Can Malcolm Turnbull rise from the ashes?
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Re: Can Malcolm Turbull rise from the ashes?
You are, of course, joking about Mr Tuckey!
There is just no one who would do any better than Turnbull.
Tony Abbott is lining himself up but hopefully they won't ever stoop to having him as leader.
To change leaders again would make them look even more foolish.
You are, of course, joking about Mr Tuckey!
There is just no one who would do any better than Turnbull.
Tony Abbott is lining himself up but hopefully they won't ever stoop to having him as leader.
To change leaders again would make them look even more foolish.
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i dont think they hold office anywhere at the moment.. so maybe the current leader or next leader of the libs will just be cannon fodder
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i dont think they hold office anywhere at the moment.. so maybe the current leader or next leader of the libs will just be cannon fodder
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Re: Can Malcolm Turbull rise from the ashes?
I agree Julia - building back credibility is the only way out of this. Mal needs to get a bit smarter about the political game, I think he has not realised how easily manipulated the public is, all it takes is a few headlines and that becomes public opinion. I was amazed at how quickly the ute affair (which -lets face it - had something in it for which KR needed to answer, even more so WS) turned into an examination of how malcolm handled it, not about the dodgy dealings that KR and co have been involved in.
I'm not sure that Malcolm can get himself as grubby as our career politicians do in order to be really successful....
I agree Julia - building back credibility is the only way out of this. Mal needs to get a bit smarter about the political game, I think he has not realised how easily manipulated the public is, all it takes is a few headlines and that becomes public opinion. I was amazed at how quickly the ute affair (which -lets face it - had something in it for which KR needed to answer, even more so WS) turned into an examination of how malcolm handled it, not about the dodgy dealings that KR and co have been involved in.
I'm not sure that Malcolm can get himself as grubby as our career politicians do in order to be really successful....
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Gawd!
The prospect of Labor in power for a few terms because the Liberals can't get their act together is truly bed wettingly frightening.
Come back Pete!!
The prospect of Labor in power for a few terms because the Liberals can't get their act together is truly bed wettingly frightening.
Come back Pete!!
Sadly, if Mal resigns, then it will seem that KRudd is choosing the leader of the opposition. We will have the electorate thinking that if KRudd doesn't like who the Liberals pick, he'll just give him pizzling and get rid of him.
What should happen is Mal needs to show some guts & determination - don't worry about what the media is saying, just do the right thing, stick with your policies & when the going gets tough, toughen up!
Thats the only way he's going to beat KRudds lying machine.
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What should happen is Mal needs to show some guts & determination - don't worry about what the media is saying, just do the right thing, stick with your policies & when the going gets tough, toughen up!
Thats the only way he's going to beat KRudds lying machine.
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There is a thread on ASF where Mr. C is being implored to come back. Apparently nominations for Higgins close on July 30 (according to said thread). One day left.
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If my memory serves me correctly a very similar thing happened with Labor around 2001 with Kim Beazly who lost the election only to be replaced by Simon Crean who steered the good ship "Credit Card" straight onto the rocks. Roll on late 2003 when a media hatchet job landed the ever popular Mark Latham to the prize seat of Union Leader. After a particulary nasty and spectacular meltdown in the heat of battle he was replaced by Kim Beazley Mk 2 on 28 January 2005. The media savvy Kevin Michael Rudd performed the best Brutus act in Caucus and managed to backstab his way to victory on the 4th December 2006. To Mr. Rudd's credit he has managed to deflect any mudslinging thus far and retains the mantle of "Supreme Ruler" to this day. (trolled form Kevin Rudd misled parliament thread)
It seems the term "opposition" also means party in turmoil on both sides of politics. Could be in for a long hiatus waiting for the Liberal factions to sort themselves out and finally elect a leader with hair on his balls. Back bone would be good as well.
Am thinking of starting my own political party and calling it "LABERAL" This way I can have the best of both worlds. Fiscal responsibility combined with spendaholic syndrome. In other words ... you rack up the debt on the "Credit Card" and you have the ability to pay it off. Just like in the real world.
It seems the term "opposition" also means party in turmoil on both sides of politics. Could be in for a long hiatus waiting for the Liberal factions to sort themselves out and finally elect a leader with hair on his balls. Back bone would be good as well.
Am thinking of starting my own political party and calling it "LABERAL" This way I can have the best of both worlds. Fiscal responsibility combined with spendaholic syndrome. In other words ... you rack up the debt on the "Credit Card" and you have the ability to pay it off. Just like in the real world.
Re: Can Malcolm Turbull rise from the ashes?
Ha Julia, ?????????????? did you not observe? I was just lighting the fire to see how much much smoke I could create!!
IMHO if Peter Costello does not surprise us tomorrow (closing day for his nomination for the saet of Higgins) I believe Malcolm can rise from the ashes having taken some hard knocks and learnt some hard lessons. He has to develope Rudd's cunningness and beat Rudd at his own game: ie better organised SPIN.
