Cut in Immigration?

[mayk]

Deviated from the topic again, and turned it into race baiting.

The original question is should immigration be slashed, as per this news:

Govt may cut migration intake: Evans
October 26, 2008 - 12:15PM
The federal government will wait until fresh economic data is released next month to reassess the nation's migration intake amid the global financial crisis.

I guess a more debatable point is the following:

Senator Evans said it was easy to call for a migration reduction but it was important to consider migrants actually had a positive impact on the economy.

"What we know is most migrants have better job outcomes than Australians locally. We know that they consume, they buy property and they're a net positive to the budget," he said.

"So while it's easy to call for a slow-down in migration, there are actually very strong, positive economic impacts that come from migration, particularly if you are bringing in skills that allow you to build the economy.

"And a lot of the skills that are coming in at the moment are in the mining sector, which has allowed us to increase our exports."

http://news.theage.com.au/national/govt-may-cut-migration-intake-evans-20081026-58tu.html

Is Immigration good, of course, if they can help Australia grow, the social implications as pointed out by the original poster are secondary (yes important) considerations.

I do support skilled immigration, if skills are needed, like doctors, engineers, nurses, miners (if Aussies are not willing to work).

First generation always have trouble adjusting, while second and third generations are more easy to blend in.

 

[Largesse]

Complete bollocks.

The mum has been disciplined at two separate universities now for failing full fee paying international students for not being literate, and hence providing rubbish as assessment.

was about to say.....

i've heard from a number of lecturers/tutors that i know personally that they 'aren't allowed' to mark down poor english skills from international students, and in some circumstances domestic students aswell.

bloody pathetic if you ask me.

 

[bluelabel]

Chinese and Indian immigrants....who all have Masters degrees, thanks to our Universities dumbing down the level of postgraduate studies to accommodate their poor language skills.

Example
I am currently studying accounting at TAFE and we had an Indian immigrant who was appointed as one of our teachers. He was 25, had two degrees, had no industry experience and could hardly speak a lick of English. The TAFE thought that because he had two degrees he would make a good teacher, they gave no consideration to his language skills. If this is the level of which our institutions are willing to accept as a learning facilitator then I believe this is inadequate and an advanced level of comprehension, grammar and English needs to be met, advanced, not basic.

My Rant
I believe that if people wish to come to Australia they should do so because they like the country for what it is. If they left their country, it was for a reason. If you don’t like your country don’t come here and try and change Australia into a version of your country. You came here to be Australian. If we go to other countries we as Australians are taught to respect their cultures and as far as I know, we do. Yet if an immigrant comes to Australia and doesn’t want to be Australian they don’t be Australian and as soon as someone says something about it the immigrant jumps up and down and cries racist. In my opinion, they are the ones being racist.

So in relation to the restriction of immigration, I feel that as stated above immigrants need to adapt to the Australian way of life that they found so appealing to move here. They need to integrate into Australian society and they need to contribute to the society in a productive manner, if not then their visa needs to be cancelled and they be made to go home. So if immigrants are not willing to do this then they should not be permitted into the country. How you measure this i don't know and i realise the difficulties on doing so.

I am by no means saying that as soon as they come here they do away with their cultures and beliefs. I am all for it. Just don't force it on me, don't force it on my family, and don't force it on my fellow Australians, we have the choice to adapt your culture if we choose to. Just like you chose to move to Australia for what it is. We didnt force it upon you. You saw, you liked, you moved.


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[xyzedarteerf]

population is becoming outnumbered by Chinese and Indian immigrants....who all have Masters degrees, t

if your not wasis then why do you single out Indians and the Chinese out of all the Imegants

 

[numbercruncher]

Seems to me that Labour is hell bent on destroying the wage demands of the " skilled Labour " brigade.

Ofcourse immigration will eventually have to be slashed, a deep global recession is unfolding.

I understand over the last 12 months that emigration was the biggest on record ! are we even attracting quality people here anymore ? do we sit on the verge of becoming the long awaited banana republic ?

I see Chinese and Indians being mentioned in this thread, i think their numbers are disproportionately represented on the street because of the sheer number of them coming here on ma and pas dime to study - once again the collapsing world economy will mop up this little scam ......

