Gobbledygook: Reality, Dreaming or Rubbish?

[Julia]

On an opposition thread today they have been talking about correct grammer, writing and speaking. Many are not happy at how some of us bogans express ourselves.

But explod, what's the point of anyone making a correction if you take no notice?
Again you have 'grammer' rather than 'grammar'!

I have a very old Mercedes Benz and all the family believe I should upgrade. I refuse, cars are not my thing but at times I do need to get from A to B and the old bomb does that. 10 ks to the litre, plenty of power to cut off the odd youngun in a 4 x 4 and the comfort and reliablity is amazing.

Ah, an analogy to which I can completely relate at present.

None of that stopped me from being a good shearer, Father and to a very high level in my later chosen career, in fact I achieved High Distinctions for papers at Uni.

Well, I can quite see that exemplary grammar and spelling would be less than important to a career as a shearer. You probably also made way more money in this capacity than many employed in more academic fields. So it's a good point.
I'll refrain from comment about uni marks, other than perhaps to refer to my earlier comments on the Spelling/Grammar thread about standards of teachers.

Well done for having done the uni thing later in life when it's much harder.

So what is it with communication. Is it not that we should be understood and be able to understand our fellow that is important, I dont' know.

I'm really not sure. In spoken English, I think we more readily accept less than perfect language, but somehow with the printed word it's more glaring.
I suppose when we are engaged in oral conversation we're also absorbed by the other person's body language, warmth of personality etc., but none of that is easily apparent in typed words.

So, I'd say I probably apply a harsher standard to the written word, especially in these days of spell checkers etc.
A lot of the poor spelling and grammar is simply laziness imo.
Obviously, a lot of posters on this great forum don't even bother to read through their posts for typos prior to submitting. How hard is it to do that?

As long as we get the job done and I have good trades the world is sweet in my corner.

OK, fine. None of us are put on this earth to make others happy.

Expanded the vegie patch considerably this afternoon.

That sounds like a satisfying activity. Could we perhaps look at growing vegetables as an analogy for using proper English?
Don't you feel a sense of pride if you can grow, pick and use the perfectly formed ripe tomato, Explod? Isn't it somehow a bit more satisfying than a few wizened, disease-affected specimens which still qualify as food?

Such can be the difference between reading reasonably well constructed English and picking one's way through misspellings and incorrect grammar.

I appreciate that I'm sounding pedantic and picky, but before anyone lambasts me, let's remember that I'm only commenting in the threads on the subject, so if you're not interested in said topic, why not just move on to something that is of more interest.

I'm vaguely reminded of the "Are wine buffs wankers' thread. I'm sure a few people will get the connection.

Very worried about what Benanke is going to do with the Federal Reserve or your money.

Yes, it's a worry right up there with what the Greens will do to the Australian economy.

 

[Boggo]

Yes, it's a worry right up there with what the Greens will do to the Australian economy.

Yes, and I actually agree with Alan Jones on this one !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PeNkI9FYgY

 

[explod]

After copping the wrath from the grip of the grape just thought I would retreat to the nonesense area for awhile.

Ar ha, the two Gs for gg. Gobbledygook and the Grape.

Tried hard to stick up for Julia on the other thread but on ASF she seems to lean a bit to the right and on the thread I thought it was about her being a bit to the left. Should have stayed shearing but the back gave out, some say our brains are at the wrong end.

Julia I am trying with the grammar,

We have the old merk in common,

You do a good job on our written word Julia,

Yep tomatoes over the word anyday, you just cant' win em all ;

And the greens do not really care too much about money, its about making the planet better and everyone haveing a fair go.

Julia, I just love it when you go crook at me, makes me feel wanted.

 

[Julia]

After copping the wrath from the grip of the grape just thought I would retreat to the nonesense area for awhile.

Ar ha, the two Gs for gg. Gobbledygook and the Grape.

Tried hard to stick up for Julia on the other thread but on ASF she seems to lean a bit to the right and on the thread I thought it was about her being a bit to the left. Should have stayed shearing but the back gave out, some say our brains are at the wrong end.

