Liberals Sending WA Broke

[drsmith]

This was about spending money wisely on infrastructure so you didn't have to revisit at a later date.

With regard to spending money wisely, I wonder how much Roe Highway stage 8 is going to cost even before the first shovel hits the dirt.

The image below is the project development team and between them, the project website is one of the worst I have ever visited.

http://www.southmetroconnect.com.au/Design/The+Design+Development+Process/default.aspx

There's a lot of money going down the funnel to pay that lot.

 

[sptrawler]

In response to that drsmith, I use the Roe hwy to go too and from work, check it out on a friday night. Normaly from my house to work in Kwinana 20-25min. On fri it takes 30min to get from the Roe onto the freeway all up takes 1hr.
The Roe has to go through to freo area to get the trucks out to midland. The north quay is at capacity and the container terminal has to be moved to kwinana. The Roe has to move on just think about it. Life doesn't stay at a standstill, more population, more containers have to get off the wharfs. More people have to use the freeway. It all goes back to our original debate.
All governments have to spend money to put in infrastructure. It just appears the liberals seem to have a long term view and the labor have a short term view. I must admit labor is warm and fuzzy but that wears thin really quickly.

 

[todster]

Jeez todster go back and read the second entry, we were saying about spending money wisely, Son you have one mouth and two ears use them acordingly.

Well i reckon they did spend the money wisely on quality infrastructure.
Pretty sure i know what you have two of

 

[sptrawler]

Time will tell todster and I don't think we will have to wait long before we know who has 2. hahaha. Lets wait and see.

 

[drsmith]

In response to that drsmith, I use the Roe hwy to go too and from work, check it out on a friday night. Normaly from my house to work in Kwinana 20-25min. On fri it takes 30min to get from the Roe onto the freeway all up takes 1hr.
The Roe has to go through to freo area to get the trucks out to midland. The north quay is at capacity and the container terminal has to be moved to kwinana. The Roe has to move on just think about it. Life doesn't stay at a standstill, more population, more containers have to get off the wharfs. More people have to use the freeway. It all goes back to our original debate.
All governments have to spend money to put in infrastructure. It just appears the liberals seem to have a long term view and the labor have a short term view. I must admit labor is warm and fuzzy but that wears thin really quickly.

I'm not against Roe 8 as such, but the process of getting there strikes me as one where there is a lot of bureaucratic expense.

In my view, the previous government were absolutely mad to sell lend set aside for the Fremantle Eastern Bypass. The only thing that stopped them selling the land set aside for Roe 8 was a threat by the Federal Government to withdraw funding for Roe 7 (South Street to Kwinana Freeway). The South Australian government did this sort of thing on a much grander scale in Adelaide with the result being a north/south corridor (Main South Road) that is little more than an urban goat track in comparison to the Kwinana/Mitchell Freeways and a very expensive problem to fix.

I suspect Roe 8 will be delayed. It's currently unfunded and politically sensitive in relation to the wetlands it would pass through. An expense blowout with other capital works will give the government an excuse to put it on the back burner.

 

[todster]

In response to that drsmith, I use the Roe hwy to go too and from work, check it out on a friday night. Normaly from my house to work in Kwinana 20-25min. On fri it takes 30min to get from the Roe onto the freeway all up takes 1hr.
The Roe has to go through to freo area to get the trucks out to midland. The north quay is at capacity and the container terminal has to be moved to kwinana. The Roe has to move on just think about it. Life doesn't stay at a standstill, more population, more containers have to get off the wharfs. More people have to use the freeway. It all goes back to our original debate.
All governments have to spend money to put in infrastructure. It just appears the liberals seem to have a long term view and the labor have a short term view. I must admit labor is warm and fuzzy but that wears thin really quickly.

Sheds a bit of light on why your so bitter about the train going through South Perth

 

[sptrawler]

I'm not against Roe 8 as such, but the process of getting there strikes me as one where there is a lot of bureaucratic expense.

In my view, the previous government were absolutely mad to sell lend set aside for the Fremantle Eastern Bypass. The only thing that stopped them selling the land set aside for Roe 8 was a threat by the Federal Government to withdraw funding for Roe 7 (South Street to Kwinana Freeway). The South Australian government did this sort of thing on a much grander scale in Adelaide with the result being a north/south corridor (Main South Road) that is little more than an urban goat track in comparison to the Kwinana/Mitchell Freeways and a very expensive problem to fix.

I suspect Roe 8 will be delayed. It's currently unfunded and politically sensitive in relation to the wetlands it would pass through. An expense blowout with other capital works will give the government an excuse to put it on the back burner.

