Liberals Sending WA Broke

[noco]

I can't believe you would say this, saiter.

Politicians over eons have proved themselves to be amongst the least able to be trusted of any occupation. They are primarily motivated by self interest, and the interests of the nation come a very poor second.
Add to this that they are largely incompetent and I can see absolutely no reason to imagine they will ever be capable of acting in any sort of trustworthy way.

Julia, I don't know why you would tar them all with the same brush. Just because you get one or two rotten apples in the basket, doesn't mean to say they are all the same.

I've known some good ones in the past and our current federal member in Townsville is of very fine character, is popular and doing a damn fine job.

 

[sptrawler]

Disagree this is worth going into $20 bil dept better than say....a NBN

Interesting no one has really bought into the argument seriously.

Whats $20 bil with cost blow outs

How much has the cost of rates, electricity and water risen under Barnett.......... 40% plus and still going, where is all the shrill screams of injustice that we hear from the other threads..........

BTW the train line that Alana delivered against stiff opposition from the coalition has the highest passenger usage of any of the Perth lines.

Well Ifocus, not wanting to get into a mine is bigger than yours, over union membership.
We can focus on the Barnett price increases. When the S.E.C, or Western Power was desegregated by labor, guess who carried all the debt, you guessed it Verve.
Like when Alinta was floated guess who carried the debt for the pipeline. You guessed it, Western power..
So from all this we can ascertain that the price increase for electricity had to eventually happen as the company carrying it got smaller and smaller. Therefore it got harder to hide.
As for the the Alana train, read through the earlier posts, it could have been delivered in a more expeditious way. Then they may have still been in Government.

 

[IFocus]

Well Ifocus, not wanting to get into a mine is bigger than yours, over union membership.
We can focus on the Barnett price increases. When the S.E.C, or Western Power was desegregated by labor, guess who carried all the debt, you guessed it Verve.
Like when Alinta was floated guess who carried the debt for the pipeline. You guessed it, Western power..
So from all this we can ascertain that the price increase for electricity had to eventually happen as the company carrying it got smaller and smaller. Therefore it got harder to hide.
As for the the Alana train, read through the earlier posts, it could have been delivered in a more expeditious way. Then they may have still been in Government.

To be fair both sides screwed the states utilities often taking the profits into revenue at the cost of aging infrastructure neither side is is with out sin but Barnett is the current state head honcho and has to shoulder the responsibility especially since he bought off the nationals with the royalties for regions cash splash again quietly forgotten.

We will have to agree to disagree re the rail line, for me the narrows was always the best option taking the long term view but the the main issue was the risk of going underground in the CBD which is where Labor actually grew some balls and pulled it off.

Had this gone pear shape then it would have been a disaster.

$20 bil is still way off the dial and new territory for the state treasury also fascinating Barnett's response to the projection.

 

[sptrawler]

To be fair both sides screwed the states utilities often taking the profits into revenue at the cost of aging infrastructure neither side is is with out sin but Barnett is the current state head honcho and has to shoulder the responsibility especially since he bought off the nationals with the royalties for regions cash splash again quietly forgotten.

We will have to agree to disagree re the rail line, for me the narrows was always the best option taking the long term view but the the main issue was the risk of going underground in the CBD which is where Labor actually grew some balls and pulled it off.

Had this gone pear shape then it would have been a disaster.

Well mate we seem to be on the same song sheet. Fortunatelly I was lucky enough to know a great union guy(who unfortunatley passed away recently) and he always said Barnett was the only politician he had met that had a brain. I respected his advice then and nobody has proven him wrong yet.

 

[Smurf1976]

Downsides?Cant remember many big jobs in WA where the ETU has not got a better deal for sparkies.
Gorgon on Barrow is a union job 26days on 9days off labourers wil earn more than 200k per year.
Not a bad earner!

I meant downsides to the electrical trade in general, not specifically referring to the ETU. Yes there's some money in it compared to some other jobs, but there's reasons for that.

