2010 Federal Election

[nioka]

I thought that Latham made some very good points. He does have an axe to grind so he is a little biased but no more than quite a few of the regular posters on these threads. Pauline Hanson did at least remind us of how underhand Abbott can be, there is little doubt that he is the main one responsible for the creation of Australia's first political prisoner.

Maybe he has a point, a blank paper may just be the way to go.

 

[wayneL]

Thought Howard was the specialist at this?

Probably your first statement on politics I can actually agree with.

 

[drsmith]

Thought Howard was the specialist at this?

He was and I have commented on this in the past.

The broader problem is that both sides target the swinging voter essentially with bribes and this of course is the middle class. It is this that needs to change.

 

[drsmith]

In the economic race to the bottom, spending is being delayed beyond 2013 and this identified as savings.

Victorian Regional Rail Link – re-phasing of project milestone payments

The Gillard Labor Government will also re-phase funds available for the Victorian Regional Rail Link to reflect completion of delivery milestones for the project. The final payment will be increased from $100 million to $300 million and will be made upon the project’s scheduled completion in late 2014. Funding of $80 million in 2012-13 and $120 million in 2013-14 will be re-phased into 2014-15 for this purpose.

The overall funding for the project remains unchanged and this change will not affect the scheduled delivery of the project.

http://www.alp.org.au/federal-government/news/updated-net-budget-impact-of-election-policies-(18/

It wouldn't suprise me if the Coalition is not squeaky clean on this front either.

 

[Calliope]

Why Labor will win;

1. Gender. Many women will not have the heart to vote out Australia's first woman prime minister after barely two months in office, a humiliation of historic proportions and enough to give pause.

2. The Greens. As if the Greens would ever do a preference deal with the Liberals. The Greens' preference agreement with Labor, plus compulsory preferential voting, means a vote for the Greens in an election for the House of Representatives can serve as a protest vote against Labor but still end up as a vote for Labor.

3. Marginal pork barrels. Every government leverages the advantages of office to deliver spending to targeted marginal electorates and the Gillard government is true to form.
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4. Victorian provincialism. Tony Abbott is from Sydney. Gillard is from Melbourne. In Victoria, enough said. The Liberals will lose seats in Victoria, offsetting the anti-Labor mood in NSW.

5. Joe Hockey. There is a limit to how much damage a party can sustain before regenerating. Losing three leaders in two years, then the retirements of Peter Costello and Senator Nick Minchin, who were the de facto leaders of the Liberals, cut into the muscle and bone of the party. If Costello and Minchin were still in place the Liberals' economic credibility would be robust and Labor's leadership stunt would be in serious trouble. Hockey's amiable appearance belies a hardened factional warrior who lacks the gravitas one expects of a federal treasurer. Andrew Robb, yes. Malcolm Turnbull, yes. Peter Costello, in spades. Hockey is lead in Abbott's saddlebags.

6. The pie-eaters. Finally, we get to the most structural and disturbing aspect of the election, the growing primacy of the pie-eaters. As the recent British election showed, when sections of a country become addicted to government spending (Scotland and Wales), the electorate will vote out of self-interest and vote for the party of big government. That is, vote Labor, no matter how bad the record.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...ard-to-resist-20100815-1251x.html?autostart=1

 

[moXJO]

Why Labor will win;
6. The pie-eaters. Finally, we get to the most structural and disturbing aspect of the election, the growing primacy of the pie-eaters. As the recent British election showed, when sections of a country become addicted to government spending (Scotland and Wales), the electorate will vote out of self-interest and vote for the party of big government. That is, vote Labor, no matter how bad the record.

I think this is a big one this time round.

 

[nioka]

Calliope,

Pie eaters? Please explain.. I recall seeing a news clip the other day which featured your beloved Tony... eating a meat pie. Does that mean he will vote for Julia.

Had one myself on Sunday. Am I now a "pie eater"? Does that mean I must vote for Julia?

The power of the pies, are they taking over from cocaine as a drug of choice. ? Will they be banned? I was told recently that if I go to the AFL grand final to take a packed lunch as there weren't going to be any "pies"there. That's taking drugs in sport a little too far isn't it.

 

[Calliope]

Pie eaters? Please explain..

You obviously didn't read the link.

 

[wayneL]

Calliope,

Pie eaters? Please explain.. I recall seeing a news clip the other day which featured your beloved Tony... eating a meat pie. Does that mean he will vote for Julia.