All major cities in the world have a ring road. It is essential in diverting traffic from the centre of the city. The Read, Tonkin,Roe are the ring road for Perth. The problem is getting the connection, labor tried to get votes and money by selling off properties previously bought. What a bloody stupid thing to do when you are trying to improve infrastructure and the properties had already been bought.
They used the excuse of the wetlands between bibra lake and north lake.
Well the highway could have been bridged over and lets get real bibra lake and north lake are dry.
Like I keep saying we have to deal with real problems not keep saying they aren't occuring.

 

[sptrawler]

Sheds a bit of light on why your so bitter about the train going through South Perth

Jeez son, you do need to grow up, the train has nothing to do with my trip to work I work shift work, trains don't run 24/7 and don't run to where the real work happens.
JUST GO BACK THROUGH THE POSTS, SLOWLY, AND ABSORB THE INFORMATION. If after that you can sit with someone and run through your responses and then they become relevant, post them. Otherwise put up something that has relevance.
If you can't do that put up for preselection for the W.A Labor party. I think you have a good chance. Obviously you are in complete denial of relevant facts and would prefer to work in a world of fantasy and fiction. Best of luck mate its a hard road and then you come out like me.
By the way I'm a sparky, nothing special.

 

[sptrawler]

Well todster, the dockers game is over, so back to you. I will watch your posts with interest mate, I see a lot of myself 20years ago in your posts.
It will be interesting, best of luck and hold the faith as long as you can. :

 

[todster]

Jeez son, you do need to grow up, the train has nothing to do with my trip to work I work shift work, trains don't run 24/7 and don't run to where the real work happens.
JUST GO BACK THROUGH THE POSTS, SLOWLY, AND ABSORB THE INFORMATION. If after that you can sit with someone and run through your responses and then they become relevant, post them. Otherwise put up something that has relevance.
If you can't do that put up for preselection for the W.A Labor party. I think you have a good chance. Obviously you are in complete denial of relevant facts and would prefer to work in a world of fantasy and fiction. Best of luck mate its a hard road and then you come out like me.
By the way I'm a sparky, nothing special.

Many don't use the train solely for work,some catch it to see the Dockers play.
Sparky,not in the ETU but like the benefits?
3 wires 4years lol

 

[sptrawler]

Many don't use the train solely for work,some catch it to see the Dockers play.
Sparky,not in the ETU but like the benefits?
3 wires 4years lol

I was in the ETU when Wally Woods was a boy and the elec licence cost 50c/annum. LOL

 

[todster]

I was in the ETU when Wally Woods was a boy and the elec licence cost 50c/annum. LOL

And your doing shift work?

 

[sptrawler]

Ah grasshopper, not neccasarilly work as sparky.

 

[saiter]

Liberals are the better money managers......right

How come WA is running up a $20 billion dept when Labor left the treasury in good shape.

Look away now if you are a Liberal supporter



Liberals manage big projects better......... right

"Big projects could leave $2b black hole"





http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/9252675/big-projects-could-leave-2b-black-hole/

Am I in a dream world?

All this time the LNP promised me that they were a fiscally responsible party, continuously referring to the Howard-Costello era of superior economic management, whilst they WA LNP drove the state's balance sheet deep into the red! If we can't trust politicians, who can we trust? :

 

[Smurf1976]

Victoria almost went broke under Labor in the late 1980's - very early 90's. Tasmania did the same thing at the same time under the only majority Liberal government it had ever had. Meanwhile the State Bank brought financial chaos to SA.

Along came the 1990's and Victorians elected a Liberal government to fix the finances. Meanwhile Tasmanians elected a Labor-Green government to fix that state's finances.

Then the Liberals got back in in Tas and the state's economy went belly up again. Then Labor got back in and turned things around. Now, over 12 years later, the state seems to be going broke again, this time under a Labor-Green government with the Liberals not even remotely involved. Meanwhile in Victoria, the books may look OK but there's more than enough evidence of run down infrastructure and the like.

Based on the experiences of Vic, Tas and SA I'd argue that who is in power is far less relevant than when they are in power. Governments either go broke or batten down the hatches pretty much all at once, regardless of whether they are Liberal, Labor, Green, Democrat, Republican, Conservative or whatever else you like to call them.

Look on the positive side though. If the WA government is actually investing in worthwhile infrastructure then that's more than most of the other states are doing. Argue all you like about whether it should be 6 lanes or 8, at least you're building something.

