2010 Federal Election

[explod]

I just cannot believe that people will try to give Gillard another 3 years to do whatever after all the same Labor Machinery with just different mouthpiece could not do in 2 and ¾ years.

An interesting statment there Happy.

Krudd failed and was kicked out because he was a one man band.

Everything Gillard et al. did was dictated under the autocratic oversight of Rudd. So how can anyone yet judge Gillard. Who knows she may be billy's pal of the saviour sent by the one up above.

I do not get the idea that because of past behaviours and actions, mostly influenced by others that the future and or the performance of others may in fact be different this time. The fact that she was educated under the shadow of unions does not dictate that she will be overly slanted that way either. We just do not yet know.

I am not too bright sometimes but IQ amperage seems a bit low on some of those who are p.....d off about the ALP taking over the Liberal high ground. Get over it.

You'd all be a lot less frustrated if you followed the greens where we may one day be able to bring about some change with our own input too.

 

[Calliope]

I am not too bright sometimes...
You'd all be a lot less frustrated if you followed the greens where we may one day be able to bring about some change with our own input too.

How about telling us what these changes are, that you would like the Greens to bring about, and what would be your input?

 

[Julia]

Krudd failed and was kicked out because he was a one man band.

Or perhaps more because the Labor machine observed the diminishing polls and decided he must be the cause. If the polls hadn't panicked them, they wouldn't have cared what his style was. Julia was going to save them from the failure of Kevin, but lo, it didn't seem to be working, so down on their knees they go to plead with failed Kevin to stop his damaging leaks, and come back on board. The Australian voter is not so stupid that they don't see all this.

Everything Gillard et al. did was dictated under the autocratic oversight of Rudd. So how can anyone yet judge Gillard.

Far be it from me to defend Mr Rudd, but it has been widely reported that the very action which began Rudd's demise - the axing of the ETS - was insisted on by Gillard, Swan and Tanner, Rudd himself being reluctant to not stick with it.

You can't excuse Ms Gillard from responsibility for any of Labor's decisions, Explod.
To look for the best in the best of all possible worlds, Panglossian style, may be a nice characteristic, but imo it's leading you to a lack of connection with reality.

 

[explod]

You can't excuse Ms Gillard from responsibility for any of Labor's decisions, Explod.
To look for the best in the best of all possible worlds, Panglossian style, may be a nice characteristic, but imo it's leading you to a lack of connection with reality.

Not excusing her at all, just trying to offer other thoughts from the trend of bias here. Now that she is running the ship no one can say exactly which way that will go.

And sorry for not being connected. Sometimes it is lonely if you offer other alternatives to what people do not want to see. And if you have grown up the hard way you know exactly what reality is. Most Liberals I associate with down here on the Morningon Peninsula (where they are the strong majority) would not know what day it is, let alone see another side to any picture.

One of the greatest things about forums such as this Julia, is that we are pushing boundaries to new ideas and approaches as, for example, in the Dick Smith thread.

Anyway take note of your comment and try to be more real in future.

 

[drsmith]

Krudd failed and was kicked out because he was a one man band.

Wasn't it a 4-person kitchen cabinet ?

Everything Gillard et al. did was dictated under the autocratic oversight of Rudd. So how can anyone yet judge Gillard.

She has rushed to the polls with ill-considered ideas of her own as leader.

You'd all be a lot less frustrated if you followed the greens where we may one day be able to bring about some change with our own input too.

Have you squirreled away some hard assets (gold, commodities, property etc) for your grandchildren in case they find the grass not to be as green on the other side as you imagine ?

 

[noco]

How about telling us what these changes are, that you would like the Greens to bring about, and what would be your input?

Calliope, I experienced a sample of a Green change last Tuesday evening 8.30 to 10 pm when the power went off for an hour and a half.

I said to my wife this is what could happen if the Greens took over and closed down all the coal fired power stations and we had to rely on solar energy.

There would be wind farms strecthing every 500 metres from Melbourne to Perth.

We'd have acre upon acre of solar panels which are only 15% efficient in comparison to coal fired power which is 35% efficient, but at least it would be base load.

The fishing industry would fold.

We would run out of water because the Greens would not build a dam due to the red nosed wombat habitat or the luing fish would die. Why build expensive saline convertor plants when a very large proportion of our rain water runs out to sea. We have an abundance of water that is wasted. We, in North Queensland could have hydro power from the Burdiken Dam if the spill way was raised another 2 metres. It could have been built with the wastage from the Labor stimulas package.

We would run out of food because we had no water for the crops.

Farmers would not be able to fertilize sugar crops because it would kill the Great Barrier Reef.

There would be mass unemployment.

The Greens have no policies which would improve or beneit our way of life.

