NSW Government Compiling Citizen Profiles

[Garpal Gumnut]

A secret and fascist compilation of peoples features has commenced in the rusty state of NSW.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/n...cial-recognition/story-e6frfro0-1225874819392

THE New South Wales Government is quietly compiling a mathematical map of almost every adult's face, sharing information that allows law enforcement to track people by CCTV.

Experts said yesterday few people realised their facial features were being recorded in an RTA database of drivers licence photos that the Government has allowed both state and federal police to access, The Daily Telegraph reports.

This outrageous behaviour, I had thought, was done with following the comprehensive rejection of the Australia Card over 20 years ago.

Be afraid of any government getting your details. and this from a Labor government. They have properly lost their way.

gg

 

[Tatts]

Next they will be charging people with thought crimes...

 

[Dunger]

Next they will be charging people with thought crimes...

And paying organisations $500 million of our money for a metro that will never be built... oh wait that's already happened...

Was that Francis De Groot knocking on Keneallly's door the other night? I hope so.

 

[roland]

and people wonder why Muslims want to retain the right to wear the Burqa

 

[awg]

This technology is fully developed and has been in covert usage for years.

Britain and Canada both use it openly

In theory, using many cameras ( as in Britain ), and linked high-power computers, wanted persons can be identified remotely on a worldwide basis, if linked to Interpol, for instance.

Its coming our way whether we want it or not.

Might have to grow back the full beard, long unkempt hair, wear big sunnies and a floppy hat.

Or maybe I can start up a company that sells close-fitting latex faces

 

[medicowallet]

What do we have to worry about, unless we are criminals?


I can only think that it might be bad if people hacked the system and changed profiles etc.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

What do we have to worry about, unless we are criminals?

No privacy which is a basic human right.

 

[medicowallet]

No privacy which is a basic human right.

Can you offer how they are using this information in a negative sense?


Also, I have no problem if a government uses my information for the greater good. ie reduce crime, increase productivity, correctly target benefits etc. If we choose to use their services, they should be able to streamline them.

 

[disarray]

No privacy which is a basic human right.

if you want privacy you're free to go bush. no cameras out there.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The UK probably has more surveillance via CCTV than any other nation on earth, and it is fast becoming the most dangerous Western democracy in which to live. The average citizen is pictured more than 100 times per day. So in relation to safety and the good life, surveillance does not work to promote a more harmonious populace.

Identification evidence can be easily tampered, This occurs even with DNA evidence, so the innocent do have much with which to be concerned.

The other aspect is the secrecy with which it is being done. This is often the hallmark of a fascist leaning government, Germany and North Korea come to mind in the thirties and since the end of WW2 respectively.

gg

 

[doctorj]

The UK probably has more surveillance via CCTV than any other nation on earth, and it is fast becoming the most dangerous Western democracy in which to live.

I'm no great lover of CCTV either - it seldom brings the results promised by those that support it. That said, I'd much rather be wandering down Liverpool St here at midnight than St Georges Tce in Perth. Murder rates are about 2 in 100,000 here, compared to 1.2 in Aus, 2.2 in Switzerland, 5.4 in USA and 58 in Honduras.

 

[inrodwetrust]

What do we have to worry about, unless we are criminals

When innocent people are treated as criminals?? perhaps

Fingerprints are only taken when people are arrested for a crime(or maybe suspected of one), so why should a faceprint be stored of everyone?

The last I was aware our judicial system is based on "innocent until proven guilty" .... since when was that changed?

Can you offer how they are using this information in a negative sense?

Well there is an example of 'recent' corruption case of the NSW Police Force, not involving face recognition stuff, but clear misuse of data by an member of the force in a position of authority.

The possibility of technology misuse might not necessary be directed against an individual but the community. The former highlevel NSW Police Assistant Commissioner is facing charges for something like supplying privileged information to criminals concerning drug importation etc. (DYOR for the details), still before the courts I think or was in the last 12mths or so.

No privacy which is a basic human right.

While also not directly related, the idea that privacy was passe was pushed by the founder of FaceBook.... an idea that he exploited to make his billion or so...now he is backtracking to make his product more secure and privacy options more protective.

I think a distinction has to be made between compiling info on criminals & ordinary citizens. Which is the way t always has been, so why change now?

CCTV...intrusive .. yes but possibly acceptable.
FacePrints of all individuals?? .... not required except by totalitarian regimes.IMHO

Also, I have no problem if a government uses my information for the greater good.

The problem is on definitions of "greater good"... who defines it? As an extreme example, "Mein Kampf"....I'm sure has lots of definitions of it.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I can give you an example of where this is all going.

Garpaldog has never been neutered. A bloke down the paddock in a new McMansion estate breeds poodles, I won't say any more about him.

Anyway one of his poodles was in heat, and Garpaldog sussed this out and went for a visit, unbeknowenst to me.

Well the inevitable happened, she seduced him, and he was fingered by the poodle owner as having gotten her pregnant and he came after me for compensation. I said "Proof".

