2010 Federal Election

[Calliope]

It looks like Gillard will give Rudd the Indigenous Affairs job. This is a job which is dear to his heart as demonstrated by his apologies to our native people and the Stolen Generation.

He knows that he has a lot of work to do on their housing, health, education and jobs to bring them up to par with the rest of the population.

As his government has done nothing about this issue in the past three years, he has a big job in front of him, which will be made much harder because there is no money.

On the positive side it will give him a lot of travel opportunities and to hold a few inquiries, forums etc.

Of course he will fail and that is what Gillard is counting on.

She said Mr Rudd would hold a senior position in any ministry in a re-elected Gillard government but signalled he could be given a role other than foreign affairs, saying “obviously there are a wide variety of roles” he could serve in.

She cited Mr Rudd's passion for public policy in many areas, including ending indigenous disadvantage.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...sneak-into-power/story-fn59niix-1225901577821

 

[explod]

On the positive side it will give him a lot of travel opportunities and to hold a few inquiries, forums etc.

Of course he will fail and that is what Gillard is counting on.

Why will he fail ? That needs to be backed up Calliope.

We all have our failures in business and life as we go along. Rudd must have been successful in some ways to get where he did. Why because we are perhaps on the other side of the fence do we wish someone is going to fail, like a wish Sort of like "hope his chooks all die" was an old one.

Lot of immaturity in the political stuff these days. Bring back the good old day Chifley, Menzies, Frazer and Keating. Had different views but were honest people and gave the people reasons and looked after the constituencies before self interests.

 

[sails]

Swan should know weekly interest bill

Swan is potentially spending 4-5 Billion per year of taxpayers funds in interest and yet he apparently has no idea what the number is...

And between Labor and the Greens, appears they intend to keep up this awful spending spree if they get back in.

Someone has to repay this ever growing debt. Some heritage to leave for our grandchildren. I guess some don't care...

 

[noco]

Well the system works because most people are basically honest, if you are not then I cannot help that.

When you front to vote you are asked (and required by law) to give your full name and your address. If you are prepared to give the full name and address of the deceased then you have lost me pal.

I do think it is a good reason for all persons over eighteen to have full photo and signature ID.

Yes explod, that is my point, I agree fully the polling booths should ask for an ID and 99.9% of voters would surely have a drivers license or a pension card if you were past the driving age. That would surely stop 99% of the rorts that has been happening.

When I test the system, I can assure you I will be honest enough to stop the official from ruling out the deceased person's name before it happens. I will also explain to the official my reason for doing it.

 

[noco]

Why will he fail ? That needs to be backed up Calliope.

We all have our failures in business and life as we go along. Rudd must have been successful in some ways to get where he did. Why because we are perhaps on the other side of the fence do we wish someone is going to fail, like a wish Sort of like "hope his chooks all die" was an old one.

Lot of immaturity in the political stuff these days. Bring back the good old day Chifley, Menzies, Frazer and Keating. Had different views but were honest people and gave the people reasons and looked after the constituencies before self interests.

And John Howard.

 

[explod]

And John Howard.

Agree, but we cannot say so with certainty before the fact.

Ole Krudd on tv tonight like a presidential candidate. Just loves the glow of media. A shame he could not deliver on the shine, but the charm certainly wont' harm labor

 

[noco]

Agree, but we cannot say so with certainty before the fact.

Ole Krudd on tv tonight like a presidential candidate. Just loves the glow of media. A shame he could not deliver on the shine, but the charm certainly wont' harm labor

I don't know about that. Remember Rudd said he had a long memory and I'm also not sure wether Ms Gillard is all that happy about him coming back into the picture before the election. He may just take some of the shine off her glitter.

 

[overhang]

Overhang, what would happen if I voted 30 times, and ABC party got in to power with say 15 votes, do we hold a new election???

Well lets take an electorate size of 80000 (small electorate), your 30 votes have contributed .037% to the outcome. Yes that's possible but highly improbable but to answer your question I don't know I mean its pretty much a coin flip regardless of your votes and I would bet that there would be a greater margin of error than .037% in counting alone.

