Arrogant Americans

[websman]

A more serious question.What freedoms are Americans afraid of losing-especially under the Obama government?
But generally under any US government .

HUH??????????

 

[websman]

Australia rocks! Just felt like saying that.

 

[Mr J]

Here's the deal folks.... You can either fight for your freedoms, or you can just lay down, and let a dictator tell you what to do. I enjoy my freedom, and will defend it to the end. If you don't like the way America does things, then you can kiss my southern grits.

We don't have freedoms, we have privileges. We're free to do what we want, as long as the government allows it. We have rights, for as long as the government chooses to allow them.

 

[wayneL]

We don't have freedoms, we have privileges. We're free to do what we want, as long as the government allows it. We have rights, for as long as the government chooses to allow them.

Whoa there J!!

There are two types of liberties, positive and negative. What you describe is positive liberty. That is the system whereby everything is banned unless explicitly allowed. This is the system of Napoleonic law as practised in Mainland Europe. That is not English common law.

Anglo countries operate under the principle of negative freedom, that is, everything is allowed unless explicitly banned.

Privileges? Like f~~~ing hell!!!

We have freedom, unless we continue to allow our totalitarian wet-dreamers to gradually turn our negative liberty into positive liberty. If Australians allow that thorough ignorance and apathy, they no longer deserve the mantle of a great people and a great nation. It will be one of a mob of subjugated also-rans.

Don't f~~~ing stand for this "we have privileges" nonsense. That's sheeple talk!

But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours here on earth:
And now you see the light,
You stand up for your rights.

Get up, stand up! Stand up for your rights!

 

[dbcok]

We often see people talk about their freedoms being eroded.
One example is the opposition to a universal health-care system.Somehow the opposition equates this to government interference and a reduction of "freedoms".The lobby goups,doctors drug companies,etc seem to use the smaller government excuse for opposing a universal health scheme.
I think that a basic universal health scheme for all residents is a freedom not yet granted or won by many countries-especially some that claim to have superior standards.
There are those that think that the right to bear arms is a freedom.Others believe that this impinges on the freedom of others in society.
When people talk about freedoms I do not know what they mean-very broad terms -and unless explained are hard to understand .

 

[Mr J]

Whoa there J!!

There are two types of liberties, positive and negative. What you describe is positive liberty. That is the system whereby everything is banned unless explicitly allowed. This is the system of Napoleonic law as practised in Mainland Europe. That is not English common law.

Anglo countries operate under the principle of negative freedom, that is, everything is allowed unless explicitly banned.

Privileges? Like f~~~ing hell!!!

We have freedom, unless we continue to allow our totalitarian wet-dreamers to gradually turn our negative liberty into positive liberty. If Australians allow that thorough ignorance and apathy, they no longer deserve the mantle of a great people and a great nation. It will be one of a mob of subjugated also-rans.

Don't f~~~ing stand for this "we have privileges" nonsense. That's sheeple talk!

I admit I like to cause a stir . My point is that we're not free, and the government (and other powers in society) have control over us. We're free to do as we like, as long as the government considers it acceptable. Naturally, all acceptable actions are taxed and controlled if possible, or allowed to keep the people happy, to keep us controlled.

 

[Who Dares Wins]

.....If you don't like the way America does things, then you can kiss my southern grits.

Al Qeada didn't like the way America did things either....

But they didnt mess around with kissing your grits....

They just got on with it.

 

[Ageo]

Aside from all the political/nationalistic bashing.......

You cant help but after watching that vid have some respect for schiff.

I hear he wants to run for senate, but like Ron Paul it will be a long uphill battle.

 

[wayneL]

I admit I like to cause a stir . My point is that we're not free, and the government (and other powers in society) have control over us. We're free to do as we like, as long as the government considers it acceptable. Naturally, all acceptable actions are taxed and controlled if possible, or allowed to keep the people happy, to keep us controlled.

In a sense, I agree with that version of what you are saying...

...and it drives me insane with rage. During my recent hiatus from ASF I was the member of a Classical Liberal think-tank. You don't know half of what is going on to erode traditional liberties.

I had to get out, 'cause I was ready to turn into a CL version of Che Guevara. The time for this is not now; if you've ever watched The Time Machine (1960), we are turning into Eloi, but the Morlocks are human. There needs to be a mass awakening before anything can be done.

 

[2020hindsight]

Al Qeada didn't like the way America did things either....

But they didnt mess around with kissing your grits....

They just got on with it.

mmm
tough call there WDW,
they "got on with it" all over the world - including Bali ....

remember that Osama Bin Laden declared Aussies as enemies of AQ - (and before we went into Iraq) - for defending the Christians being slaughtered in East Timor !!

The facts :-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_timor

Independence
See also: Transitional period (East Timor)
Following a UN-sponsored agreement between Indonesia, Portugal and the United States and a surprise decision by the Indonesian President B. J. Habibie, a UN-supervised popular referendum was held on August 30, 1999, to choose between Special Autonomy within Indonesia and independence. 78.5% of voters chose independence, but violent clashes, instigated primarily by elements within the Indonesian military and aided by Timorese pro-Indonesia militias led by Eurico Guterres, broke out soon afterwards.

A peacekeeping force (INTERFET led by Australia) intervened to restore order. The militias fled across the border into Indonesian West Timor, from which sporadic armed raids were attempted. As these raids were repelled and international moral opinion forced Indonesia to withdraw tacit support,[citation needed] the militias dispersed. INTERFET was replaced by a UN force of International Police, the mission became known as UNTAET, and the UNTAET Crime Scene Detachment was formed to investigate alleged atrocities. UNTAET was headed by the late Sérgio Vieira de Mello as UN Transitional Administrator from December 1999 to May 2002.