So in short a cut in immigration is enevitable imho, we dont need anymore people to maintain a sustainable future anyways, and thats applicable to the whole planet .....

I think the most successful countries of the future will be those with lower population burdons ....

 

[Happy]

Wonder why he got voted off then...
Agree with parts of Howard's speech; Anyways its just the minority spoiling it for the majority...

As for 'foreign' population exceeding white Caucasian population (92%), i guess its gonna be quite a while...

One middle eastern man on social benefit furnishing his veggie shop, was shown on one of the Currant Affairs programs: had 3 wives, one lived with him, other two lived in public housing houses on single mother pension with children. (It was segment regarding polygamy in Australia).

If one male can make from 6 – 7 to 18 - 27 children in his breeding period, your 92% will shrink fast.

You might say nobody stops 92% do the same, but many people actually try to have only children they can support and give them good education without burdening social benefit services.

Difficult issue, and as mentioned before, the minute you open your mouth you are called racist, what a joke!

 

[noirua]

One middle eastern man on social benefit furnishing his veggie shop, was shown on one of the Currant Affairs programs: had 3 wives, one lived with him, other two lived in public housing houses on single mother pension with children. (It was segment regarding polygamy in Australia).

If one male can make from 6 – 7 to 18 - 27 children in his breeding period, your 92% will shrink fast.

You might say nobody stops 92% do the same, but many people actually try to have only children they can support and give them good education without burdening social benefit services.

Difficult issue, and as mentioned before, the minute you open your mouth you are called racist, what a joke!

The days of plenty may be gone and just as in Britain, all the Eastern Europeans are jetting out as the currency slumps, you may not be able to prevent them from going.

Aussies working abroad have suddenly seen a big increase in their earnings in the States, in Aussie terms, so it may be Aussie citizens who crowd the planes.

There is a new campaign in the UK to get their citizens to head for Aus, funded by Rudd & co. The tanking of the AU$ has made plans that much easier.

 

[derty]

I support the reduction of immigration, purely as it seems pointless to be bringing in workers when it is likely that the unemployment rate in Australia will be rising.

Not for the racist reasons of a few of the posters in this thread. Though when times get tough the ugly nationalism seems to come through when the paint begins to crack.

 

[xyzedarteerf]

this thread seems to be heading towards this discussion a few months ago.

 

[noirua]

Queue to leave broken Britain: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/article949345.ece

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Queue to leave broken Britain: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/article949345.ece

Thanks for posting that.

Some questions regarding England.

Considering there is such a small island for the English to live on why do they have immigration?

 

[numbercruncher]

Yes its crazy hey - they dont need immigratin at all, yet just let who ever flood in, almost like its designed to aggravate the natives.

I once read the UK can produce enough food for 20m people, yet have 60m+ , obviously they are grossly overpopulated ....

 

[noirua]

Thanks for posting that.

Some questions regarding England.

Considering there is such a small island for the English to live on why do they have immigration?

I was told once that the UK Government wants to raise the population higher than that of Germany and France. These two countries are seen as leaders in Europe, but the UK thinks they are. (I say UK as some parts of Britain are not members: Isle of Man and Channel Islands.)

 

[sinner]

Yes its crazy hey - they dont need immigratin at all, yet just let who ever flood in, almost like its designed to aggravate the natives.

What a rediculous statement to make.

For centuries the British made their fortunes on the backs of their "colonies" i.e. slavery, class stratification, Opium Wars, EITC, etc etc the list of heinous **** committed under the name of Queen and Country is ENDLESS and now those people are coming back a few generations later to try and reap the fruits of THEIR ancestors labour the "natives" have the gall to complain!

I am quoting this from another forum, a poster whom I hold a lot of respect for:

Western Europe succeeded on the back of African failure. England didn't become a superpower selling peat moss, folks; it invaded other regions, established resource/labor-exporting colonies, and benefited for the next two centuries. African states became independent only in the last forty years or less, and they inherited the infrastructure of unsustainable colonial enterprise which brought together nations heretofore separate under the practice of slavery. They inherited mono-sector economies, and you can't feed a newly independent country with cotton or cocoa. Countries which seemed at first to make a go of things did so just in time for the Cold War; the United States and U.S.S.R. came to Africa and fomented civil war, introducing not new manufacturing or agricultural technologies, but instead the Kalashnikov rifle, the AK-47. When the Cold War ended in 1991, few African states could even make the attempt at development, but even if they did... the so-called Western world introduced the Structural Adjustment Program (SAP) in order to convert these states into... (wait for it) .... cheap sources of labor and raw materials.