Plenty will say it's easy and over paid compared to this, that or some other job. Mostly it's the anti-union types who make such comments. That's true maybe if comparing to someone who changes light switches all day, but absolutely not true if comparing to someone who fault finds industrial control systems etc.

Anyway, getting a bit off topic here...

 

[sptrawler]

Downsides?Cant remember many big jobs in WA where the ETU has not got a better deal for sparkies.
Gorgon on Barrow is a union job 26days on 9days off labourers wil earn more than 200k per year.
Not a bad earner!

Well son do the figures, 26+9 =35 day cycle, approx 10 cycles /yr. 26x12hr= 260hr/cycle then times 10 cycles= 2600hr/yr. Then divide $200,000/2600hr thats $76/hr.
Thats not that great for approx 4weeks on one week off, not much of a life after you take out tax.
Might be good for a single guy, but doesn't cut it for a family.
Also don't forget it is a 50hr week not a 37hr week i.e you would be doing 13hrs overtime so it probably only equates to $50/hr. If you consider you are working weekends as well it really does make you wonder if you are being blinded by the $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

 

[todster]

Well mate we seem to be on the same song sheet. Fortunatelly I was lucky enough to know a great union guy(who unfortunatley passed away recently) and he always said Barnett was the only politician he had met that had a brain. I respected his advice then and nobody has proven him wrong yet.

Ok as you see me as semi retarded can you run me through the Barnett the brains plan to run water through a canal from the Kimberley region to Perth.
PS small words only.

 

[todster]

Well son do the figures, 26+9 =35 day cycle, approx 10 cycles /yr. 26x12hr= 260hr/cycle then times 10 cycles= 2600hr/yr. Then divide $200,000/2600hr thats $76/hr.
Thats not that great for approx 4weeks on one week off, not much of a life after you take out tax.
Might be good for a single guy, but doesn't cut it for a family.
Also don't forget it is a 50hr week not a 37hr week i.e you would be doing 13hrs overtime so it probably only equates to $50/hr. If you consider you are working weekends as well it really does make you wonder if you are being blinded by the $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Annual leave all RDO payed at completion(1afortnight)and all sickies payed.PIP.Redundancy 24 hour insurance read it again thats for a labourer

 

[sptrawler]

Ok as you see me as semi retarded can you run me through the Barnett the brains plan to run water through a canal from the Kimberley region to Perth.
PS small words only.

O.K The biggest problem for W.A's development is water. We let out one years usage from Argyle every three days.
The problem is the cost of pumping it to Perth at the moment we would have to use diesel and that would cost stupid amounts of money.
If we can get gas to the Kimberley and use gas pumps the cost would be reduced heaps. Also the gas and water can go down the same pipe and be seperated.
The benefit of getting reliable water to the pilbara is imeasurable.
Maybe that is why Barnett is pushing for the gas hub at Broome DUH. I'm no brain surgen but it makes a whole lot of sense to me.

 

[sptrawler]

Annual leave all RDO payed at completion(1afortnight)and all sickies payed.PIP.Redundancy 24 hour insurance read it again thats for a labourer

Sounds good to me son jump at it, I'll just struggle along on.

 

[todster]

O.K The biggest problem for W.A's development is water. We let out one years usage from Argyle every three days.
The problem is the cost of pumping it to Perth at the moment we would have to use diesel and that would cost stupid amounts of money.
If we can get gas to the Kimberley and use gas pumps the cost would be reduced heaps. Also the gas and water can go down the same pipe and be seperated.
The benefit of getting reliable water to the pilbara is imeasurable.
Maybe that is why Barnett is pushing for the gas hub at Broome DUH. I'm no brain surgen but it makes a whole lot of sense to me.

What about the canal bit

 

[Smurf1976]

Annual leave all RDO payed at completion(1afortnight)and all sickies payed.PIP.Redundancy 24 hour insurance read it again thats for a labourer

Different things suit different people. Some want the $, others just want enough to live on. Each to their own...