Julia I am trying with the grammar,

We have the old merk in common,

You do a good job on our written word Julia,

Yep tomatoes over the word anyday, you just cant' win em all ;

And the greens do not really care too much about money, its about making the planet better and everyone haveing a fair go.

Julia, I just love it when you go crook at me, makes me feel wanted.

Ah, explod, you know deep down I have an abiding affection for you, doncha!

Agree regarding the Greens lack of respect for money (and yes, I know you didn't put it quite like that), that's just fine if we're talking about their money, but I don't think most of us are all that thrilled about them disregarding the value of our dollars.

 

[explod]

Ah, explod, you know deep down I have an abiding affection for you, doncha!

Agree regarding the Greens lack of respect for money (and yes, I know you didn't put it quite like that), that's just fine if we're talking about their money, but I don't think most of us are all that thrilled about them disregarding the value of our dollars.

As a bit of an aside, our dollars are doing a fine job in their own at the moment.

And you would be proud to know I do a google on every word I think may be wrong now. Of course recognising what is right or wrong is a bit of a problem.

And on the latter, good 4 u, thats just gr8 2

 

[Bat_Ears]

Another thread about postmodernism

 

[explod]

Another thread about postmodernism

That's an interesting observation Bats_Ears,

postmodernity takes the form of a structured chaos because the act or creation, though off the edge or percieved to be out of the norm, is in fact contrived.

Trying to create something that one cannot grapple with is a bit like the dog trying to catch its tail, or if you like, seeking the end to infinity.

Another aspect is the attempt to be different, which is a part of maturing I suppose and at the end we find we are the same.

 

[Julia]

Trying to create something that one cannot grapple with is a bit like the dog trying to catch its tail, or if you like, seeking the end to infinity.

With apologies for being facetious, I did have a dog who had no trouble catching her tail.

 

[explod]

With apologies for being facetious, I did have a dog who had no trouble catching her tail.

Great post there Julia, reality. But I do think these post modernists think they are a bit above the rest of us and is why my comments were a tad sarcastic.

Now that must have been a great dog, did you ever think of the possibilites if she could go beyond her tail and re-invent herself, or, sort of like she would be in dupicate. Nah, gobbledygook again but at least we have this little running track in which to explore the possibilities.

Have a great weekend. too

 

[Logique]

Interesting the talk of postmodernism. Thought it a bit gauche to go to wikipedia on such as this, but did look it up on essortment. While still a somewhat elusive notion, it shed some light, and on some others..deconstruction...post-structuralism. I need another cup of coffee first.

From: http://www.essortment.com/all/postmodernphilo_rorp.htm

....Postmodernism is essentially still in is infancy. It is an attempt to think beyond the confines of the past. Derrida, one of the chief exponents of post-structuralism, coined a term called “deconstruction” which means a philosophical method of looking for weak points in modern thinking and established ways of perception...

...Secondly, there is a concentration on fragmentation and discontinuity as well as ambiguity. The postmodern focuses on a de-structured, de-centered humanity. What this really means is that the idea of disorder and fragmentation, which were previously seen as negative qualities, are seen as an acceptable representation of reality by postmodernists. Modernism considered the fragmented view of human life as bad or tragic, while postmodernists rather celebrate this seemingly meaningless view of the world. It is an acceptance of the chaos that encourages a play with meaning. Postmodernism also accepts the possibility of ambiguity. Things and events can have two different meanings at the same time. A more rigid rational and logocentric or linear approach tries to avoid or reduce ambiguity as much as possible. Postmodern thought sees simultaneous views not as contradictory but as an integral part of the complex patterning of reality.


Beyond all the theory and academic discussion, what is postmodern thought and what is its importance for the modern person? Postmodern thought is, in its very essence, an adventure and an expression of life experience. From its modernist beginnings, Postmodernism is an attempt to question the world that we see around us and especially not to take other people’s views as the final truth. Postmodernism puts everything into question and radically interrogates philosophies, strategies and world views. There is no such thing as a definition of the postmodern. It is a mood rather than a strict discipline. Postmodernism, with all its complexity and possible excesses, is an attempt to find new and more truthful versions of the world.