Sorry, overhang, like you, I've never thought about it until noco brought it up, and I've been away from NZ for 18 years. As I recall voting in NZ, it was as it is here in that you turn up, give your details, and are crossed off the list.
Is electronic voting rortproof? Wasn't it electronic voting that allowed George W. to get in unfairly?

No worries Julia 18 years is a long time between drinks. True Florida is a good example of flaws with electronic voting, then we have the Afghan election with the tampered ink. I'm sure we could have Labor come up with an alternative tamper proof method to voting

 

[Julia]

Agree, but we cannot say so with certainty before the fact.

Ole Krudd on tv tonight like a presidential candidate. Just loves the glow of media. A shame he could not deliver on the shine, but the charm certainly wont' harm labor

Ah explod, do you really believe in the magnanimous, utterly forgiving Kevin, who is putting all his humiliation aside for the sake of the Party? He will be very smug in the knowledge that the Labor machine is so desperate it has had to beg him to come back and at least put on a show of solidarity.

It began with the interview on Radio National last night with Phillip Adams. For anyone interested, the "Late Night Live" interview is presently being replayed on ABC Local Radio from 9.10 to 10 pm Adams and Rudd are great mates from some time back and **** in each other pockets in this interview to a quite nauseating degree.

How humiliating is it for Julia to concede that she is losing so badly that she needs Mr Rudd to come back and prop her up? Where do you think all the media attention will be? On Mr Rudd, of course. She will fade into the background. I might be wrong, but Mr Rudd - being the archetypal strategist that he is - is likely thinking Labor will lose the election, Julia will be smartly dumped, leaving the way wide open for the party faithful to beg his forgiveness and beseech him to come back to lead them out of the wilderness.

Of course, I may be way too cynical and in reality, Kev, having parted with his gall bladder, has been filled with love and forgiveness, and really, truly believes that it's up to him to save the country from Mr Abbott. Given Mr Rudd's self belief, such a scenario is quite plausible.

Interesting times ahead.

Meantime, Ms Gillard in her desperation has addressed whatever the group is which represents the canonisation of Mary McKillop (sorry, I'm not up in the religious lingo), and will shortly be addressing the Australian Christian Lobby, following being told in Nth Queensland by a group of Christian women that there's no way they would vote for her after her avowed atheism.

Hypocrisy doesn't come close to covering it!

I don't know about that. Remember Rudd said he had a long memory and I'm also not sure wether Ms Gillard is all that happy about him coming back into the picture before the election. He may just take some of the shine off her glitter.

Yep, we don't know whether Julia has been given a choice about Kev coming back. Given the power of the Labor Party machine, she may have just been told what is happening, no choices Just smile and pretend you're thrilled to have him at your side with all his wise guidance.

 

[drsmith]

From an entertainment perspective, it's worth seeing the ALP lose just to witness the political bloodbath that would occur within the ALP after such a loss.

 

[ghotib]

The Australian Electoral Commission website has a background paper on electoral fraud and multiple voting. It's a PDF, so I'll just quote 3 paragraphs about the effect of multiple voting on the election results. If anyone wants to read about the processes for for ensuring the integrity of the rolls and the vote, the full paper is at http://www.aec.gov.au/About_AEC/Pub...s/files/2010-eb-fraud-and-multiple-voting.pdf. BTW, the penalty for fraudulent voting can be 12 months imprisonment.

30. The cases that remain after these elimination processes are referred by the DROs to the AEC’s National Office through the Australian Electoral officer (AEO) for the state or territory. Those instances that evidence apparent multiple voting are then referred to the AFP for consideration. The AFP may then refer the matter to the Commonwealth DPP for possible prosecution of the individual under s. 339 (1), (1a) or (1c) in accordance with the Commonwealth Prosecution Policy.

31. In addition to identifying cases for possible prosecution, the AEC examines all detected cases of multiple voting in each division after the election to determine whether the level of multiple voting possibly exceeded the margin by which the candidate was elected. if this is the case, the AEC will consider disputing the election result by petition to the Court of Disputed Returns under s. 357 of the Act as outlined below.
32. It is not possible, or necessary, to remove multiple ordinary votes cast at the polling place from the count of votes, because they cannot be identified under the secret ballot system. The AEC is able to determine whether the number of multiple votes detected would have affected the margin by which the candidate was elected in the division.

