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derty said:
OK. Well if you can rationalise that, one can see how you reach your other conclusions. Carry on.
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Thanks derty. Terrorism was around long before they had bombs and the main weapon of intimidation and destruction was arson.
 
derty, do you think the protestors should be allowed to stay up on the roof, having food brought to them etc?

If we were to transpose the situation to inmates of an Australian jail behaving similarly, would we be tolerating a similar situation? Wouldn't the police pretty smartly be directed to bring them down?

I'm not suggesting by asking you this question that you have any responsibility in government or opposition policy. It's just a question I'm a bit surprised has not been pursued by the media, and I'm interested in what your view would be.
 
Let us be careful not to demonise the refugees who have risked all for a better life.

Labor have a lot to answer for in encouraging dangerous migration by desperate people.

I could imagine myself caterwauling on a roof if I were in a similar situation.

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Julia said:
derty, do you think the protestors should be allowed to stay up on the roof, having food brought to them etc?

If we were to transpose the situation to inmates of an Australian jail behaving similarly, would we be tolerating a similar situation? Wouldn't the police pretty smartly be directed to bring them down?

I'm not suggesting by asking you this question that you have any responsibility in government or opposition policy. It's just a question I'm a bit surprised has not been pursued by the media, and I'm interested in what your view would be.
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derty said:
On my scale what these detainees did was commit criminal acts. It should void their application process and they should be deported.
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If the protesters that were on the roof were the same ones that burnt and damaged the centre then they should have been brought down and locked up pending charges.

If they were just up there protesting, not causing damage and not endangering anyone else I can't see a problem with them sitting up there and carrying on. Half the problem is the amount of attention the media gives them. If they were simply ignored they would be off the roof pretty quickly.

It would be interesting to see how you would get them off the roof though. It would be difficult to manhandle them off without seriously endangering the enforcement personnel and the detainee. I know some here would be happy to advocate shooting them or just hosing them off the roof but if one is seriously injured or killed then that will likely instigate more rioting and possibly cause a reaction from members of the same cultural groups already in the community. Weighing that up it is likely more prudent, more expedient and cheaper to let them carry on on the roof than to set off a tinder box.
 
derty said:
...If they were just up there protesting, not causing damage and not endangering anyone else I can't see a problem with them sitting up there and carrying on. Half the problem is the amount of attention the media gives them. If they were simply ignored they would be off the roof pretty quickly.....
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Really? That roof is going to get pretty smelly - everyone's gotta go to the loo...:D

So their excrement goes into the gutters or elsewhere - isn't that a health hazzard? Pretty disgusting in anyone's books.
 
sails said:
Really? That roof is going to get pretty smelly - everyone's gotta go to the loo...:D

So their excrement goes into the gutters or elsewhere - isn't that a health hazzard? Pretty disgusting in anyone's books.
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I jumped into the discussion as I objected to Calliope characterising these guys as terrorists and noco likening it to 911 and now it has been reduced to me being pro them pooing on the roof?? It's great how these things metamorphose. Sheesh :confused:
 
derty said:
I jumped into the discussion as I objected to Calliope characterising these guys as terrorists and noco likening it to 911 and now it has been reduced to me being pro them pooing on the roof?? It's great how these things metamorphose. Sheesh :confused:
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Sense and sensibility seems to have left the room along with the poo down the gutter derty. ;)
 
Asylum seekers became destructive.

It is because we are too nice at Oz.

First of they come and beg asylum. We open our chests both mentally and physically.
Then they rob us. Multiply their numbers. Take our kids inheritance and hard earned tax payers funds. Politicians become extra kind to them for their own glory.

Let us look back why they were kicked off. Torture ? Who verified ? If they felt that way why destruction to your carer ?

Why not they are sent to China or Saudi for instance? Because they will give nothing to them or probably hang them.

I am sure people will shoot me for saying this .

One alternative also could be , just let the police 'accidentally' shoot one of the destructive persons - no will be destructing or seeking asylum to Australia.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Labor have a lot to answer for in encouraging dangerous migration by desperate people.
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That's the crux of the matter.

Their solution has been to treat the symptoms while letting the cause run wild. Any government has to stop the boats.
 