 

[Bat_Ears]

Postmodernism:

Making up fancy sounding bull****, sophistry and downright sollispism. When challenged, fall back on even more nonsense. Never give a straight answer. At the same time maintain an air of arrogant disdain and superiority. Then wait for the academic positions and gullible fools to buy your books thinking you have some revealed wisdom to present them with.

Then laugh at the stupidity of the other people buying into your bull**** and feel secure in your arrogant disdain and superiority.

 

[explod]

Well done posting the definition. Its an elusive area unless one is aligned closely with the finer arts bordering on sociology.

Discussions in this area can be very rewarding in my view and in taking it seriously can improve understanding and appreciation of where others may be coming from.

One of the great problems in art, and academia itself, is that it tends to hide behind words that to others are gobbledygook. We need more discussions like this to break down those barriers.

A reason why I like both the Julia's, they say what they mean in language that all can understand

Good one Logique, and I recommend the definition as posted be read over a few times by those interested. It took me three years to get a reasonable hold on it at Uni.

 

[Julia]

Now that must have been a great dog, did you ever think of the possibilites if she could go beyond her tail and re-invent herself, or, sort of like she would be in dupicate.

Heavens, no, explod: one of her was quite enough!

.........Beyond all the theory and academic discussion, what is postmodern thought and what is its importance for the modern person? Postmodern thought is, in its very essence, an adventure and an expression of life experience. From its modernist beginnings, Postmodernism is an attempt to question the world that we see around us and especially not to take other people’s views as the final truth. Postmodernism puts everything into question and radically interrogates philosophies, strategies and world views. There is no such thing as a definition of the postmodern. It is a mood rather than a strict discipline. Postmodernism, with all its complexity and possible excesses, is an attempt to find new and more truthful versions of the world.

Logique, thank you for that. It's the first reasonably clear explanation of postmodernism I've read. Enlightening, as I've always been unclear as to what it's essentially about.

 

[explod]

Postmodernism:

Making up fancy sounding bull****, sophistry and downright sollispism. When challenged, fall back on even more nonsense. Never give a straight answer. At the same time maintain an air of arrogant disdain and superiority. Then wait for the academic positions and gullible fools to buy your books thinking you have some revealed wisdom to present them with.

Then laugh at the stupidity of the other people buying into your bull**** and feel secure in your arrogant disdain and superiority.

And again Bat_Ears a great post and insight. It all began to a great degree with the new 20th Century thinkers that comprised the Bauhaus School from about the 1920's. They were a group of radicals so bad in fact that Hitler closed them down and chased them out of Germany in the early 1930's

Their ideas have had a great deal to do with modern architecture and the new look square city style. Minimalism was an important develoment which today is evident in the streamlined modern home in square look and not too much clutter.

The branch, that in my view had a lot to do with the post modern slant, was that of the Da Da School which grew out of the Bauhaus mob. Surreilist panting probably the trade mark but sitting on the stage saying "da da da da........" as the entire performance one of its great highlights.

So yep it would be good if we did not have these ratbags, then there would be no change and perhaps we could still live in a cave where man was boss.

I reckon I could do a painting of you now Bat_Ears, based on my existential feeling for this discussion.

 

[Julia]

I reckon I could do a painting of you now Bat_Ears, based on my existential feeling for this discussion.

Oh, wow! Could you share this? Am filled with eager anticipation for such an artistic endeavour. Would also love to have an existential understandiing of Bat Ears.

 

[explod]

Oh, wow! Could you share this? Am filled with eager anticipation for such an artistic endeavour. Would also love to have an existential understandiing of Bat Ears.

Have had to go into the cave and back to the books on this one Julia but think I have it. Apologies for the delay on such an important matter too.

Bat_ears makes a very valid point. Work is of value, education so that one can work is of value and of course we need a rest so therefore sport is of value.

However thinking is impossible to measure as value, you cannot put a dollar with or against it, so it is of no value in the general consensus. And my Dad was one who pointed this out many times and when I expressed the desire to be an artist he put a brush in my hand and had me paint the farm house.

