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kennas said:
I agree Johns deserves all he gets, but lets not jump to conclusions about this woman, her behaviour, and current motives.

Could it be that she was happy to be there at the time but has since had a change of mind, and is now seeing $$ signs?

I await to see the outcome.

I doubt the full truth, fact, and feeling will be the outcome.

Just alterior motives.
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there really no dollars in his sort of thing in nz, like u cant sue anyone for personal injury etc. the nz cops took it very seriously, but what do u do when theres one vrs a dozen statements-all the same.
plus once johns made a formal police statement, he has to keep to it or hes in the slammer.
she was just some quiet naive country girl going to lincoln or canterbury uni.
and surely the idiot saw it all comming, and could have tried to clean it up by a public appology to the girl before having it drawn out of him. and his wife was doing well to protect her income stream. i guess he assumed it would be covered up like usual.
theres plenty on the girls background if u look, it dosent appear she even gets close to that fugly slapper also on the tv show.
i doubt moneys a motivation, she stated her motivation.
and why would johns worry about it for 7 yrs when it was so innocent and all.

his very few answers were just scripted by his pr advisors and lawyers.
 
Mysogony...that is one reason this is blown up in Rugby League.

The Footy Show...I cant bear it, but my youngest is a player and watcher.

The way those b@stards treated the prominent female sports journo ( name escapes me) who was panelist, was downright embarrassing to me as a male.

So now Matt Johns gone, who held it together.
Fatty so far past his use by date he stinks
Stirlo, good when he is not on camera.
Andrew Johns...tainted

hard to see where they are going to go.

On another note, I worked for some years with a young lady who was a diehard football groupie. She was fairly open about this, and described to me some situations she had been involved in.

She had many competitors, who used to compete incredibly visciously for the best opportunities...it was a game within a game, played as hard of the field, as on.

She often not able to entice the players, and missed out, despite being attractive and offering to perform various acts of indecency.

I know some of the guys as well, most of them really dont like this sort of thing, because they are too scared of getting caught out by their partner.

one thing for sure..these virile young fellows will be needing to exercise a lot of discretion before unzipping their flies.

final point...dont think Matt Johns used it as an excuse, to his credit.

but the amount of alcohol these guys consume, is by far the biggest cause of most all of the problems
 
scanspeak said:
Why is it that the media does not question HER behaviour, and the behaviour of groupie's in general?

Why do week seek understanding and compassion for the woman, but immediately condemn and vilify the man, in not just this case, but in all cases of sexual misconduct?

This chivalrous infantilizing of women is ridiculous, and this woman is manipulating the media and the Australian public. Being an adult means you take responsibility for your choices. Mathew Johns has done that, SHE has not.
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Yea! If she was in Iran we would stone her to death!
What rot! She is getting nothing out of it.
I know when I was 19 I was pretty innocent and could be dominated by older people.

At the time she was young and she got picked up by her hero, then shared with guys much bigger than her then left in the carpark like a piece of meat. One of the guys later said they should have got her a taxi.

It has ruined her life and trust in men and now after psychological problems she would now like to see them get some justice. Big rich successful Johns can look after himself. People have lost their jobs for less. Many people including me cannot stand the sight of him so he is no good for the ratings anyway.

It says a lot about some of the guys here about how they treat women.
 
It can be difficult for some men to understand the sheer power that men can have over women. Power that translates to inability to scream, move, or do anything. Kind of like the way animals, when dazzled by a light seem to lack the ability to move. They simply freeze on the spot. Particularly 19 year old women with well bulked men in their twenties - thirties. En masse. Add to that mix alcohol.

I understand that the ABC do not pay people they use in their stories.
 
Knobby22 said:
It says a lot about some of the guys here about how they treat women.
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Yep. For my part, I would believe that a star-struck girl made a dumb mistake and was taken advantage of by a group of testosterone-ridden, self-important opportunists. I can easily envisage how such a situation could have turned ugly very quickly. Maybe she kept it together and pretended to go along in order to keep herself safe. I find that more believable than a bunch of apes 'gentlemanly' taking their turn with a willing young girl.
 
Prospector said:
It can be difficult for some men to understand the sheer power that men can have over women. Power that translates to inability to scream, move, or do anything. Kind of like the way animals, when dazzled by a light seem to lack the ability to move. They simply freeze on the spot. Particularly 19 year old women with well bulked men in their twenties - thirties. En masse. Add to that mix alcohol.

I understand that the ABC do not pay people they use in their stories.
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You think she had no idea what she was getting herself into, P?

And, maybe money for a story is not the only value people get out of airing their confessions.

This is really good phychosocioanalysis stuff here. Very interesting.

Shame it happened, but interesting nonetheless.
 
Knobby22 said:
she would now like to see them get some justice
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The act wasn't deemed illegal. It was investigated by police.

Did this lady ever take any responsibility for her actions and the choices she made that night? She has and always had the right at anytime to discontinue with what was happening/happened that night.

It obviously has turned out that the lady has developed emotional problems for which she will need to seek out help for herself.

Matthew Johns never forced himself on this girl and yet he is getting treated as such for which is incorrect. How about the girl? How about being treated like a criminal in the media when you are no such thing, how about that theory?

While i feel sorry that this lady has developed emotional problems it always takes 2 to tango
 
Pappon said:
The act wasn't deemed illegal. It was investigated by police.

Did this lady ever take any responsibility for her actions and the choices she made that night?
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The Act was not 'deemed legal'. The evidence was simply not there to press charges. One female versus 12 Rugby Gods! Kennas, the girl asked a player for sex, specifically Johns according to his story. Two people went into the bedroom, another 10 males followed! You really think she chose to have sex with all of them?

