Arrogant Americans

[wayneL]

America's destiny is to invade Australia...Just a matter of time, imo.

Already happened. Australia IS America.

(See Controversial Options Discussion thread)

 

[Sean K]

I love that movie! That's why America's destiny is to invade Australia...Just a matter of time, imo.

lol. You could invade, but you'd be fighting a guerilla war for decades after.

 

[nunthewiser]

lol. You could invade, but you'd be fighting a guerilla war for decades after.

amen.

 

[wayneL]

lol. You could invade, but you'd be fighting a guerilla war for decades after.

They don't think of those things though do they.

 

[2020hindsight]

Greetings all --
... Ron Paul and Peter Schiff worked together when Dr Paul was a candidate for the US Presidency...

howard, gr8 post -
btw, ever wondered what would have happened if Ron Paul had won the election? - under the extreme difficulties presented to the incoming president (whoever he was)?

 

[wayneL]

howard, gr8 post -
btw, ever wondered what would have happened if Ron Paul had won the election? - under the extreme difficulties presented to the incoming president (whoever he was)?

Greater short term pain.

Greater long term gain.

 

[prawn_86]

lol. You could invade, but you'd be fighting a guerilla war for decades after.

So just like every other war they have been involved with? :

 

[sam76]

I love that movie! That's why America's destiny is to invade Australia...Just a matter of time, imo.

You're not really helping your agument with comments like these -tounge in cheek or not.

 

[Sean K]

So just like every other war they have been involved with? :

But they did a pretty good job on the Japanese. I was reading up on the bombings this morning for some strange reason and they certainly stopped the war in the Pacific pretty quick. Approximately 170k killed in Hiroshima and 70k in Nagasaki. Mostly civilians. Puts 9/11 in perspective. Of course, the motives were different. The nuclear destruction of thousands of innocent people in Japan may have actually saved thousands of people on both teams in the eventual invasion of Japan, that may have gone on for some time. In fact, probably for years and years as the Japanese monarchy didn't want to surrender to the terms offered even after the first bomb. Could have cost millions of lives perhaps. Anyways, lucky the yanks were about in the Pacific in WWII, otherwise we'd be speaking Japanese. Or Russian.

 

[websman]

You're not really helping your agument with comments like these -tounge in cheek or not.

No arguement here...just poking a little fun on ya...lol

 

[howardbandy]

But they did a pretty good job on the Japanese. I was reading up on the bombings this morning for some strange reason and they certainly stopped the war in the Pacific pretty quick. Approximately 170k killed in Hiroshima and 70k in Nagasaki. Mostly civilians. Puts 9/11 in perspective. Of course, the motives were different. The nuclear destruction of thousands of innocent people in Japan may have actually saved thousands of people on both teams in the eventual invasion of Japan, that may have gone on for some time. In fact, probably for years and years as the Japanese monarchy didn't want to surrender to the terms offered even after the first bomb. Could have cost millions of lives perhaps. Anyways, lucky the yanks were about in the Pacific in WWII, otherwise we'd be speaking Japanese. Or Russian.

Hi Kennas --

Some historians feel that Japan was already defeated at the time the atomic bombs were dropped, and would have surrendered even without either atomic bomb.

Thanks,
Howard

 

[websman]

Hi Kennas --

Some historians feel that Japan was already defeated at the time the atomic bombs were dropped, and would have surrendered even without either atomic bomb.

Thanks,
Howard

Historians = Quacks

 

[howardbandy]

Historians = Quacks

If not from historians, who will we learn history from?

 

[Sean K]

Hi Kennas --

Some historians feel that Japan was already defeated at the time the atomic bombs were dropped, and would have surrendered even without either atomic bomb.

Thanks,
Howard

Yes, I read that also. However, it seemed that they were not going to be willing to surrender to the terms offered, even after the first bomb. I think they would have had to be invaded by a land force and fought right to the door step of the the palace. They were a very proud nation. The invasion could have cost many more lives, more infrastructure destruction, many more dollars. The concern over the use of a 'WMD' to finish the war could be a bit of a misnomer also. All sides were using bombers to hit cities throughout the war, in Europe and SE Asia. Is there a difference between conducting 1000 bombing raids with conventional weapons to one bombing raid with a Little Boy? Not much. Also, I got the hint that Russia was about to invade Japan. Imagine if Russia had have invaded and taken Japan after the war? eeeek. I think we wanted to finish off Japan quickly and occupy ourselves.

 

[websman]

Yes, I read that also. However, it seemed that they were not going to be willing to surrender to the terms offered, even after the first bomb. I think they would have had to be invaded by a land force and fought right to the door step of the the palace. They were a very proud nation. The invasion could have cost many more lives, more infrastructure destruction, many more dollars. The concern over the use of a 'WMD' to finish the war could be a bit of a misnomer also. All sides were using bombers to hit cities throughout the war, in Europe and SE Asia. Is there a difference between conducting 1000 bombing raids with conventional weapons to one bombing raid with a Little Boy? Not much. Also, I got the hint that Russia was about to invade Japan. Imagine if Russia had have invaded and taken Japan after the war? eeeek. I think we wanted to finish off Japan quickly and occupy ourselves.

The Soviet/Japanese Union??? Now that's a scary thought!

Here's the deal folks.... You can either fight for your freedoms, or you can just lay down, and let a dictator tell you what to do. I enjoy my freedom, and will defend it to the end. If you don't like the way America does things, then you can kiss my southern grits.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Holywood is probably a good measure of the US's obsession with themselves.

I'm watching Top Gun at the moment, and Mav and Goose have just been told they're going to Top Gun to fly against the best fighter pilots in the world. Just happens to be a US only school. Oooo, and Viper just said in his introduction that they are in the top 1% of ALL naval aviators.

Just a movie of course.

I prefer the original Mad Max with the chase scenes filmed around Anakie. Where all the good guys drive Fords and the badies all drive Holdens.

Oh also Max's sidekick is an Aussie named 'Goose'.

Again just a movie of course. :

 

[GumbyLearner]

The Soviet/Japanese Union??? Now that's a scary thought!

Here's the deal folks.... You can either fight for your freedoms, or you can just lay down, and let a dictator tell you what to do. I enjoy my freedom, and will defend it to the end. If you don't like the way America does things, then you can kiss my southern grits.

No probs here websman.

Just remember who MacArthur praised stopping the South Pacific Jap advance
at New Guinea.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Hi Kennas --

Some historians feel that Japan was already defeated at the time the atomic bombs were dropped, and would have surrendered even without either atomic bomb.

Thanks,
Howard

What about Iwo Jima or Okinawa?

 

[websman]

No probs here websman.

Just remember who MacArthur praised stopping the South Pacific Jap advance
at New Guinea.

Was it the Aussies???

 

[dbcok]

A more serious question.What freedoms are Americans afraid of losing-especially under the Obama government?
But generally under any US government .