Gobbledygook: Reality, Dreaming or Rubbish?

[explod]

While we are on the subject of reality explod, I am intrigued by a statement you made a few posts back, viz;



In what ways do you consider Wayne to be your superior? Is it in intellect, ability, politics or what?

Or is it because he is a moderator?

Moderators dont' count; eg. in giving them say a free kick just because, thier job of drudgery is to ensure the enterprise survives would not even be tolerated by the Mod's themselves..

Nope, just sheer numbers always wins hands down. It is not brains in the world (IMV), but determination and persistence. Churchill was the greater exponent. In saying that I am not attmepting to say that I am putting a ruler on Waynel's brains or anybody elses for that matter. Jeeeessszz,, touchy stuff here. Will I hit enter?

Good question though, because bringing measures of intellect into the picture is a sure way to step up the gobbledygook tempo and some bright colours too.

IMVHO of course.

Another rumination faze.

 

[Calliope]

Good question though

Well, if it is a good question, then it deserves an answer, not just more rambling philosophy. In what ways do you consider Wayne superior to you?.

 

[explod]

Well, if it is a good question, then it deserves an answer, not just more rambling philosophy. In what ways do you consider Wayne superior to you?.

Sheer numbers champ, he has more than 11,000 posts, I take my hat off to his mamoth persistence. And of course, remain in the good light to remain a mod.

What is wrong with rambling philosophy?

It is one of the prime purposes of this thread, IMHO

However do not be deterred in putting forth your own directional input ,which I hope keeps us ever evolving.

 

[nioka]

Sheer numbers champ, he has more than 11,000 posts, I

Sheer numbers is no qualification whatsoever. Remember to go to the toilet once a day is healthy but to be going every hour has another name. So that rules out numbers. Take the motormouth, word numbers but information is often lost in the volume. rules out numbers again.

However I do give him credit for intelligent discussion stimulation over a range of topics even if I do not agree with him at times.

 

[wayneL]

I like this:

"Every man is my superior in that I may learn from him."
- Thomas Carlyle

PS - That includes the ladies too.

 

[Julia]

PS - That includes the ladies too.

Ah, Wayne, so thoughtful.

 

[explod]

Sheer numbers is no qualification whatsoever. .

A good point and taken on board too.

However I would be concerned at a squeezing of the parameters. An open and frank discussion on the facits of gobbledygook must not only take in "reality" IMHV.

To evaluate for example "dreaming" and its sometimes near partner "rubbish", which could of course be averred to as a part of the criteria for a meaning of "gobbledygook", then we may have to allow some considerable flexibility.

Have any ASF'ers studied the Da da movement, it was from memory a branch of performance art which grew off the surrealist movement in art of around the early 1940's when everyone (perhaps some) became very mad at the effects of rising Narzism. This movement attempted (and succssfully in my view) to elicit a meaning or message from absolute repetition. Probably where Warhole got some of his idea of the soup can paintings some 25 odd years later.

So untill we can get an angle on this thread that brings all the players properly into it (and along would be great), we ought in my view keep a fairly open mind. Not wanting to dominate or (hate this word) dictate, (which is why Hitler kicked the Da da and all the other outside the square movements out anyway) but to just settle this idea of examining gobbledygook in.

 

[artist]

Also a knowledge of a second language, an ability to think outside the oblong, and a sense of humour would help many posters keep their knickers unknotted.

gg

Agreed, and always eschew obfuscation too.

 

[Julia]

A good point and taken on board too.

However I would be concerned at a squeezing of the parameters. An open and frank discussion on the facits of gobbledygook must not only take in "reality" IMHV.

To evaluate for example "dreaming" and its sometimes near partner "rubbish", which could of course be averred to as a part of the criteria for a meaning of "gobbledygook", then we may have to allow some considerable flexibility.

Have any ASF'ers studied the Da da movement, it was from memory a branch of performance art which grew off the surrealist movement in art of around the early 1940's when everyone (perhaps some) became very mad at the effects of rising Narzism. This movement attempted (and succssfully in my view) to elicit a meaning or message from absolute repetition. Probably where Warhole got some of his idea of the soup can paintings some 25 odd years later.

So untill we can get an angle on this thread that brings all the players properly into it (and along would be great), we ought in my view keep a fairly open mind. Not wanting to dominate or (hate this word) dictate, (which is why Hitler kicked the Da da and all the other outside the square movements out anyway) but to just settle this idea of examining gobbledygook in.