As for the ETU that someone mentioned... I've been there and been a member of that (not anymore). Yes, it's pretty much a closed shop. But to be perfectly honest, it's by no means the worst such example in any trade or profession. The ETU is just one in a very long list (and for anyone who thinks it's really so lucrative, go become an electrician and join the union - then you'll find out what the downsides are...).

 

[Julia]

( If we can't trust politicians, who can we trust? :

I can't believe you would say this, saiter.

Politicians over eons have proved themselves to be amongst the least able to be trusted of any occupation. They are primarily motivated by self interest, and the interests of the nation come a very poor second.
Add to this that they are largely incompetent and I can see absolutely no reason to imagine they will ever be capable of acting in any sort of trustworthy way.

 

[IFocus]

I was in the ETU when Wally Woods was a boy and the elec licence cost 50c/annum. LOL

I didn't see you any meetings comrade..........I was a member joining at age 15 Smith was still secretary

 

[sptrawler]

Victoria almost went broke under Labor in the late 1980's - very early 90's. Tasmania did the same thing at the same time under the only majority Liberal government it had ever had. Meanwhile the State Bank brought financial chaos to SA.

Along came the 1990's and Victorians elected a Liberal government to fix the finances. Meanwhile Tasmanians elected a Labor-Green government to fix that state's finances.

Then the Liberals got back in in Tas and the state's economy went belly up again. Then Labor got back in and turned things around. Now, over 12 years later, the state seems to be going broke again, this time under a Labor-Green government with the Liberals not even remotely involved. Meanwhile in Victoria, the books may look OK but there's more than enough evidence of run down infrastructure and the like.

Based on the experiences of Vic, Tas and SA I'd argue that who is in power is far less relevant than when they are in power. Governments either go broke or batten down the hatches pretty much all at once, regardless of whether they are Liberal, Labor, Green, Democrat, Republican, Conservative or whatever else you like to call them.

Look on the positive side though. If the WA government is actually investing in worthwhile infrastructure then that's more than most of the other states are doing. Argue all you like about whether it should be 6 lanes or 8, at least you're building something.

As for the ETU that someone mentioned... I've been there and been a member of that (not anymore). Yes, it's pretty much a closed shop. But to be perfectly honest, it's by no means the worst such example in any trade or profession. The ETU is just one in a very long list (and for anyone who thinks it's really so lucrative, go become an electrician and join the union - then you'll find out what the downsides are...).

We are obviously soul mates, been there done that.

 

[IFocus]

The first thing Colin Barnett should is ditch the Perth waterfront project and keep Riverside Drive open.

Disagree this is worth going into $20 bil dept better than say....a NBN

Interesting no one has really bought into the argument seriously.

Whats $20 bil with cost blow outs

How much has the cost of rates, electricity and water risen under Barnett.......... 40% plus and still going, where is all the shrill screams of injustice that we hear from the other threads..........

BTW the train line that Alana delivered against stiff opposition from the coalition has the highest passenger usage of any of the Perth lines.

 

[todster]

Victoria almost went broke under Labor in the late 1980's - very early 90's. Tasmania did the same thing at the same time under the only majority Liberal government it had ever had. Meanwhile the State Bank brought financial chaos to SA.

Along came the 1990's and Victorians elected a Liberal government to fix the finances. Meanwhile Tasmanians elected a Labor-Green government to fix that state's finances.

Then the Liberals got back in in Tas and the state's economy went belly up again. Then Labor got back in and turned things around. Now, over 12 years later, the state seems to be going broke again, this time under a Labor-Green government with the Liberals not even remotely involved. Meanwhile in Victoria, the books may look OK but there's more than enough evidence of run down infrastructure and the like.

Based on the experiences of Vic, Tas and SA I'd argue that who is in power is far less relevant than when they are in power. Governments either go broke or batten down the hatches pretty much all at once, regardless of whether they are Liberal, Labor, Green, Democrat, Republican, Conservative or whatever else you like to call them.

Look on the positive side though. If the WA government is actually investing in worthwhile infrastructure then that's more than most of the other states are doing. Argue all you like about whether it should be 6 lanes or 8, at least you're building something.

As for the ETU that someone mentioned... I've been there and been a member of that (not anymore). Yes, it's pretty much a closed shop. But to be perfectly honest, it's by no means the worst such example in any trade or profession. The ETU is just one in a very long list (and for anyone who thinks it's really so lucrative, go become an electrician and join the union - then you'll find out what the downsides are...).

Downsides?Cant remember many big jobs in WA where the ETU has not got a better deal for sparkies.
Gorgon on Barrow is a union job 26days on 9days off labourers wil earn more than 200k per year.
Not a bad earner!