The pups were born and they were labradoodles, the ugliest looking pups I've ever seen, the mother was ugly like all poodles by the way.

The owner asked me to have Garpaldog DNA tested. I said no way.

Anyway I get this writ served on me yesterday saying that I am responsible for the upkeep of these bone ugly pups until he can sell them to some mug. And he has proof that Garpaldog is the father.

Seemingly Garpaldog was caught on Google Mapping , "on the job" and it is unmistakeably Garpaldog as he has a genital abnormality similar to ole Bill Clinton's which is quite visible on the bloody shot from Google.

So this is a real life consequence of all this surveillance.

Where will it all end ?

gg

 

[gooner]

I note they are 90% accurate not 100%, so feed in my facial details and they will end up arresting Brad Pitt

 

[gooner]

I note they are 90% accurate not 100%, so feed in my facial details and they will end up arresting Brad Pitt

My wife just saw that and peed herself laughing. She thought more likely that Shrek would get arrested

 

[Atlas79]

Can you offer how they are using this information in a negative sense?


Also, I have no problem if a government uses my information for the greater good. ie reduce crime, increase productivity, correctly target benefits etc. If we choose to use their services, they should be able to streamline them.

Ask yourself first if the governments are using their current powers for "the greater good" in most cases, let alone in all cases.

If your answer is yes, and you can convince me with your reasoning, I will agree that government should be given more power still to watch over us.

 

[Julia]

I can give you an example of where this is all going.

Garpaldog has never been neutered. A bloke down the paddock in a new McMansion estate breeds poodles, I won't say any more about him.

Anyway one of his poodles was in heat, and Garpaldog sussed this out and went for a visit, unbeknowenst to me.

Well the inevitable happened, she seduced him, and he was fingered by the poodle owner as having gotten her pregnant and he came after me for compensation. I said "Proof".

The pups were born and they were labradoodles, the ugliest looking pups I've ever seen, the mother was ugly like all poodles by the way.

The owner asked me to have Garpaldog DNA tested. I said no way.

Anyway I get this writ served on me yesterday saying that I am responsible for the upkeep of these bone ugly pups until he can sell them to some mug. And he has proof that Garpaldog is the father.

Seemingly Garpaldog was caught on Google Mapping , "on the job" and it is unmistakeably Garpaldog as he has a genital abnormality similar to ole Bill Clinton's which is quite visible on the bloody shot from Google.

So this is a real life consequence of all this surveillance.

Where will it all end ?

gg

Pretty funny, gg, and no doubt Garpaldog is still blissfully unaware of the consternation he has caused.
Isn't it just as much up to the owner of the dreaded poodle to keep his female out of reach of testosterone filled suitors, as it is for you to keep Garpaldog away from the pleasures he no doubt feels rightly entitled to, once he gets a whiff of that in heat scent?

Second thought: once the poodle owner knew his bitch was pregnant, and presumably was sure he had not mated her with a suitable partner, why did he not have the litter aborted?

I've considered mating some of my females but always rejected the idea, largely because of this very problem of keeping away every male dog within about a 10km radius when the girl is in heat.

Please keep us posted.
Regards to Garpaldog.

 

[medicowallet]

Ask yourself first if the governments are using their current powers for "the greater good" in most cases, let alone in all cases.

If your answer is yes, and you can convince me with your reasoning, I will agree that government should be given more power still to watch over us.

I think that the government does do things for "the greater good" in most cases depending on their political viewpoint.

ie A labor pm wants to tax the ass out of mining companies to waste it on rubbish, is historically the right thing to do for a labor pm.


As for "the government" having my details, I have no problem with them having my tfn, medicare, birth, medical, employment, financial, pictures, criminal, family etc history.

In the context of using the information (they already have photos of me on their file) in trying to nab people for criminal activities, I am very happy for them to have this information. That way, they will be more efficient in capturing criminals (and the time saved will also save me money, or allow more police)

Can you please give me real reasons as to why using face recognition software to nab criminals is a bad thing.

 

[Atlas79]

I think that the government does do things for "the greater good" in most cases depending on their political viewpoint.

ie A labor pm wants to tax the ass out of mining companies to waste it on rubbish, is historically the right thing to do for a labor pm.


As for "the government" having my details, I have no problem with them having my tfn, medicare, birth, medical, employment, financial, pictures, criminal, family etc history.

In the context of using the information (they already have photos of me on their file) in trying to nab people for criminal activities, I am very happy for them to have this information. That way, they will be more efficient in capturing criminals (and the time saved will also save me money, or allow more police)

Can you please give me real reasons as to why using face recognition software to nab criminals is a bad thing.

To nab criminals is fine - but if a situation occurs where criminals begin doing the nabbing? Do you feel it is impossible for immoral, even evil, people to gain positions of power?

 

[medicowallet]

To nab criminals is fine - but if a situation occurs where criminals begin doing the nabbing? Do you feel it is impossible for immoral, even evil, people to gain positions of power?

And they don't already have access to enough information to do with what they please?

This thread is beginning to sound like it is on American Stock Forums.