Personally, I've been there and done that with the working 7 days a week + being on call thing. I'd do it again if I needed to, but the novelty does wear off after a while.

As for development in WA and specifically water, I'll just note that the problem isn't lack of it per se, it's just that it isn't in the places where people want to use it. It's a solvable problem at a (rather large) cost.

 

[todster]

O.K The biggest problem for W.A's development is water. We let out one years usage from Argyle every three days.
The problem is the cost of pumping it to Perth at the moment we would have to use diesel and that would cost stupid amounts of money.
If we can get gas to the Kimberley and use gas pumps the cost would be reduced heaps. Also the gas and water can go down the same pipe and be seperated.
The benefit of getting reliable water to the pilbara is imeasurable.
Maybe that is why Barnett is pushing for the gas hub at Broome DUH. I'm no brain surgen but it makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Sounds good to me son jump at it, I'll just struggle along on.

I imagine still doing shift work at your age would be a struggle but chin up mate we can't all be winners.

 

[nunthewiser]

LOL @ "son"

i have deleted the rest of this post as it is not my place to call anyone a condecending ole fart as the comments are not directed at me.

barnett is a joke.

sorry for the interuption, as you were

 

[IFocus]

Different things suit different people. Some want the $, others just want enough to live on. Each to their own...

Personally, I've been there and done that with the working 7 days a week + being on call thing. I'd do it again if I needed to, but the novelty does wear off after a while.

I think todster talking about construction which always gets a longer rotation BTW the union movement have been a godsend for safety in the construction industry here in WA.

As for development in WA and specifically water, I'll just note that the problem isn't lack of it per se, it's just that it isn't in the places where people want to use it. It's a solvable problem at a (rather large) cost.

Yes sums it up, Barnett went to a previous election with a completely hair brain scheme of building a canal from the Kimberly to Perth (about 3700 KM) at $15 bil cost would have been $6 per kl compared with Reverse Osmosis Plant (desalination plant) cost of $1.17 / kl.

Costs are from memory

Study here if anyone interested

http://www.watercorporation.com.au/...ster/12/Kimberley_Pipeline_Project_Review.pdf

 

[drsmith]

Disagree this is worth going into $20 bil dept better than say....a NBN

Interesting no one has really bought into the argument seriously.

Whats $20 bil with cost blow outs

How much has the cost of rates, electricity and water risen under Barnett.......... 40% plus and still going, where is all the shrill screams of injustice that we hear from the other threads..........

BTW the train line that Alana delivered against stiff opposition from the coalition has the highest passenger usage of any of the Perth lines.

It's sad to see such a dedicated supporter of the Labor faith reduced to state politics.

It must be like trading Pokemon cards instead of shares.

 

[sptrawler]

LOL @ "son"

i have deleted the rest of this post as it is not my place to call anyone a condecending ole fart as the comments are not directed at me.

barnett is a joke.

sorry for the interuption, as you were

No malice intended just a bit of friendly banter, Todster seems like a good bloke and taking it as intended, just a bit of fun. Lightens up another otherwise dry subject.

 

[IFocus]

It must be like trading Pokemon cards instead of shares.

LOL more like futures / stocks both will sent you broke.

But seriously $20 bil projection is of a concern.

 

[tryin hard]

I would have thought the biggest problem with Perth is the sprawling suburbs. The further it goes north and south the more infasructor is needed. Perth has had alack of power in summer and a lack of good transport and still has a lack of water.

Why worry about a new football oval if some of these things are not addressed properly.

 

[drsmith]

Why worry about a new football oval if some of these things are not addressed properly.

I wonder whether we are being softened up for the delaying of a few projects.

I hope so with the first being that waterfront project. I'm trying to imagine the outcry if a state government suggested anything like that in Adelaide's park lands. They at least value their open spaces around the CBD there.