Rugby League Louts

[moXJO]

Agree , Fatty Vautin wouldn't be game to travel north of the Don River bridge at Bowen without some heavies from Ch9 with him.

He is hated by all North Queenslanders bar none for his bastardisation of a young Cowboys Team in their formative years.

His mately caress of Johns on the Footy Show is the closest you can come to live ARL pr0n on TV.

gg

Didn't the cowboys tell Wayne Bennett he was to old and past it to coach them so he went to st george. Cowboys deserve every thing they get

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Didn't the cowboys tell Wayne Bennett he was to old and past it to coach them so he went to st george. Cowboys deserve every thing they get

The truth always hurts.

Within 3 years the Cowboys will be premiers.

gg

 

[moXJO]

I know the rumors about Thurston as well gg good player though. At least cowboys can be an exciting team to watch.

 

[Stan 101]

He is hated by all North Queenslanders bar none for his bastardisation of a young Cowboys Team in their formative years.

gg

Speak for yourself. My feelings of him are neutral. Neutral or positive would be relatively high, imho.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Speak for yourself. My feelings of him are neutral. Neutral or positive would be relatively high, imho.

Speak to anyone north of Sarina and listen.

He dumped on the Cowboys when they were a young team doing the hard yards.

When they got within cooeeof the finals he slunk into Townsville and did a Footy Show.

He's a grub.
A Grub.

Ask anyone in North Queensland.

gg

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Speak to anyone north of Sarina and listen.

He dumped on the Cowboys when they were a young team doing the hard yards.

When they got within cooeeof the finals he slunk into Townsville and did a Footy Show.

He's a grub.
A Grub.

Ask anyone in North Queensland.

gg

sorry for context this is about

Fatty Vautin

The Grub.

gg

 

[Julia]

Yes, and quite often these girls come from disadvantaged backgrounds or are even intellectually challenged. They are looking for acceptance and quite often don't realise that they have been degraded and hence often brag about their experiences to their peers.

You could make the same argument for the guys, especially young rugby players who lack the maturity to deal with fame, money and adoration.
There's zero evidence thats she's disadvantaged or intellectually challenged.

Scanspeak, you have appropriately answered Calliope on this.
I recall a particular instance where the daughter of friends engaged in many years of flagrant promiscuity with multiple partners, individually and with groups. She had an IQ of around 140, had received an excellent education, had a really decent home life, four siblings with no such behaviour.
So no disadvantage there.

This is pure utter rubbish. Not all women that are into group activities can be categorized as such. This is just as bad a generalization as all footballers are rapists.

Yes. Exactly.

It is very simple to gauge if this group sex practice is acceptable or not - get your girl friend, your sister or your mum to stand in as a victim until "she has enough".

Then you get her to tell everyone this practice is okay and its all part of the game.

Huh? What a bizarre suggestion which would prove absolutely nothing except a disrespect for your girlfriend, sister or mother.Persuading someone to do something completely out of character is meaningless.

Hi Metric,

I suppose the thing that jumps out at me is from that article is the question about: Why did the girl wish she said no? It appears (?) clear that she said yes at the time but then afterwards, for whatever reason, she wished she had said no. It seems obvious that any rational friend of hers would have talked her out of any of it before hand (for good reasons), but perhaps she felt that by performing the act she would receive something above and beyond what she got (nothing). Did she hate those guys because she felt cheated out of her reward? Did she hate them because she felt there was an implied promise from the players beforehand?

Ah, now this is probably an insightful suggestion. She may indeed have equated sex with affection, even an ongoing liaison, and the realisation that it was nothing of the kind for the blokes left her feeling very let down.

Perhaps it's some sort of fantasy along these lines which encourages groupies to offer themselves to so called celebrities. A fanciful daydream in which the football prince suddenly realises he has found the real love of his life. Hard to believe any girl should be so deluded, though.

 

[Julia]

. And why did the NZ Government consider it appropriate for her to receive Criminal Compensation assistance as a victim if she was the protagonist?