Explod, when I read the title of this thread I made the perhaps incorrect assumption that you would be against 'gobbledygook', assuming you'd share my belief that this is obfuscation, waffle and meaningless combinations of words.

But I'm beginning to wonder if I was quite wrong, and in fact your intention is to actually promote unclear communication, such is the confusing nature of your posts in this thread.

Or perhaps I'm just lacking in the capacity to interpret the depth of your presentation.
It might be a guide that few members seem moved to add their contributions.

I'm not wishing to be unreasonably critical, but I'm just rather puzzled as to what you're actually setting out to achieve with this thread?

 

[nunthewiser]

I'm not wishing to be unreasonably critical, but I'm just rather puzzled as to what you're actually setting out to achieve with this thread?

Perhaps he ran out of other people to dribble meaningless waffle to and decided to share his talent here instead.

 

[explod]

It is meant to be a bit of fun, where one can express some rubbish now and then and not upset all and sundry on threads that do have real intent.

Had thought it may have been obvious from the opening where gg got on the train (of thought) immediately.

Sort of my own little "Solly's general chat" thread.

If it is not your style then you do not need to visit. However it may be usufull to some for a bit of on line performance. Google up "performance art" and also "the Da Da movement" and you may get a bit more drift (yes, its a bit eccentric). Of course, only if you think you could be interested.

cheers to all on this fine Tuesday, explod

 

[Calliope]

Explod, when I read the title of this thread I made the perhaps incorrect assumption that you would be against 'gobbledygook', assuming you'd share my belief that this is obfuscation, waffle and meaningless combinations of words.

But I'm beginning to wonder if I was quite wrong, and in fact your intention is to actually promote unclear communication, such is the confusing nature of your posts in this thread.

I think it is my fault. A few weeks back on another thread I labelled one of explod's nonsensical posts as "gobbledygook." The word fascinated him so much, that ever since, all his posts have been an attempt to reinforce my assessment.

I have the sinking feeling that we will never know what he is on about.:dunno:

 

[explod]

I think it is my fault. A few weeks back on another thread I labelled one of explod's nonsensical posts as "gobbledygook." The word fascinated him so much, that ever since, all his posts have been an attempt to reinforce my assessment.

I have the sinking feeling that we will never know what he is on about.:dunno:

Yeh, that could be it because Julia (I think?) used the same term and I was convinced.

Has anyone on ASF ever pondered "after image" It is a brightness that imprints on the retina after looking at the sun or similar. These types of things have been created in art.

Anyway my thesis began with a fascination with that and moved onto the physical frequency of sight. My current project are large oblong (gg you hit the chord pal) paintings that are sectioned off with gradations of colour that fit this sight frequency so that as one looks across the picture plane there is a visual oscillation.

My type of art is great in itself but few to talk to about it. So perhaps I have gone totally gobbledygook.

 

[BrightGreenGlow]

I'm pretty much with you here, Logique. Also feel a vague need for a translation from the so far impressively esoteric nature of the exchange between explod and gg.
However, happy to see it continue in the interests of elevating the intellectual content of ASF!


OK, this was my objection, and perhaps I was being a bit cranky. I appreciate that the term is widely applied to people generically.
I just hate being addressed thus: largely because (a) it just seems thoughtless and lazy, and (b) because it's yet another Americanism that Australians seem to have embraced.

We used to say 'programme', now everywhere it's 'program'. Much of this alteration to our version of English I accept as inevitable, but being addressed as a 'guy' is something that I just dislike intensely. But probably I have to just suck it up, as the current idiom suggests.

On the thread topic, one of the obvious problems of communicating via printed screens is that we don't have the benefit of vocal tone, and facial expressions, along with body language. We all have different interpretative styles. Mine is regrettably literal, so often I don't pick it up when someone is meaning to be funny.

I'll always respect genuinely expressed comments on ASF, whether I agree with the sentiment or not. What does stifle debate, however, is the post that simply seeks to disrupt or ridicule discussion. That's what I believe has driven many of our old and excellent members away.

Good topic to raise: thanks, explod.

I don't believe the hello guys thing is a bad thing. It's like calling a Postman and Postperson, so stupid. No offence intended on the females in the world but that's just the way it is.

