Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[schu]

Schu, you must be on drugs when you say some one can look at a TV, and tell that drug is not the same as mine. After reading your post some people would think that Tony could have had some thing to do with it. Why would any one ask him about the drugs the Corby mule was caught with???. And Schu,, dad was good friends with tony, why would you move so for and buy the farm next door if would was not mates. Schu/Zacko, the hole you are digging is so deep be careful the sides don't fall in.

The police never asked Tony about the drugs Schapelle was caught with. They only commented on Mick Corby's lack of association when asked by journalists. Tony was interviewed as part of a documentary on the situation called Ganja Queen/The Hidden Truth. The crew spent 3 years putting it together and interviewed pretty much everyone who had ever been in any way connected to the case.

Tony gave an explanation of why the drugs on TV that were found in Schapelle's bag weren't like his. It was to do with the colouring and size of the buds. Now, not being an expert marijuana grower, I don't know how to do that, but like everything, I guess if you are experienced, you can probably be quite discerning. Tony had been growing marijuana for decades.

As for the two of them living next to each other twice, it had to do with relocation due to the mining company they both worked for.

 

[ZackW]

most of us who do not have a crush on corby believe she is guilty by the overhwleming evidence against her and by common sense.

There is no overwhelming evidence. There isn't a semblance of a tenable case against her. That is the whole point. This is what Schu, and others with the capacity to think for themselves, are well aware of. It is why it will not be allowed to lie.

There is a show trial, in which her human rights were systematically abused. There is a political/racist sentence. There is a media campaign to opinion manage the public (fooling the less intellectually inclined to believe that smear is somehow 'evidence').

There is also terrible suffering and misery. And there is a set of people demonstrably deriving satisfaction and pleasure from this.

we dont belive we are sick or twisted. just normal raitonal individuals.

Of course you are . This is how you normal rational individuals post, repeatedly, day after day:

Originally Posted by knocker:
How sad she is locked in a cage lol maybe she is vying for an acting career. Or maybe she had a rough night with the wardens.

Originally Posted by pilots
You lame ducks can cry all you like, I would suggest that you stock up on tears, you will need them, as you still have 16 YEARS TO GO.

Originally Posted by Calliope
Hopefully Corby won't be able to corrupt the gene pool while she is incarcerated. So that's a plus.​

To sustain that sickness you spin around and around with same smears and lies, ignoring the abuses which are documented and which are presented to you. It always comes back to some neighbor or relative or someone who once smoked a bit of dope. Pathetic.

This low-grade low-IQ tabloid rag gossip is a million miles from 'evidence' and is irrelevant to the REAL issues of human rights abuse, political/racist sentencing, and corrupt manipulation of public opinion.

If you are not bright enough, or are too twisted, to see this, that is your problem. It doesn't alter the facts. Does your mother and family know about your online campaign to hurt this suffering woman by the way?


Incidentally, the pertinent section on the media video starts at 2:01:

That part explains the smears you continually post. It explains where you got them from, and how they were inserted into your feeble mind as though they were somehow 'evidence'.

 

[Stormin_Norman]

about half the pot smokers on the coast have bought their green off her family over the years.

hahaha @ the video above. the price of pot in bali is low because the quality is low. good quality pot sells for more then the price of gold over there.

 

[ZackW]

about half the pot smokers on the coast have bought their green off her family over the years.

Yep: that pretty much defines an unsubstantiated smear and a lie. Proud of yourself for that one?

 

[knocker]

There is no overwhelming evidence. There isn't a semblance of a tenable case against her. That is the whole point. This is what Schu, and others with the capacity to think for themselves, are well aware of. It is why it will not be allowed to lie.

There is a show trial, in which her human rights were systematically abused. There is a political/racist sentence. There is a media campaign to opinion manage the public (fooling the less intellectually inclined to believe that smear is somehow 'evidence').

There is also terrible suffering and misery. And there is a set of people demonstrably deriving satisfaction and pleasure from this.