The AEC has quite a lot of experience at running elections and with attempts to influence outcomes. Not saying everything is always squeaky clean, but I do believe the results are a true reflection of voter opinion on the day.

Ghoti

 

[BrightGreenGlow]

From an entertainment perspective, it's worth seeing the ALP lose just to witness the political bloodbath that would occur within the ALP after such a loss.

After all ALP's failures I cannot believe the good-for-nothing-lazy-no-hopers that normally vote Labor still are willing to vote Labor. Truly amazing... maybe due to the Labor biased main media.... guess everyone still believes what they see on TV.

 

[nioka]

After all ALP's failures I cannot believe the good-for-nothing-lazy-no-hopers that normally vote Labor still are willing to vote Labor. Truly amazing... maybe due to the Labor biased main media.... guess everyone still believes what they see on TV.

Lazy no hopers? How about all those hard working people working under "work choices" conditions that were at work by 7.30 this morning, will work hard all day meeting job requirements that match the conditions of $1 day paid workers in third world countries, will be under pressure to perform all day until 4.30 pm. Working hard so some company director can live a luxury life and help supply income through dividends etc for others. Fair shake of the sauce bottle.

Get real. Look beyond your protected lifestyle, protected by those that work hard ALL their life.

There are two sides to every story

 

[DocK]

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=572275&postcount=384

posted this on another thread, but it may be more pertinent here.

 

[sam76]

Lazy no hopers? How about all those hard working people working under "work choices" conditions that were at work by 7.30 this morning, will work hard all day meeting job requirements that match the conditions of $1 day paid workers in third world countries, will be under pressure to perform all day until 4.30 pm. Working hard so some company director can live a luxury life and help supply income through dividends etc for others. Fair shake of the sauce bottle.

Get real. Look beyond your protected lifestyle, protected by those that work hard ALL their life.

There are two sides to every story

All those people should have worked harder at school, went to uni and then got a decent job.



*ducks head* lol

 

[Logique]

Ole Krudd on tv tonight like a presidential candidate. Just loves the glow of media. A shame he could not deliver on the shine, but the charm certainly wont' harm labor

Yes I was struck by how presidential and imperturbable he looked.

I wonder how (current Foreign Minister) Stephen Smith is feeling about this 'make Rudd Foreign Minister' talk - must think he's become invisible.

All the same, if they are going to have Rudd in the cabinet, they'd be mad not to make him Foreign Minister. Get him out of the country and out of harms way, he can tool around over there at the UN, happy as. Smith is competent enough to do well in another portfolio.

 

[nioka]

All those people should have worked harder at school, went to uni and then got a decent job.



*ducks head* lol

OK. Can you tell me how all those useless uni graduates would find jobs if there was no one left to do all the hard work. There are too many of them out there now adding to the cost of production. I can just see a uni graduate collecting the garbage, checking out at Coles, cleaning the rest rooms, plucking chickens, slaughtering your meat, growing your vegs,cleaning your fish, building your house, driving your train or bus, etc etc and on and on.

Like I said get out into the REAL world.

 

[sam76]

ha ha!

You're so easy to bait Nioka, lol

Just joshing mate, the world needs ditch diggers otherwise who would the graduates have to manage?.

 

[trainspotter]

OK. Can you tell me how all those useless uni graduates would find jobs if there was no one left to do all the hard work. There are too many of them out there now adding to the cost of production. I can just see a uni graduate collecting the garbage, checking out at Coles, cleaning the rest rooms, plucking chickens, slaughtering your meat, growing your vegs,cleaning your fish, building your house, driving your train or bus, etc etc and on and on.

Like I said get out into the REAL world.

Q; What did the uni graduate say to the hard working honest man?
A; "Do you want fries with that?"

Look around nioka. It seems your prejudices towards people with education are starting to show. Very narrow minded point of view there Big Fella.

 

[DocK]

Dontcha love democracy - whether you've a string of uni degrees or barely educated, your vote is equal.