If they are happy to stay on the roof can we give their rooms to other asylum seekers. It would save building new detention centres.
Maybe someone could do on audit on the available roof space at the existing centres. :confused:

Actually while they are up there has anyone thought to ask them to check the insulation? LOL.
 
derty said:
I jumped into the discussion as I objected to Calliope characterising these guys as terrorists and noco likening it to 911 and now it has been reduced to me being pro them pooing on the roof?? It's great how these things metamorphose. Sheesh :confused:
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Sorry, Derty - that isn't how it was intended. I only challenged your previous statement in an earlier post of yours which said,

If they were just up there protesting, not causing damage and not endangering anyone else I can't see a problem with them sitting up there and carrying on.
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And I responded that there would have to be other problems with excrement. Didn't say that you would continue to agree once you realised that point, so please don't jump to conclusions...:)
 
Looks like they didn't get enough attention - police and fire rescue have pulled three women from Bowen's office rooftop this morning according to this article:

From SkyNews: Protesters pulled off Bowen's roof

I wonder how they managed to get them off Bowen's roof, but having so much difficulty at Villawood?
 
derty said:
I jumped into the discussion as I objected to Calliope characterising these guys as terrorists and noco likening it to 911 and now it has been reduced to me being pro them pooing on the roof?? It's great how these things metamorphose. Sheesh :confused:
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Sorry I started you off. I guess I was only engaging in hyperbole or devil's advocate. It's a bad habit of mine. Of course these clowns are not terrorists, and I have no doubt that they will not be rejected for visas.

As a matter of interest, you may remember the riots on Christmas Island in Nov 2009. 150 Afghans and Sri Lankans attacked each other with pool cues, tree branches and broom sticks, and 37 were injured.

Now comes the punch line;
The Immigration Department has confirmed that three Christmas Island detainees convicted after riots in 2009 were subsequently granted a visa late last year
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/...-turned-to-jelly/story-fn6bqphm-1226043830732
 
Miner said:
First of they come and beg asylum. We open our chests both mentally and physically.
Then they rob us. Multiply their numbers. Take our kids inheritance and hard earned tax payers funds. Politicians become extra kind to them for their own glory.
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We vs. them

Are these just blind prejudices or are these based in anyone's reality but your own??

Miner said:
One alternative also could be , just let the police 'accidentally' shoot one of the destructive persons - no will be destructing or seeking asylum to Australia.
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Why stop with just shooting these asylum seekers? Why not go on with shooting all the other people that have come to our country in the past 60 odd years as I'm sure some of them steal our hard earned tax payers funds??? All the indians, pakistanis, malays, chinese etc etc.
 
doctorj said:
We vs. them

Are these just blind prejudices or are these based in anyone's reality but your own??


Why stop with just shooting these asylum seekers? Why not go on with shooting all the other people that have come to our country in the past 60 odd years as I'm sure some of them steal our hard earned tax payers funds??? All the indians, pakistanis, malays, chinese etc etc.
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Mate, there is a standard procedure to apply for asylum. These people rock up on your door unannounced, they have thrown away any identification papers and want to que jump. When they don't get what they want they start burning down the accomodation you supply to them free.
Maybe your idea has merit, let anybody in, get rid of customs and federal police, just have a free for all.
Put it on facebook come to Australia, laid back people, great climate, fantastic social security system, weak as p!!!!!!!!s government. If you have a criminal record don't worry just catch a boat from Bali throw your passport overboard, bypass all the red tape crap.
Jeez doctorj a bit of self analysis wouldn't go astray.
The reality is most western countries are becomming increasingly concerned by the influx of illegal asylum seekers.
 
sptrawler said:
Maybe your idea has merit, let anybody in, get rid of customs and federal police, just have a free for all.
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Actually, that's not what I said at all. I was pointing out that Miner was making brash generalisations about a very large group of people he knows nothing of.

sptrawler said:
Jeez doctorj a bit of self analysis wouldn't go astray.
The reality is most western countries are becomming increasingly concerned by the influx of illegal asylum seekers.
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'Self analysis'? Not sure what you mean here. People are clearly concerned, but there's quite a large difference between analysis and brazen bigotry.
 
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