead. They also claim to confirm the DNA results. Burial at sea eh? One way to NOT have a shrine I suppose and also in line with Muslim tradition to bury the body ASAP.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/bin-laden-body-buried-sea

May he rest in pieces.

 

[Logique]

Can this be true? Somebody has some explaining to do.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
...The middle circle marks Osama bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad. To the north east, just 1km away, is the Pakistan Military Academy...