2010 Federal Election

[Calliope]

The biggest winner out of the demise ol Gillard will be Tim Mathieson. No Lodge for him, he will be able to escape the spotlight, slink back to Altona, keep his job and get a bit of whatever he fancies on the side while Julia is away in Canberra.

 

[drsmith]

4 seats now in play according to the ABC count. While the Coalition are in front with all 4, what are the odds one will fall on the ALP side of the ledger ?

 

[Mofra]

ALP 73 Coalition 72, with the last seat (Hasluck) undecided but Coalition leading according to Fairfax.

Bandt will support the ALP, giving them 74, and the 3 independants are more likely to favour the Coalition giving them first crack at forming a lame duck government (hard to see Abbott & Bob Brown agreeing on enough to pass any legislation in the senate). We'll be voting again well within 3 years IMO.

 

[Calliope]

On-Line poll in the SMH today;

Poll: Who would you prefer as Labor leader?

Julia Gillard
36%
Bill Shorten
9%
Chris Bowen
3%
Greg Combet
7%
Kevin Rudd
40%
Mark Arbib
4%
Total votes: 30806.

 

[-Bevo-]

On-Line poll in the SMH today;

Poll: Who would you prefer as Labor leader?

Julia Gillard
36%
Bill Shorten
9%
Chris Bowen
3%
Greg Combet
7%
Kevin Rudd
40%
Mark Arbib
4%
Total votes: 30806.

No Wayne Swan to choose from, anyone see that video of Swan on election night lol best interview I seen LOL.
Wayne Swan gets owned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soaPhHKX2Oo

 

[Calliope]

Paul Sheehan tells you why Victoria loves Labor and Gillard.

The Yarra monster is killing us

A great sucking force can be felt around Australia, siphoning resources southwards, down the hungry throat of Melbourne. Australia makes, Melbourne takes.

''Melbourne is a parasite economy,'' says Bob Birrell, the doyen of immigration and population studies in Australia. ''Increasingly, the fiscal dividend from Australia's mineral boom is having to be distributed to Victoria to pay for the needs of Melbourne's population boom. That's why the Victorian Premier, John Brumby, is constantly having to go cap-in-hand to the federal government for assistance.''

Birrell is from Melbourne, which makes him a heretic in a city with a highly developed sense of civic pride. He is director of the centre for population and urban research at Monash University.

''While the other boom states have been driven by mining exports, Victoria's boom has been driven by high immigration,'' Birrell says. ''This created a buoyant economy, thanks to a rapidly-growing people servicing sector and migrant servicing sector.''

When you add NSW and Victoria, and then add the resource boom states, WA and Queensland, the comparison gets ugly. Combined, WA and Queensland produced an expn.ort-import surplus of $74.7 billion in 2008-09. Combined, NSW and Victoria were the opposite, with an export-import deficit of $73.3 billio
So almost the entire export surplus of the two resource-boom states is essentially being transferred to Melbourne and Sydney and their regional economies.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-yarra-monster-is-killing-us-20100822-13apt.html

 

[Timmy]

Getting more interesting, latest in The Australian (website):

A COUNTING error has thrown into doubt the Coalition win in the Victorian seat of Dunkley, ... The Australian Electoral Commission said today Dunkley, held by the Liberals since 1996, could now not yet be declared a win for Liberal MP Bruce Billson.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...t-election-count/story-fn59niix-1225908837857

 

[namrog]

The biggest winner out of the demise ol Gillard will be Tim Mathieson. No Lodge for him, he will be able to escape the spotlight, slink back to Altona, keep his job and get a bit of whatever he fancies on the side while Julia is away in Canberra.

So this thread has come down to this sort of childish trash..

Get a life Calliope, get off your @rse, get away from the computer and go and do something.....!!

 

[noco]

I would like to see the Gillard Government take the reigns for another 12-18 months. Let her show the voters how she will handle the economy with a minority Government, the Greens in the senate and the split which will occur in the Labor ranks.

I say let her have all the headaches to the point where it must come down to an unworkable Government resulting in another election. Hopefully by that time, voters will have had enough of Labor and the Greens.

 

[gav]

Wayne Swan at his finest, giving his thoughts on the election...

 

[IFocus]

The best coverage of our election so far!


What Taiwan thinks of our election:

Gav that's great funny as hell

 

[So_Cynical]

I would hate to see how you guys would carry on if you had actually won 3 losers having a go at Swan is hardly laughable..the best treasurer we ever had (that never had the numbers ) at least had the good sense not to look like a school yard twat like Bananas.

