Asylum Seekers Crash on Christmas Island

[sails]

She was booed on the Oprah show? Really? By Oprah's American fans, or a local Australian audience? Do you have a link to this?

Here's a YouTube video of it on Andrew Bolt's blog: If Gillard is booed even by the Oprah crowd…

The boos can be heard on the video from around 1:00 as Gillard walks on to the stage. Ted Baillieu was much better received by the crowd and then you can hear the boos again around 3:00 when Gillard takes the mic and speaks with those dreaded handsignals...

EDIT: You beat me to it, Bevo - got a phonecall while typing...


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[Macquack]

Here's a YouTube video of it on Andrew Bolt's blog: If Gillard is booed even by the Oprah crowd…

The boos can be heard on the video from around 1:00 as Gillard walks on to the stage. Ted Baillieu was much better received by the crowd and then you can hear the boos again around 3:00 when Gillard takes the mic and speaks with those dreaded handsignals...



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Firstly, Andrew Bolt is a cat.

Secondly, if you consider that video to be booing Julia Gillard, you are way to soft and are showing your obvious bias.

Granted, the crowd's reaction was cool, because they were there to see Oprah not Julia Gillard.

 

[namrog]

Simple, it's the Australian way.....

I can't remember seeing an Australian prime minister not booed, when introduced to a regular crowd, it's just the done thing, and certainly something to be expected from a nothing better to do Oprah crowd...!

 

[sails]

Firstly, Andrew Bolt is a cat.

Secondly, if you consider that video to be booing Julia Gillard, you are way to soft and are showing your obvious bias.

Granted, the crowd's reaction was cool, because they were there to see Oprah not Julia Gillard.

lol - OK here's the video again directly from YouTube (not Andrew Bolt)
And it is the soft border policies that have a lot to answer, IMO.

Yes, we do have our biases - that's what makes politics interesting.
Hopefully, biases for the good of Australia.

Oh, and Ted Baillieu didn't appear to be booed at all - how do you justify that?

[YouTube]5pCNrJgV0C4[/YouTube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pCNrJgV0C4

 

[noco]

Lets get back on track for what this thread is all about folks. What has Oprah Winfrey got to do wth asylum seekers?
This Prime Minister of ours has no idea how to lead this country with any crisis that occurs no matter the magnitude of the problem. In trying to organise a bipartisan inquiry into this tragedy is an admission of not knowing what to do and is trying to shelve some of the responsibility onto the opposition and independants. It's time she took charge. It would appear after having made so many errors in her first 100 days, she has lost confidence in herself to make hard decisions and should resign.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...aster-in-trouble/story-fn59niix-1225972558338

 

[Julia]

The Aussie's booed her lol, can certianly hear it at 3:05 in link below.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...s/if_gillard_is_booed_even_by_the_oprah_crowd

Thanks, Bevo. That's just amazing. Absolutely rude of the audience of course but indicative of their feeling towards her.

Firstly, Andrew Bolt is a cat.

Secondly, if you consider that video to be booing Julia Gillard, you are way to soft and are showing your obvious bias.

Nothing to do with Andrew Bolt, Macquack. Judgement is made purely on the video which clearly demonstrates the crowd's dislike of Ms Gillard.

Simple, it's the Australian way.....

I can't remember seeing an Australian prime minister not booed, when introduced to a regular crowd, it's just the done thing, and certainly something to be expected from a nothing better to do Oprah crowd...!

What absolute nonsense, namrog. If you really believe this (and I don't remember ever hearing a PM booed like that in my almost 20 years in Australia), put up some links to demonstrate what you assert.

It is not the 'Australian way' to be rude to our leaders, unless the people feel very strongly indeed.

Probably Ms Gillard should have anticipated that this was an Oprah-focused crowd and stayed away. Silly woman. She has attempted to associate herself with what a section of the public perceive as a success story, and it has hugely backfired on her. Serves her right for such superficial behaviour.

 

[Calliope]

What absolute nonsense, namrog. If you really believe this (and I don't remember ever hearing a PM booed like that in my almost 20 years in Australia), put up some links to demonstrate what you assert.