Prospector, she apparently received a payment from the Accident Compensation Commission in NZ. This doesn't have any implication or inference of criminality. The ACC is a body which awards payments to individuals on the basis of assessed physical or psychological damage from whatever cause.

e.g. if your husband's recent fall over a kerb had occurred in NZ his treatment would have been paid for by the ACC, some allowance paid in account of his being unable to work for whatever period, and there would be no question of anyone being sued. (not that I'm suggesting you would be doing this.).

It's like an extension of our Medicare and I wish it could be adopted here.
Everyone in NZ pays a levy just as we do with Medicare, no one sues anyone, and no one is disadvantaged if they have an accident or misadventure which renders them temporarily or permanently incapacitated.

According to what I've been able to find out, this girl was assessed by a psychiatrist to have a psychological problem - whether it stemmed from the Johns affair I don't know - and she was given a payment because she was deemed unfit to be able to work.

 

[Julia]

bolt nails it.....although id have prefered he wrote about the budget...?

Column - Yes does not mean yes
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Andrew Bolt
Friday, May 15, 2009 at 07:33am ..........

Thanks Metric. Good article from Andrew Bolt.

Catherine Lumby is a disappointing example of female academics.

, the best place for the victim is not to be in the middle of a media frenzy, but in a room with a professional councilor,

Exactly right. This is part of what I don't get. Her only motive in bringing up this unpleasant and grubby episode seven years later appears to be to exact revenge on the players. Doesn't seem as though she has matured much in seven years.

 

[Prospector]

Prospector, she apparently received a payment from the Accident Compensation Commission in NZ. This doesn't have any implication or inference of criminality. The ACC is a body which awards payments to individuals on the basis of assessed physical or psychological damage from whatever cause.

e.g. if your husband's recent fall over a kerb had occurred in NZ his treatment would have been paid for by the ACC, some allowance paid in account of his being unable to work for whatever period, and there would be no question of anyone being sued..

Gosh that sounds like a good scheme then. Fair enough. I thought it was like our Victims compensation scheme. Thanks for clarifying Julia.

 

[cuttlefish]

Exactly right. This is part of what I don't get. Her only motive in bringing up this unpleasant and grubby episode seven years later appears to be to exact revenge on the players. Doesn't seem as though she has matured much in seven years.

Give her another four years and she'll be nearly as mature as the bloke that lured her into the situation in the first place. (30 - 19 ... ).

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Thanks Metric. Good article from Andrew Bolt.

Catherine Lumby is a disappointing example of female academics.


















Exactly right. This is part of what I don't get. Her only motive in bringing up this unpleasant and grubby episode seven years later appears to be to exact revenge on the players. Doesn't seem as though she has matured much in seven years.

Give her another four years and she'll be nearly as mature as the bloke that lured her into the situation in the first place. (30 - 19 ... ).

I don't know what sexual planet you guys come from.

I agree with one having a root wherever you can find another individual who wants the same.

However I fail to see how you guys and gals can condone sex between a footy team and officials , up to 11 of them I believe and a 19 year old girl,

It sounds suss to me.

Sex is precious, personal, loving, aggresive and non agressive and has elements of consensuality ad non consensuality. A bargain is made and all is right.

These dickheads were just that , dickheads, ignoring consensuality, probity and dignity, and need to be exposed.

They may as well have been rooting a blowup doll.

gg

 

[So_Cynical]

However I fail to see how you guys and gals can condone sex between a footy team and officials , up to 11 of them I believe and a 19 year old girl,

It sounds suss to me.

Sex is precious, personal, loving, aggresive and non agressive and has elements of consensuality ad non consensuality. A bargain is made and all is right

I once met a 19 year old prostitute in Canberra...upon questioning her about her
employment choices, i was told she needed 400 a week to live and pay for her
university study's and it was either the ***** house for 6 hours every Wednesday
nite or 30 hours a week at McDonald's.

She choose the ***** house and 5/6 clients a nite...over endless happy meals.

 

[Stan 101]

Speak to anyone north of Sarina and listen.


Ask anyone in North Queensland.

gg

I am in North Qld, and have been talking to a plethora of people regarding football in general this week, including people from Sarina. Who would have thought. Matt Johns and the Footy show hosts were hot topics, hence my previous post.