And what is it with some men who like to 'go' where their friends have just been. Seriously gross.
 
Pappon said:
The act wasn't deemed illegal. It was investigated by police.

Did this lady ever take any responsibility for her actions and the choices she made that night?
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I think you need to look at the definition of justice, there are many.
Being able to punish someone by the law is not justice. One definition:

" justice is derived from the mutual agreement of everyone concerned; or, in many versions, from what they would agree to under hypothetical conditions including equality and absence of bias."
Or from Webster: the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action
 
Knobby22 said:

At the time she was young and she got picked up by her hero, then shared with guys much bigger than her then left in the carpark like a piece of meat. One of the guys later said they should have got her a taxi.
It has ruined her life and trust in men and now after psychological problems she would now like to see them get some justice.
It says a lot about some of the guys here about how they treat women.
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There are some here that want to treat woman like children, and others here that want to treat them as equals.

I belong in the latter group, so maybe I have more respect for the female gender than you.
 
Duckman#72 said:
Matthew Johns has an extremely high profile in NRL - so much so that he was an NRL ambassador for the NRL membership drive. He is well regarded and looked up to by all (in Rugby League circles) through his media and playing achievements.


And people seem to be missing the point - it has been the 4 Corners report regarding the NRL's culture and it's attitude towards sexual conduct that is at the core.


But this story isn't just about Matty Johns - look at the big picture. The NRL, and Cronulla should be ashamed of itself - they have hung Matty Johns out to dry. The NRL are great at making decsions - but only when they are absolutely forced to.

Those people who look at this event as "The Matty Johns Saga" are completely missing the big picture.



Duckman
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Hi Duckman,
OK, thanks for explaining the context. I'm entirely ignorant (thankfully) about anything to do with football and its stars.
Still, I'm puzzled about why the girl would want to talk about such an experience in a television programme. And how did she come to be included in the programme? Did 4 Corners dig around until they found her, and persuade her to describe her experience in order to add weight to their story about the generally woeful conduct of football stars?



Calliope said:
After listening to Matthew Johns last night and reading this morning's posts I must admit that I have had an epiphany and now realise that he has been subjected to unfair vilification by the media and I must admit, by me.

Let's look at this thing objectively;

. here was a 30 year old respected family man going about his business of being a role model for young footballers and a mentor for his team.

. he is accosted by a 19 year old kitchen hand (probably drunk) who is attracted by his fame, his rugged good looks and his fabulous sense of humour.

. she puts the hard word on him for a sexual romp.

. being a gentleman he cannot refuse.

. after giving her a serve any woman should be grateful for, and still being a gentleman, he steps back to allow his mates to gratify her wanton sexual desires.

. still being the gentleman he apologises to her afterwards in the car park for his mates' over exuberance.

. for any decent girl that should be the end of it, but as Cordelia knows she is using this this harmless frolic as an opportunity to make big bucks.

. as for the wives, partners and girlfriends they are naturally disgusted that this shameless hussy could use the bodies of their heroes in such a vile way, and get away with it.
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Calliope, you seem to somehow have knowledge of the thoughts and motivations of the girl concerned and be completely sure that she was 100% a victim.
Just one question for you: do you think it is impossible for any woman to be attracted to the idea of group sex, and to participate therein if such an opportunity were to be suggested?

I'm making no judgements about the girl. I can't because I have no idea about what sort of person she was.
 
scanspeak said:
There are some here that want to treat woman like children, and others here that want to treat them as equals.

I belong in the latter group, so maybe I have more respect for the female gender than you.
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Sure, she was treated as an equal, they even went to the pub with her after to discuss it and say how good it was. Johns was doing her a favour!
 
Knobby22 said:
I think you need to look at the definition of justice, there are many.
Being able to punish someone by the law is not justice. One definition:

" justice is derived from the mutual agreement of everyone concerned; or, in many versions, from what they would agree to under hypothetical conditions including equality and absence of bias."
Or from Webster: the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action
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We could go back and forth justifying our opinion all day so i'm not going to spend my time doing that, i have an opinion which differs from yours.
 
Pappon said:
it always takes 2 to tango
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Yes Pappon - but how many does it take for a group tango?

What happens if you end up dancing with someone you don't want to, or worse - didn't even know was there?

What if you said yes to the first dance partner and then more people cut in? You're in the middle of dancing, so nothing wrong with a new partner.... two...... or three?

Yes those Group Tango's can be messy.

Duckman
 
Knobby22 said:
Sure, she was treated as an equal, they even went to the pub with her after to discuss it and say how good it was. Johns was doing her a favour!
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Adults are supposed to take responsibility for their choices. She's 19, treat her as an adult.

You can't act as a willing participant, and then change your mind the next day. You cant pick and choose to be an adult when it suits you.
 
Duckman#72 said:
Yes Pappon - but how many does it take for a group tango?

What happens if you end up dancing with someone you don't want to, or worse - didn't even know was there?

What if you said yes to the first dance partner and then more people cut in? You're in the middle of dancing, so nothing wrong with a new partner.... two...... or three?

Yes those Group Tango's can be messy.

Duckman
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You say no
 
scanspeak said:
Adults are supposed to take responsibility for their choices.
She's 19, treat her as an adult.
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No in this day we are taught to blame someone for the consequences that results of our choices (from the media). Perfect example, Wayne Swan "oh debt is the fault of the liberals". Yeah because the libs handed out all that money didn't they Swan, retard!
 
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