It is not the 'Australian way' to be rude to our leaders, unless the people feel very strongly indeed.

Its a traditional thing for Australian sporting crowds.

Some 50,000, mainly fellow Queenslanders, at the cauldron of the common man and woman, Lang Park, gave Rudd the biggest boo of his life at Friday's NRL season opener between the Brisbane Broncos and the North Queensland Cowboys.

http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opi...t-of-lang-park-20100316-qcnj.html?comments=30

Rudd was still riding high in the polls at the time.

 

[Aussiejeff]

Lets get back on track for what this thread is all about folks. What has Oprah Winfrey got to do wth asylum seekers?
This Prime Minister of ours has no idea how to lead this country with any crisis that occurs no matter the magnitude of the problem. In trying to organise a bipartisan inquiry into this tragedy is an admission of not knowing what to do and is trying to shelve some of the responsibility onto the opposition and independants. It's time she took charge. It would appear after having made so many errors in her first 100 days, she has lost confidence in herself to make hard decisions and should resign.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...aster-in-trouble/story-fn59niix-1225972558338

Totally agree with that last sentiment...

In the meantime, the desperate gummint's Spin Doctoring Dept has been ordered into overdrive to deflect criticism of the PM & her lackeys by mounting a media blitz that appears to be foisting all blame for the incident on the Mystery Smuggler.

That's right. It was all HIS fault. HE knowingly sent these unfortunates to their demise. It had NOTHING to do with our Honorable Ministers at all, at all .....

Yep, I smell a Mass Media Spin Storm brewing.....

 

[Calliope]

Bob Katter gets it right. (for a change)

"So until you can clearly indicate, 'You can't get in', they will keep coming".

While there is a demand for the smugglers services, they will provide it. It's called Supply and Demand. It's like the drug trade. The only way to stop it is to cut off the demand, or provide an alternative service.

 

[namrog]

Its a traditional thing for Australian sporting crowds.


http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opi...t-of-lang-park-20100316-qcnj.html?comments=30

Rudd was still riding high in the polls at the time.

Thanks Calliope, glad to see someone's awake, happens all the time....

Obviously Judge Julie doesn't look at too many grand finals, melbourne cups, or other mostly sporting occasions where pollies make a token appearance, in an attempt to show that they can connect with the common man, or in this case, ride on the coat tails of someone elses success...

I'm not saying she didn't deserve to be booed, just that it's not that unusual...

Sorry for sidetracking the thread, what really matters is the tragic loss of innocent life. So many people dying, why ? ...

 

[Julia]

Obviously Judge Julie doesn't look at too many grand finals, melbourne cups, or other mostly sporting occasions where pollies make a token appearance, in an attempt to show that they can connect with the common man, or in this case, ride on the coat tails of someone elses success...

Um, it's Julia, not Julie.
You're right. I don't look at sport.
But this wasn't a sporting occasion. However, your point that she was there wanting to associate herself with all the positivity of Oprah's visit is well made. I'm just astonished that - especially in the presence of the revered Oprah - an Australian audience would be so badly mannered.

And if the booing was so commonplace, as you suggest, why was it so widely commented on across the media?

 

[namrog]

Um, it's Julia, not Julie.

I'm just astonished that - especially in the presence of the revered Oprah - an Australian audience would be so badly mannered.

And if the booing was so commonplace, as you suggest, why was it so widely commented on across the media?

Oh, erm, sorry Julia.

I'm just as astonished, that an Oprah audience was so well informed, !! maybe that's why as you say , it was so widely commented on...!

But when you think about it, and after listening on the news to some of those interviewed that had attended the Oprah show, it was fairly obvious to me at least, which side of the political divide most were likely to have came from ?, so i do agree the booing was certainly louder than you would normally expect....

But none of this helps resolve the real issue ..

 

[noco]

Oh, erm, sorry Julia.

I'm just as astonished, that an Oprah audience was so well informed, !! maybe that's why as you say , it was so widely commented on...!

But when you think about it, and after listening on the news to some of those interviewed that had attended the Oprah show, it was fairly obvious to me at least, which side of the political divide most were likely to have came from ?, so i do agree the booing was certainly louder than you would normally expect....