Your comments are simply incorrect and exaggerated on this subject.

cheers,

 

[freddy2]

But it hasnt been established that this woman is a groupie.

John Butterfield (pictured) was the owner of the Racecourse Hotel in February 2002, and says the woman boasted to colleagues about having sex with two local rugby players, just hours before the group sex session that has rocked the NRL.

He says the woman, who was identified only as 'Clare' in an edition of the ABC's Four Corners programme, told work mates she'd had sex with two rugby players in a nightclub toilet the night before.

"She gloated to staff members about the great night she's had and the way she got them in the men's toilet and had a bit of fun with them," Mr Butterfield told 7News.

He added that she bragged about her involvement in both incidents for at least four days.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5570830/group-sex-woman-other-players

 

[Calliope]

In view of the mounting evidence against the moral character of the Kiwi girl, it now seems obvious that it was her stupid behaviour that triggered the sequence of disgusting events that followed on that night.

I now concede gloating rights to those who have been critical of her claim to "victim" status, and critical of me for my "naivety" in accepting this argument, even though some of the attacks against me were based on a deliberate misinterpretation of what I actually said.

 

[white_goodman]

I once met a 19 year old prostitute in Canberra...upon questioning her about her
employment choices, i was told she needed 400 a week to live and pay for her
university study's and it was either the ***** house for 6 hours every Wednesday
nite or 30 hours a week at McDonald's.

She choose the ***** house and 5/6 clients a nite...over endless happy meals.

theres no tread on those tyres anymore lol

 

[bunyip]

Rugby League players are generally a low-life mob who prove it with their behaviour on and off the field.
Apart from their well documented sexual indiscretions, they're generally foul mouthed, roughly spoken, and prone to rambunctious behaviour.
The sheilas who swoon over these blokes are not exactly ladylike and are probably of a similar standard to the blokes they idolise. Maybe they deserve each other.

Different story with Rugby Union players.....they're generally a far better type of bloke and are from far better backgrounds than League players. It shows in their behaviour both on and off the field.
Of course, it goes without saying that not every Union player is a saint and not every League player is a scumbag. But generally, the blokes who comprise one camp are vastly different in character and behaviour to the blokes who comprise the opposing camp.

Australian Rugby Union has recruited a number of League players over the years. I note that a high percentage of these former League players end up running off the rails and engaging in behaviour that brings the game of Rugby Union into disrepute. Some examples who spring to mind are Wendell Sailor, Lotte Tiquiri, Matt Rogers and Andrew Walker.

If I was a Rugby Union official I'd be very reluctant to recruit any League player into Rugby Union ranks.

 

[Prospector]

In view of the mounting evidence against the moral character of the Kiwi girl, it now seems obvious that it was her stupid behaviour that triggered the sequence of disgusting events that followed on that night.

I now concede gloating rights to those who have been critical of her claim to "victim" status, and critical of me for my "naivety" in accepting this argument, even though some of the attacks against me were based on a deliberate misinterpretation of what I actually said .

Yes, her behaviour and morals certainly are in question now, as are the ABC's quality of presenting the facts. It doesnt release Johns from the morality of a 30 year old family man, who is a mentor to younger players and appointed League spokesperson, to be publically about his behaviour. The parents of the junior players with whom he comes in contact with do need to know about the culture/values of the people to whom they are releasing their offspring.

To present a more rounded version of the events, the ABC should have done a more indepth review of how young girls behave around these men.

I do believe that things escalated way beyond where she imagined they would go; assuming she consented to sex with two of them still does not mean she consented to sex with the pack. But the waters are far too muddy now to work out even that.

 

[bunyip]

In view of the mounting evidence against the moral character of the Kiwi girl, it now seems obvious that it was her stupid behaviour that triggered the sequence of disgusting events that followed on that night.

I now concede gloating rights to those who have been critical of her claim to "victim" status, and critical of me for my "naivety" in accepting this argument, even though some of the attacks against me were based on a deliberate misinterpretation of what I actually said.

Well I won't exercise any gloating rights over you, Calliope. I'll simply say that your changed outlook on this incident has restored my opinion that you're a person who shows a commendable degree of common sense in your views.