"Postmodernist" thought is about some versions of thinking to some people but as we have learnt, there is no value in it.

Bat_ears is sensible, just like my Dad and though my image of him may not be understood by some I have it clearly in my mind as an overpowering cloud that keeps the good people in order.

Trouble is most of us like to be bad or dare I say it, to be a bit free. A bit like religion, the conflict between what we see and can prove, the science and what we believe, the faith

Hope this helps Julia.

 

[explod]

Since the last post I have moved on a lot and would like to apologize in particular to you Julia for not really being in sympathy with where I was wanting to go and reading back on it, I was lost. And by the way, my new/old now, dog Max is wonderfull.

Have been thinking a lot about gambling and poor people. As I am not that well heeled but love to play roulette feel that I have some expertise in this area and I also think it may be very important.

A couple of months ago up in Cains I met a fine gentleman from Thursday Island who was also on holidays. We were at the roulette table together, the old shearer and my new pal, who looked just like an old cane cutter so we both just looked the part.

When I play my game I have a daily limit of $50 and because I play by a charting method I often come home with more than my allowance but not enough of course to make a living out of it or write a book (yet). My old cobber however was way ahead of me. His limit is every dollar he can put in and his system is to hit them big where it hurts to try and bring the house down. Well the house stands and to even an old shearer's view it hurt. He deserved better and IMHO to win, a fine upstanding man who I am sure has a very nice family at home with a number of children.

Now this is where everyone will not like me. I am as you know a bit left wing and have been re reading Carl Marx in considerable detail. I should be at the local Greens Annual meeting toninght (at the Mooroduc Public Hall) but realise they are too far up in the clouds. So in what follows I am looking for supporters, a new direction and advice on carrying my idea forward into reality.

My old mate at Cairns as you guessed in a most gentlemanly way lost all of his three thousand dollars in about half an hour chasing red. At Crown Casino I see many pensioners doing very similar at breakneck speed in all facits of all games. I am sure many of you will be able to advise me of much greater losses in many other places too.

But they are all great people, softly spoken gentle folk just trying to enjoy themselves and do the right thing. In conversation they will soon tell you of the lovely Grandchildren they are never able to see or thier children who are very very busy doing very well but too busy to catch up.

Now the Government get a great deal out of this gambling to help run the country but I am told the people who run the Casinos get the most and they also get tax breaks because they are good for the country and they employ a lot of people and contribute to election campaigns and other dignitary events which feature prominently on the television with the Prime Minsiters or thier deputies. So its all very nice. Indeed

As I have a lot more to say on my plan I will go to the next post

 

[explod]

What if we could have not for profit gambling venues, the government would have to supervise of course, and after the running costs are paid the rest of the money goes into a fund to help families, particularly childen effected by gambling, alcohol and poverty.

The fund would provide no cash up front to individuals, though we may need to allow the Government to take the cut they are now getting.

Where needed it would provide:

food;

shelter ie, maintain basic home situation, bedding and clothing;

education to full potential, employment and mentoring; and

medical backup.

The people I speak to at the Casinos would also be very happy with this idea and may even put more of thier money into the pokies for such a cause. I am sure my old Pal from Thursday Island would feel, opps, his Children would feel better for it in the long run too

A happy Australia day tomorrow to all ASF ers.

 

[Logique]

...A happy Australia day tomorrow to all ASF ers...

And to you also Explod, an overdue update to the thread. I still need to read your posts two or three times to get the import, I'll get back to you.
Cheers, Logique

 

[Julia]

Hello Explod,

First, never any apology needed. I know you to be a person of integrity and good faith who believes absolutely in whatever you're saying even if sometimes you're not quite sure yourself where you're going with the thought.

But, sorry, I'm totally against any taxpayer sponsored gambling scheme. Such a venture would surely never gain widespread voter approval, and imo neither it should.
It would in effect be offering tacit approval for people to gamble.

The last thing we should be doing is offering an alternative to individuals taking responsibility for their personal decisions.

Your friends may be charming people but with your endless capacity to see people in the best possible light, you are rather being blinded to simple reality.