In regards to Programme, we only adopted Program due to the computer age, ie: Software Program. Programme I still see used the way it was meant to be used. ie: "I love that Television programme".

Either way, taking offence of someone on an online forum is a lil' bit coo-coo unless you're aim is to do exactly that. Just like someone said above... have a sense of humour and lighten up.. or something like that?

 

[noie]

Sheer numbers is no qualification whatsoever. Remember to go to the toilet once a day is healthy but to be going every hour has another name. So that rules out numbers. Take the motormouth, word numbers but information is often lost in the volume. rules out numbers again.

However I do give him credit for intelligent discussion stimulation over a range of topics even if I do not agree with him at times.

There is an example for every scenario, normally lawyers or politicians or criminals only chose one to benefit themselves.

lets talk numbers, in Rugby, Meters gained, points scored line breaks, high is a sign of a great player, how about errors, yellow cards?

hmm two sides..

withing a social media context, in a forum base, posts indicate willingness to involve in conversation. In a serious forum with only serious threads this would be a counter for helpfulness, here with off topics and general chat is a symbol of being a part of the community and getting involved.

 

[robots]

Hello,

explod, dont you have a dog you can discuss all these things with when you out walking?

the ladida movement

the dog hasnt got out has it

thankyou
professor robots

 

[explod]

Hello,

explod, dont you have a dog you can discuss all these things with when you out walking?

the ladida movement

the dog hasnt got out has it

thankyou
professor robots

The new dog is fantastic and yes we have great conversations, he is already "Dad's little man" and of course "Mum's boy".

Had a delivery of some wine last week, well Max gave him a huge pay, the bloke said :"what a good dog,(as I apologised) nah, just doing his job", must dust that thread out and give everyone an update and thankyou all.

Was reading in the Paper that Prince Charles talks to the trees and plants so things are looking up.

Sun has just come out here on the penisular Professor, all good.

 

[Logique]

I get the feeling Prof Robots isn't quite across the existentialist musings thing Explod.

And let's see any gormless canine (when it's not being zapped by Julia's BMW that is) compose Don Juan, or The Waste Land. What do the barking mutts know of rhyme or meter.

 

[explod]

Had a stargazer on the tellie this morning talking about todays date, 10/10/10. Have to be very carefull about the naming of a newborn in line with the numbers apparently.

Anyway the ten ten ten reminded me of an old ditty my Father would recite a long time ago now as it rhymes with the date. Jam tins were a big thing in the great depression, he'd say "you mean the tin that rin tin tin s..t in" Rin Tin Tin was a cleaver dog in TV show when tellie first started out in the 60's

Bit rough and uncooth was my Dad, but the whole eight of us loved him anyway. Oh, nine including Mum. But that does not rhyme with today though.

 

[explod]

On an opposition thread today they have been talking about correct grammer, writing and speaking. Many are not happy at how some of us bogans express ourselves.

Had a bit of a say myself but very correctly was corrected, so withdrew to the bunker.

I have a very old Mercedes Benz and all the family believe I should upgrade. I refuse, cars are not my thing but at times I do need to get from A to B and the old bomb does that. 10 ks to the litre, plenty of power to cut off the odd youngun in a 4 x 4 and the comfort and reliablity is amazing.

Now back to my topic (within this topic) Language to me is that too, gets you from A to B, often wish I could do it better sometimes because I am often missquoted and missunderstood. Not so worried about the latter at my age. Became very good at spelling with a lot of effort so that I could succeed in my career but after 12 years of retirement find that I have reverted back to my failed grade Viii (form 2 these days, no year eight I think) standard on my graduation from school. It was more like very pleased to see me go and it was mutual.

None of that stopped me from being a good shearer, Father and to a very high level in my later chosen career, in fact I achieved High Distinctions for papers at Uni.

So what is it with communication. Is it not that we should be understood and be able to understand our fellow that is important, I dont' know.

Its all a mixture obviously of gobbledygook, reality, dreaming and perhaps rubbish, the latter emphasis because I suspect we may be too pedantic IMVHO of course, and not wanting to offend either.

As long as we get the job done and I have good trades the world is sweet in my corner.

Expanded the vegie patch considerably this afternoon. Very worried about what Benanke is going to do with the Federal Reserve or your money.