Had one myself on Sunday. Am I now a "pie eater"? Does that mean I must vote for Julia?

The power of the pies, are they taking over from cocaine as a drug of choice. ? Will they be banned? I was told recently that if I go to the AFL grand final to take a packed lunch as there weren't going to be any "pies"there. That's taking drugs in sport a little too far isn't it.

met·a·phor   [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our god.”Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def. 1).
2.
something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

 

[wayneL]

6. The pie-eaters. Finally, we get to the most structural and disturbing aspect of the election, the growing primacy of the pie-eaters. As the recent British election showed, when sections of a country become addicted to government spending (Scotland and Wales), the electorate will vote out of self-interest and vote for the party of big government. That is, vote Labor, no matter how bad the record.

Just one aspect of Fabian socialist gradualism - gradually install/groom a client constituency.

 

[nioka]

You obviously didn't read the link.

Do you mean that the picture of Tony eating a pie was actually Tony being fed, and consuming, one of Julia's pork pies. I'll probably be OK. The one I had was beef and mushroom. Maybe Tony's pie was beef too .

 

[Calliope]

Gillard has her current boy friend on display at the launch. And her old role model.

 

[Mofra]

If both sides can't at some point resist ever increasing spending on middle class welfare, we could potentially go in that direction regardless of who is in power.

It's not just the spending on middle class welfare - it's the fact that it is too hot an issue politically for real reform in the area, so we're almost assured of being stuck with it until a leader with real courage of conviction (ruling out Abbott & Gillard) makes it to the top of one of the two major political parties.

 

[noco]

Can the real Julia Gillard please stand up and explain why in her election speech she quoted Kevin Rudd as a great achiever.

On the 23rd June she politically assassinated Rudd because she said Kevin Rudd and his Government had lost it's way.

If he is now a such great achiever, why was he replaced by his assassin?

 

[trainspotter]

GAAAAAAAAWD Calliope I almost lost my dinner after looking at Gizzard smooching the Hairdresser boyfriend (dunno why I gave him a capital for his profession) Imagine the world players meeting this dude. "SO what do you do for a living?" they ask "I sell hairpsray" he answers. YAY !

Anyways .... 2010 election is gonna be a rip snorter. I am having a massive Don's Party at my joint and watching the results on the big screen (Thanks to the Labor Govt for the 3 x $900 so that everyone now has one from Harvey Norman)

Open door policy ... may the best man/woman/party/greenie win and I will take a hit for the team and agree as to what the people choose.

 

[electronicmaster]

Gillard has her current boy friend on display at the launch. And her old role model.

lol :whip :sheep: ld: ld: ld:

That's funny :sheep: :sheep: :whip

 

[Julia]

Can the real Julia Gillard please stand up and explain why in her election speech she quoted Kevin Rudd as a great achiever.

On the 23rd June she politically assassinated Rudd because she said Kevin Rudd and his Government had lost it's way.

If he is now a such great achiever, why was he replaced by his assassin?

You would have to hope that the voting public is asking about this very breathtaking piece of hypocrisy.

I've been waiting for some journalist to comment on the fact that the damaging leaks have stopped now that Mr Rudd has been welcomed back to the fold, rising bravely from his sick bed.

 

[trainspotter]

You would have to hope that the voting public is asking about this very breathtaking piece of hypocrisy.

I've been waiting for some journalist to comment on the fact that the damaging leaks have stopped now that Mr Rudd has been welcomed back to the fold, rising bravely from his sick bed.

Lazarus with a triple bypass I believe. Also resembles that little kid who put his finger in the dyke to stop the leak. No pun intended. Or is it?

 

[Duckman#72]

Tony gave another strong performance on Q & A. Unlike Julia who seems increasingly reliant upon worn cliches, Tony was forthright, upfront and statesmanlike in his appearance tonight.

He is meeting every challenge put to him. Even on potential "disaster categories" like gay marriage and religion, Tony's responses seem considered, measured, logical and well articulated.

It makes the arguments against having "The Mad Monk" in power almost seem ludicrous.

Before the campaign had begun, it was generally considered that Julia would "wipe the floor" with Tony at public forums/debates and media sessions. Surprisingly, Tony has hardly put a foot wrong at these events and in fact, is walking away from them with positive conversions.

Keep it up Tony.

 

[trainspotter]

Oh oh ... Tony has backed down and agreed to a debate on the "economics" as long as Julia agrees to meet the very next day on a Q&A in a Sydney town hall again. BIG MISTAKE !