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What i find interesting is that in the wash up of all this, what actually may have happened is that the inevitable Climate Change legislation that's to come, will certainly have to be acceptable to the Green controlled Senate...they will demand this of any Party that wants to govern.

The Coalition will only be able to govern as a lame duck government (because of climate denial), where as Labor will be pretty much forced into Greening up the CPRS as a requirement of being allowed to govern.

12 months ago the Coalition could of excepted the inevitable and done the right thing, excepted political reality and passed Rudd's light green CPRS, a scheme designed to be politicly palatable to the Liberals....but no that was just to realistic...and now as a direct result of that denial, this country will be faced with a true greenhouse reduction plan that will make the CPRS look like a great idea.

Oh how the wheels of inevitability turn.

 

[drsmith]

Wayne Swan at his finest, giving his thoughts on the election...

After watching that I'd like to see Wayne Swan and Michael Kroger have a, er, um, informal debate.

 

[Julia]

ALP 73 Coalition 72, with the last seat (Hasluck) undecided but Coalition leading according to Fairfax.

Bandt will support the ALP, giving them 74, and the 3 independants are more likely to favour the Coalition giving them first crack at forming a lame duck government

You'd certainly think so, given their rural origins, but after listening to both Tony Windsor and mad Bob Katter, their hatred for the National Party would appear to rule out agreeing with them.
Suspect we have at this stage little idea of the twists and turns still ahead.

(hard to see Abbott & Bob Brown agreeing on enough to pass any legislation in the senate). We'll be voting again well within 3 years IMO.

If all the relevant parties can't come to an agreement this time round, and we go back to the polls within weeks, what assurance is there that the outcome would be different?

 

[basilio]

I think there is still a fair way to go on determining the final numbers in the parliament. We have already seen some twists and turns and I suspect at least one seat will do something against the trend. So instead of 73/73 with 1 green and 3 independents, it could easily end up 74/72 .

In the end I believe the Labour party has laid the groundwork in treating the Independents with respect in the last parliament and I think they will be more willing to negotiate some big picture ideas which are what Tony Windsor and co are looking for.

And the independents certainly don't want a new election called and lose this opportunity to have a real say in how Australia is governed for the next 3 years.

 

[wayneL]

I would hate to see how you guys would carry on if you had actually won 3 losers having a go at Swan is hardly laughable..the best treasurer we ever had (that never had the numbers ) at least had the good sense not to look like a school yard twat like Bananas.

What a remarkable piece of denial LOL. The Labor Party came within an eyelash of losing government in its first term and the coalition are losers?.

Actually, have a look at the primary vote, Labor is only there because of Green preferences. The coalition did a sterling job to come from where they were to the possibility of nicking this election.

Without the liability of Barnaby Joyce, it would be in the bag IMO.

 

[Calliope]

It is not surprising that the dependent states Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania (see my post #826) came out so strongly for Labor. After all, Labor equals handouts.

Namrog throws a tantrum. I must have been on target.

So this thread has come down to this sort of childish trash..

Get a life Calliope, get off your @rse, get away from the computer and go and do something....

.!

 

[Logique]

Bolt is saying this morning that Windsor and Oakeshot are leaning to Labor, speculating that Oakeshot could be interested in a Ministry.

Watching Oakeshot on the ABC last night, he seems very lefty to me. Labor might be preparing for him the space vacated by Cheryl Kernot.

In his electorate, Labor got 13.6% of the vote. If he was my MP, I'd be contacting his office and making certain political realities abundantly clear to him. And Tony Windsor too. Don't come Monday boys.

 

[basilio]

It is not surprising that the dependent states Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania (see my post #826) came out so strongly for Labor. After all, Labor equals handouts.

Namrog throws a tantrum. I must have been on target..!

No Calliope he isn't throwing a tanty. He's just reflecting the view that says being gratuitously nasty and snide about people or politicians on this forum is a bad look.

I agree.

 

[ghotib]

This is Pollie Junkie heaven!!!

I didn't know till yesterday that Hansard is on the Web, and you can look up parliamentary speeches by individual members and get past the media filter a bit. I'm still figuring out how to use it: I got there first from Tony Windsor's website which links to search results for his speeches - oddly enough

My impression is that most of the commentators don't really know much about the rural Independents and not much more about Andrew Wilkie, in spite of his history.

The AEC has a virtual tally room up as well http://vtr.aec.gov.au/. It's behind the media though, presumably because they're getting information, directly or indirectly, from scrutineers.

Did anyone catch Anthony Green on the ABC24 about 5.30 last night? By the 7.30 Report he'd scrubbed up and cooled down, but earlier he looked as hot and happy as a kid after a day at the beach. So much to watch, so many twists.

Heaven!!!

Ghoti