 

[drsmith]

Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott are having a second debate. It's a debate about a debate.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-at-public-forum/story-fn59niix-1225905504794

 

[Calliope]

I said yesterday that the Australian was positioning itself to editorialise in favour of Labor. Todays News Limited Sunday paper editorials say;

Sydney: Sunday Telegraph...give Labor another term.

Melbourne: Sun Herald... ditto

Adelaide: Sunday Mail... ditto

Brisbane: Sunday Mail...give Abbott a go.

 

[drsmith]

I said yesterday that the Australian was positioning itself to editorialise in favour of Labor.

The Australian has backed off a little from an article this morning suggesting a Galaxy poll put the 2PP vote was in favour of the Coalition.

Ignore the reports that put the Coalition ahead on the national two party preferred vote ...... 51.4 to 48.6. Any national calculation from these numbers has Labor ahead around 51 to 49. (Antony Green explains how someone stuffed up.)

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mumble/index.php/theaustralian/comments/galaxy/

 

[explod]

drsmith: Have you squirreled away some hard assets (gold, commodities, property etc) for your grandchildren in case they find the grass not to be as green on the other side as you imagine ?

You betcha,

you dont think a Greens party that makes it eventually into government will succeed by tipping the bucket all the way over do you.

There is some reality in the fine print but off topic in this thread.

 

[noco]

Is it possible this U-Tube on the future of Australia under Labor 2010 to 2013 could be right.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ments/galaxy_queensland_could_finish_gillard/

 

[drsmith]

You betcha,

A bet each way is not a luxury that would be afforded to most Australians under the Greens.

you dont think a Greens party that makes it eventually into government will succeed by tipping the bucket all the way over do you.

Financial markets would tip the bucket or at least that would be the Greens excuse.

 

[drsmith]

Is it possible this U-Tube on the future of Australia under Labor 2010 to 2013 could be right.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ments/galaxy_queensland_could_finish_gillard/

If both sides can't at some point resist ever increasing spending on middle class welfare, we could potentially go in that direction regardless of who is in power.

The only potential difference with the ALP/Greens is that it may happen quicker.

 

[explod]

Financial markets would tip the bucket or at least that would be the Greens excuse.

A good point, yet Governments would have you believe that they have some say over interest rates and financial markets. Look at the Mining Industry Capaign as an example.

Fairy tales

 

[noco]

Don't miss Mark Latham on 60 Minutes ch 9 7.30 pm tomorrow evening. I think it may be explosive.

Latham wants revenge on both Gillard and Rudd as the hatred is very evident.

What a fizzer Mak Latham was on 60 minutes.

The anti-climax to the whole show was Mark Latham suggesting everybody submit a blank ballot paper in the box on the 21st.

 

[drsmith]

What a fizzer Mak Latham was on 60 minutes.

The anti-climax to the whole show was Mark Latham suggesting everybody submit a blank ballot paper in the box on the 21st.

In that case I won't be watching it.

 

[electronicmaster]

The anti-climax to the whole show was Mark Latham suggesting everybody submit a blank ballot paper in the box on the 21st.

What the heck, I'm going to VOID my vote.

Some interesting information I found about The Exposure within Australia of Political Corruption

 

[IFocus]

If both sides can't at some point resist ever increasing spending on middle class welfare, we could potentially go in that direction regardless of who is in power.

The only potential difference with the ALP/Greens is that it may happen quicker.

Thought Howard was the specialist at this?

 

[Julia]

What a fizzer Mak Latham was on 60 minutes.

The anti-climax to the whole show was Mark Latham suggesting everybody submit a blank ballot paper in the box on the 21st.

Agree. It was pathetic in every way, made him look like even more of a loser, and would not have damaged either major party imo, though doubtless that was his intent.
The piece with Pauline Hanson was particularly embarrassing for both of them.

Did anyone watch the Channel 7 interview with Kevin Rudd? Ostensibly about his aortic valve transplant many years ago, but the timing makes it pretty obvious that it was politically motivated. Showed our Kev in a warm and fuzzy, lovely bloke light, all gratitude and forgiveness. It certainly wouldn't win any votes for the Labor Party, and will reinforce the anger that many feel about the nature of his demise.

 

[trainspotter]

Front page of the Sunday Times in Western Australia has Gillard and the ALP being flogged. Apparently did a poll of 4000 people in marginal seats around Australiua (no this is not a typo ... this is how Julia pronouces it) and ALP is on the nose. Predicting a 4 seat margin overall. Fascinating stuff !

Good that Krudd came across as human BTW. Will throwback to the Labor stronghold that they did the wrong thing by axing him when the voters get their pencils and white paper on August 21st.

Having Latham on Chanel 9 shows to me how desperate the ALP actually was back in them days. What has changed?