But none of this helps resolve the real issue ..

Geez, don't tell me Oprah is seeking aslyum too. I thought this thread was about Asylum Seekers Crash on Christmas Island.

 

[Calliope]

It's Gillard's lax asylum policies that created the need for people smugglers.

 

[noco]

The hypocrisy of the the Labor Party and their Green Mates over Asylum Seekers is well known when Andrew Bolt warned Rudd and Gillard on several occassion of what could happen if they allowed the continuation of people smuggling.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/andrewbolt/index.php/couriermail/comments/dd/

 

[Julia]

A letter to the "Weekend Australian" today offers the following suggestion:

The UNHCR can render such trips pointless by a simiple stroke of the pen.
It need only amend the refugee convention to include a clause "that the country in which an individual seeks asylum will not be the country in which that person is ultimately legally resettled".

Adequately funded safe havens would remain guaranteed and the ultimate destination would be determined by the UNHCR, according to need and duration of wait.

This seems a fairly sensible idea. What do others think?

You'd imagine it would stop those people who will travel through multiple countries and include perilous ocean voyages to come all the way to Australia if they knew there was no guarantee they would be admitted to this country.

Regarding the 'soft line' offered by the Greens et al, and highlighted by Michelle Grattan's non-comments, it's notable that none of these people have any answer when you ask them how the people who are sitting patiently in UNHCR camps, waiting their turn, following their orderly application to come here, will be feeling when these asylum seekers who have refused such orderly application are in fact admitted to Australia ahead of them.

 

[bellenuit]

This seems a fairly sensible idea. What do others think?

It has merit, but not as a hard and fast rule. Often the country that a refugee seeks asylum in is the most appropriate country for that person to settle in for cultural and other reasons. For example, Burmese fleeing to Thailand, North Koreans to South Korea etc.

I think a better solution would be to allow signatories to the convention on refugees to have no obligation to accept refugees that arrive through channels unacceptable to that country (unsolicited by boat in the case of Australia). They should be allowed return the boat to the port of departure. There are countless issues even with such a solution, but ultimately unless the solution is acceptable to the host country, there is a real chance that many countries will withdraw completely from the convention if the problems worsen.

 

[tothemax6]

First of all, poor guys. Would be a bad way to go.
But I don't see why there has to be debating about 'the government' when something like this happens. Its like saying we should have debates about what role the government had when somebody ate a bad piece of cheese.
If the governments policy is 'you are not welcome to enter Australia unless you apply and we agree that you can live here', and this policy is clear, that is the best that can be done. If the policy is blurry like 'if you are seeking asylum you can come here', people will attempt the voyage. If the policy is 'anyone can cross the border', then the policy is 'Australia doesn't exist'. The only thing that legitimately delineates nation-states is demographic discontinuities. And if anyone can cross the border, then the border is just a line on a piece of paper and the discontinuity doesn't exist.

 

[DB008]

Bob Katter gets it right. (for a change)

"So until you can clearly indicate, 'You can't get in', they will keep coming".

While there is a demand for the smugglers services, they will provide it. It's called Supply and Demand. It's like the drug trade. The only way to stop it is to cut off the demand, or provide an alternative service.

Great point. Unless the government does something, the boats will keep on coming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Solution

 

[joea]

Prior to the 2007 election, the policy of the Labor party was well known to the overseas countries.
I can clearly remember the Coalition who were in government warning of thousands of people coming to Australia if Labor got into government. Actually 10,000 to be exact.

The Labor government ignored everything the sitting government had to say. If fact
Labor said with great authority that the coalition policy was too tuff.

Well ye all, Labor was voted into power with that asylum policy they made available prior to the election.

So why is it not the people who voted Labor in with their asylum policy not to blame for all these problems.

Gillard is now trying to pull the opposition into some deal to resolve the problem.
Well what she is trying to do is spread the blame over all major parties.
Abbott has declined the offer.

Gillard is a devious politician. The Australians have seen her true side, and it will be up to the Australian people to resolve the current problems, in all Labor policy's.
Her exposure on wilkileaks says it all. In time she will "implode".

As Forrest Gump said " and that's all I got to say about that"
Cheers.