Bin Laden's take on the facts :-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2455845.stm

Here is the statement, as translated by BBC Monitoring:

"In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, from the slave of God, Osama Bin Laden, to the peoples of the countries allied with the tyrannical US Government:

May God's peace be upon those who follow the right path. The road to safety begins by ending the aggression.

Reciprocal treatment is part of justice.

...............

"I mention in particular Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia.

We warned Australia before not to join in [the war] in Afghanistan, and [against] its despicable effort to separate East Timor.

It ignored the warning until it woke up to the sounds of explosions in Bali."

East Timor :- 1999/2000

Bali :- 12 October 2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
Iraq :- March 20, 2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_war

The man has no idea of the meaning of justice, let's face it.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Damn it!

Don't those arrogant Americans make you just want to chuck!

Chuck Feeney gives Qld $102m donation

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/27/2637717.htm

The Queensland and federal governments have welcomed what they say is the largest ever medical donation in Australia's history.

American philanthropist Chuck Feeney has given $102 million to three Queensland medical projects.

A total of $50 million will go to a research institute and Brisbane's Princess Alexandra Hospital, $27.5 million to the Queensland Institute of Medical Research (QIMR) and $25 million to the Queensland University of Technology.

QIMR director, Professor Michael Good, says it is the institute's largest ever philanthropic gift.

Professor Good says the money will enable the institute to begin constructing a new state of the art research facility at Herston, in Brisbane's inner north, worth $179 million.

The expansion will increase research capacity in areas including tropical diseases, vaccine development, cancer and genetics.

"It will also result in the introduction of a mental health research division and provide for the introduction of brain neuro-imaging facilities," he said.

"This is a new direction for QIMR and is aimed at improving our understanding of serious mental illnesses, including schizophrenia, mood disorders and neurodegenerative diseases."

He says the donation will also go towards Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health, with room for an additional 20 scientists researching cancer, asthma, rheumatic heart disease, dementia, maternal and child health.

"We are grateful and delighted with the continued support of The Atlantic Philanthropies, but the size of this support is almost overwhelming," Professor Good said.

Chuck Feeney is The Atlantic Philanthropies' founder.

The $27.5 million donation brings to $57 million Mr Feeney's total commitment to QIMR over the last 10 years.

The donation to QUT will go towards a new science and technology precinct at the university's Gardens Point campus in Brisbane.

QUT vice-chancellor Professor Peter Coaldrake says the donation underscores Mr Feeney's personal commitment to giving.

"The contribution of Chuck Feeney to QUT and the state of Queensland has been nothing short of remarkable," he said.

 

[websman]

Al Qeada didn't like the way America did things either....

But they didnt mess around with kissing your grits....

They just got on with it.

F-ck Al Qeada! It's just a matter of time before we blow those S.O.B.'s off the map!
Surely, you don't THINK that the World Trade Center bombing was funny, do you? If so, you are one sick S.O.B. yourself!!! A lot of innocent people died that day...IT'S NOTHING TO JOKE ABOUT!!!

 

[Mr J]

In a sense, I agree with that version of what you are saying...

...and it drives me insane with rage. During my recent hiatus from ASF I was the member of a Classical Liberal think-tank. You don't know half of what is going on to erode traditional liberties.

I realised a while ago that I just don't care as long as I have a good quality of life.

F-ck Al Qeada! It's just a matter of time before we blow those S.O.B.'s off the map!
Surely, you don't THINK that the World Trade Center bombing was funny, do you? If so, you are one sick S.O.B. yourself!!! A lot of innocent people died that day...IT'S NOTHING TO JOKE ABOUT!!!

Yes, because bombs can destroy belief. A lot of 'innocent' people die every day - somewhere between 100k and 200k. 911 was just a drop in the bucket.

 

[websman]

Yes, because bombs can destroy belief. A lot of 'innocent' people die every day - somewhere between 100k and 200k. 911 was just a drop in the bucket.

Al Quada has no problems with killing innocent people. If they are not stopped, the killing will continue. Unfortunately, that means killing them first.

 

[wayneL]

I realised a while ago that I just don't care as long as I have a good quality of life.

I can understand that. But collectively, it is a big mistake.

e.g. Here in the UK you can end up with a criminal record for overfilling your bin or putting it out too early http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/7360147.stm

 

[Mr J]

I agree, but I also look after myself, not society. I'm not against fighting or living outside the system, and will have no hesitation to do so if my standard of living falls to an unacceptable level.

Al Quada has no problems with killing innocent people. If they are not stopped, the killing will continue. Unfortunately, that means killing them first.

Apparently neither does the US government. They've killed more innocents than Al Qaeda could ever dream of killing. No, I'm not making an anti-US statement, just putting Al Qaeda's performance in perspective.

 

[Sean K]

Apparently neither does the US government. They've killed more innocents than Al Qaeda could ever dream of killing. No, I'm not making an anti-US statement, just putting Al Qaeda's performance in perspective.

Treading on shakey ground with these issues. Interesting to discuss, but tread carefully.

 

[websman]

I agree, but I also look after myself, not society. I'm not against fighting or living outside the system, and will have no hesitation to do so if my standard of living falls to an unacceptable level.



Apparently neither does the US government. They've killed more innocents than Al Qaeda could ever dream of killing. No, I'm not making an anti-US statement, just putting Al Qaeda's performance in perspective.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

 

[websman]

Treading on shakey ground with these issues. Interesting to discuss, but tread carefully.

Sounds like he's trying to push my button....

 

[Sean K]

Sounds like he's trying to push my button....

you're pushing some buttons here too websman.