Of course you are . This is how you normal rational individuals post, repeatedly, day after day:

Originally Posted by knocker:
How sad she is locked in a cage lol maybe she is vying for an acting career. Or maybe she had a rough night with the wardens.

Originally Posted by pilots
You lame ducks can cry all you like, I would suggest that you stock up on tears, you will need them, as you still have 16 YEARS TO GO.

Originally Posted by Calliope
Hopefully Corby won't be able to corrupt the gene pool while she is incarcerated. So that's a plus.​

To sustain that sickness you spin around and around with same smears and lies, ignoring the abuses which are documented and which are presented to you. It always comes back to some neighbor or relative or someone who once smoked a bit of dope. Pathetic.

This low-grade low-IQ tabloid rag gossip is a million miles from 'evidence' and is irrelevant to the REAL issues of human rights abuse, political/racist sentencing, and corrupt manipulation of public opinion.

If you are not bright enough, or are too twisted, to see this, that is your problem. It doesn't alter the facts. Does your mother and family know about your online campaign to hurt this suffering woman by the way?


Incidentally, the pertinent section on the media video starts at 2:01:

That part explains the smears you continually post. It explains where you got them from, and how they were inserted into your feeble mind as though they were somehow 'evidence'.

Zacko dude you got a bad case of verbal diahorea today

 

[Stormin_Norman]

Yep: that pretty much defines an unsubstantiated smear and a lie. Proud of yourself for that one?

its only unsubstantiated because im hardly going to say i have on a public forum.

 

[pilots]

Zack/Schu, no comment about the FACT that your video has only one correct fact in it, the first one, she was apprehended with 4kg of grass.

Must be hard doing this all day,,

 

[pilots]

I love the bit in the video that said SMEAR HER FAMILY, well ZACKO, we sure don't have to do that do we, they are doing a EXCELLENT job all by them self.

 

[Calliope]

Schu

You seem to have plenty of smart answers. One thing that bothers me is that while you claim to be a member of Amnesty, who claim to represent the interests of thousands of political prisoners jailed in hell holes and often tortured, you can spend so much time on a tawdry case like Corby's.

Corby's prison, where the Corby money can buy privileges and comforts denied to other prisoners, is a holiday home compared to the hell holes in Africa for example.

Most prisoners imprisoned in totalitarian countries are there only because they resisted the current regime. Whether or not you agree with Corby's conviction, she was certainly engaged in a criminal activity, and she was well aware of the consequences of that activity ,which could have been capital punishment.

 

[FPSS]

Hi Everyone,

I just joined the forum. I have been working in the prisoner advocacy field for the last 7 years, since my own unlawful detainment in Laos. I'm happy to discuss issues on the Corby case if you would like, having also been involved in this particular case personally.

Cheers,
Kay Danes

International Humanitarian
www.foreignprisoners.com
www.kaydanes.com

 

[Calliope]

Originally Posted by Calliope
"Hopefully Corby won't be able to corrupt the gene pool while she is incarcerated. So that's a plus."

To sustain that sickness you spin around and around with same smears and lies, ignoring the abuses which are documented and which are presented to you. It always comes back to some neighbor or relative or someone who once smoked a bit of dope. Pathetic.

Sorry you didn't like it Zach. I was rather proud of that little bon mot, which I made in response to a smart alec slur on Corby deniers in a similar vein, made by a Corby apologist...a former "high ranking" Melbourne ex traffic cop.

 

[Agentm]

Hi Everyone,

I just joined the forum. I have been working in the prisoner advocacy field for the last 7 years, since my own unlawful detainment in Laos. I'm happy to discuss issues on the Corby case if you would like, having also been involved in this particular case personally.

Cheers,
Kay Danes

International Humanitarian
www.foreignprisoners.com
www.kaydanes.com

hello kay

i would be interested in your opinion myself,

in terms of the corby matter. how do you view the legal processes available to her thus far, and do you think she had allowed herself every opportunity given to her thus far or perhaps missed out on some good representation?

have you been able to form any view on the guilt or innocence of shapelle on the evidence thus far presented?