Ha Julia, ?????????????? did you not observe? I was just lighting the fire to see how much much smoke I could create!!
IMHO if Peter Costello does not surprise us tomorrow (closing day for his nomination for the saet of Higgins) I believe Malcolm can rise from the ashes having taken some hard knocks and learnt some hard lessons. He has to develope Rudd's cunningness and beat Rudd at his own game: ie better organised SPIN.
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Too much smurk. He should cane his parents for that. Otherwise a nice smile would have taken him all the way. Something so simple. A smile!
Just a nice smile Pete!!
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Oh dear...
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Don't look Johnny ... I really don't want to be leader. After Alexander Downer was forced to step down from the Liberal leadership in 1995, Mr Costello did not take on the role but supported Mr Howard. He later publicly revealed that he had made a deal that in return for support Mr Howard would step down sometime during his second term. However Mr Howard has always disputed a deal was ever made.
During his time as treasurer Mr Costello brought down nine budgets in surplus, eliminated Commonwealth debt, and implemented the GST, one of the biggest tax reforms in Australia's history.
Contrary to many in his party, Mr Costello also spoke out in support of lifting the ban on the abortion drug RU 486 after revealing he had to choose between saving the life of his wife or his unborn child when she became extremely ill during her pregnancy.
However Mr Costello's much-anticipated tilt for the leadership never materialised.
In the lead-up to the 2007 election, Mr Howard, himself under pressure over his leadership, said he would step down "well into his fourth term" to make way for Mr Costello.
When the Coalition lost the election, Mr Costello unexpectedly headed for the backbench and announced he would be leaving politics to pursue a career in business.
But he lingered on the backbench for another 18 months before announcing his retirement.
During his time as treasurer Mr Costello brought down nine budgets in surplus, eliminated Commonwealth debt, and implemented the GST, one of the biggest tax reforms in Australia's history.
Contrary to many in his party, Mr Costello also spoke out in support of lifting the ban on the abortion drug RU 486 after revealing he had to choose between saving the life of his wife or his unborn child when she became extremely ill during her pregnancy.
However Mr Costello's much-anticipated tilt for the leadership never materialised.
In the lead-up to the 2007 election, Mr Howard, himself under pressure over his leadership, said he would step down "well into his fourth term" to make way for Mr Costello.
When the Coalition lost the election, Mr Costello unexpectedly headed for the backbench and announced he would be leaving politics to pursue a career in business.
But he lingered on the backbench for another 18 months before announcing his retirement.
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No. This is the picture of Malcolm in future years;
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Memo to Malcolm Turnbull ..... "Dear Malcolm, Don't come Monday. Yours Truly, Tony Abbott"
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25845951-2,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25845951-2,00.html
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One thing still alive and well in Australia is the "tall poppy syndrome".
The 2009 annual BRW list of the richest Australians put Turnbull at 182 of 200, with an estimated net worth of $178 million. Based on this alone, he has a snow flakes chance in hell of being elected to the position of Prime Minister. How can someone with that much money relate to the average man in the street.
The 2009 annual BRW list of the richest Australians put Turnbull at 182 of 200, with an estimated net worth of $178 million. Based on this alone, he has a snow flakes chance in hell of being elected to the position of Prime Minister. How can someone with that much money relate to the average man in the street.
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More so than a career public servant turned politician type on the gravy train.
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Old news is still news in my book. Multimillionare Kevin Rudd thinks that disclosure rules do not apply to him.
He has intentionally kept financial interests hidden from parliament despite the fact that his family company Invisage received over $160,000.00 in government funding over the last four years:
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=145&ContentID=67402
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23520989-601,00.html
I think its about time that we all had a close look at Kevin Rudd financial affairs. He has used his influence within the labor party to build a multimillion dollar government contract empire for his business interests.
Alot of people take shots at Malcolm Turbull for being "an out of touch rich guy". But Kevin Rudd and his wife combined actually give Turnbull a genuine contest for the title: "Australia's richest parliamentarian".
Of course the difference between Turnbull and Rudd is that Turbull made his fourtune in the private sector with no help from the government. In contrast, the Rudd family has made their money by securing lucrative government contracts.
He has intentionally kept financial interests hidden from parliament despite the fact that his family company Invisage received over $160,000.00 in government funding over the last four years:
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=145&ContentID=67402
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23520989-601,00.html
I think its about time that we all had a close look at Kevin Rudd financial affairs. He has used his influence within the labor party to build a multimillion dollar government contract empire for his business interests.
Alot of people take shots at Malcolm Turbull for being "an out of touch rich guy". But Kevin Rudd and his wife combined actually give Turnbull a genuine contest for the title: "Australia's richest parliamentarian".
Of course the difference between Turnbull and Rudd is that Turbull made his fourtune in the private sector with no help from the government. In contrast, the Rudd family has made their money by securing lucrative government contracts.
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Fair point, Trainspotter. The difference is that Rudd is the PM and Turnbull the former merchant wanker will never be.