 

[FPSS]

hello agentm

At the onset of her case, I believe she did not receive the best legal advice according to her situation.

The facts of the matter regardless of innocence or guilt, is that she was detained with a large quantity of marijuana in her possession. She couldn't prove that it did not belong to her. The prosecutor couldn't prove that it did but anyone who has ever had any dealings with the Indonesian justice system knows that regardless of, burden of proof, [the Indonesian Criminal Procedure Code (KUHAP) clearly states that the burden of proof rests with the prosecution,] it's just that with accuseds who have limited political and monetary bargaining power, this provision isn't applied in practice in Indonesia.

So Schapelle was destined to be found guilty unless she could prove otherwise that the drugs did not belong to her.

Had she had good legal negotiators/advisors, then perhaps the length of the sentence would not have been so severe.

I think the question should be more about whether or not she had access to proper and appropriate legal counsel in order to be properly represented? I don't think she did and this is something that concerns me, as millions of Australians travel overseas each year and at least 750 find themselves requiring consular support/assistance.

Everyone should be entitled to proper representation and not what we've seen with the Corby case.

 

[chops_a_must]

I find that odd, because she appeared to have some pretty wealthy backing.

 

[robert toms]

Innocence or guilt aside....Whenever I go on a short trip to Asia I only carry hand luggage..or that which I can put in the overhead lockers.
In warm climates like Bali no need to carry more .It would be rather inconvenient to put a boogie board into cargo luggage and collect it on the other end.
How much is it to purchase a boogie board in Bali...under $10?
Best to buy one over there if you are dead keen to dodge the dog turds to get to surf.Then give it away when leaving.
Not being a surfer or similar myself,is a boogie board a specialised item of sporting equipment?
At best this girl is paying for being a touch naive.

 

[pilots]

Every beach in Bali has B Boards for hire, her sister worked in a surf shop that hired out B Boards, so why take one over to Bali??

 

[IFocus]

hello agentm

At the onset of her case, I believe she did not receive the best legal advice according to her situation.

The facts of the matter regardless of innocence or guilt, is that she was detained with a large quantity of marijuana in her possession. She couldn't prove that it did not belong to her. The prosecutor couldn't prove that it did but anyone who has ever had any dealings with the Indonesian justice system knows that regardless of, burden of proof, [the Indonesian Criminal Procedure Code (KUHAP) clearly states that the burden of proof rests with the prosecution,] it's just that with accuseds who have limited political and monetary bargaining power, this provision isn't applied in practice in Indonesia.

So Schapelle was destined to be found guilty unless she could prove otherwise that the drugs did not belong to her.

Had she had good legal negotiators/advisors, then perhaps the length of the sentence would not have been so severe.

I think the question should be more about whether or not she had access to proper and appropriate legal counsel in order to be properly represented? I don't think she did and this is something that concerns me, as millions of Australians travel overseas each year and at least 750 find themselves requiring consular support/assistance.

Everyone should be entitled to proper representation and not what we've seen with the Corby case.

Hi Kay

What would have been the go for legal advice / negotiation?

 

[Stormin_Norman]

i would have thought the name 'hotman' as a lawyer choice would have been a giveaway.

 

[ewann]

about half the pot smokers on the coast have bought their green off her family over the years...

I find it hard to believe that ½ of the pot smokers on the coast get their supply from the Corby family, yet the police have nothing on them. Don’t you think that if this many people relied on them as their supplier that someone would have been more than happy to blow the whistle on the supposed operation, ending the debate once and for all? The Corby family doesn’t have anything to do with selling marijuana. This is just another unsubstantiated rumor that is run as part of a smear campaign, in which you only continue the viscous cycle of lies.

 

[Stormin_Norman]

welcome to the board. i think youll find the police did know them.

what do you think gold will be doing this year?