We are all complicit in this SAP **** that goes on across the globe in the 3rd world, do not deny it.

 

[numbercruncher]

The Germans shot holes in my Grand-Daddys yet I dont feel like they owe me anything .... ? Yet you think the descendants of centuries old English injustice have some sort of claim over the UK ? and thats even assuming all these people rocking up their infact are ..... odd argument ...

But each to their own, multi-generation/century grudges seems to be embraced by sheeples across the world !

I wonder who it is who gives africa most its aid and what would happen if it was withdrawn ?

Why are we now speaking about africa anyways ?

Face it the current British Governemnt are a pack of idiots, not at all popular, blagging it all the way, not representive of the average persons view etc ..

And I dont feel complicit at all in 3rd world affairs, they mostly choose their own fate, millions of examples abound - ie/ Zimbabwe throw all the white farmers out because they hate white people then starve then blame white people - yeah great - sad that people like yourself agree with this kind of thinking though.

You should be out vehmently opposing Globilisation and free trade so as to spare anyone anymore suffering from western oppressors.

have a nice morning ....

 

[sinner]

I brought up Africa, because despite what nationalist types might have you think, the majority of immigration to England is by citizens of former colonies!

So by your logic slate is wiped clean each generation or something then? Nobody ever has to take responsibility for the past? Sounds excellent in your little fantasy land!
I take such offence at being labelled "sheeple" I will refrain from interacting with you any further than this post in the future.

I wonder who it is who gives africa most its aid and what would happen if it was withdrawn ?

This is an even more rediculous query. Maybe a better question would be why an ancient continent with more culture, history, resources and potential than England needs aid instead of being the superpower?

Face it the current British Governemnt are a pack of idiots, not at all popular, blagging it all the way, not representive of the average persons view etc ..

Face it mate, from the several I know well and especially those backpackers I encounter when travelling they are well conditioned to be against immigration with heavy "nationalistic" tendencies if they are white!

And I dont feel complicit at all in 3rd world affairs, they mostly choose their own fate, millions of examples abound - ie/ Zimbabwe throw all the white farmers out because they hate white people then starve then blame white people - yeah great - sad that people like yourself agree with this kind of thinking though.

LOL! Yeah right, cos white Zimbabwean people have a monopoly on the skills and knowledge required to grow food, no way could a black Zimbabwean ever farm enough to feed his peers! Sad that you're such a bigot...

You have got to be kidding me... I'm almost speechless. Maybe they blame the white people 'cos white farmers could get land and fertiliser and govt support on cheap/free/subsidised credit while black people need to buy land they can't ever possibly afford, fertiliser from international companies that won't do business with them unless they comply with IMF "guidelines" on issues ranging from abortion to fiscal policy and support from nonexistent scientific agencies!

Just think of how much the white people in Zimbabwe must have screwed over the black people that they gave their support to a ****-stick like Mugabe! And now what do the British do with their ex-colony? Issue written "condemnation" of massacres and free speech suppression and economic manipulation of their ex-Commonwealth-citizens all the while invading Iraq!

 

[noirua]

Who can we blame? Some Britains, probably only about 12, still blame the Roman Empire for enslaving them for four hundred years (thousands died in the galleys or were fed to the lions) and Normandy for 200 years (heavily taxed every village and took over land throughout England).

Some Aussies blame the British for what happened to the Aborigines and we were not to blame as we were prisoners.

Surprisingly, there are far more people who blame Alexander the Great for his conquests two and a half thousand years ago in countries where nothing much changes.

The British and French hate each other from a battle fought about 600 years ago when King Henry V told his archers to fire on 6,000 French prisoners of war.
France also wants the British Channel Islands back as they belonged to Normandy at the time it became part of France in the 15th century.

 

[numbercruncher]

I brought up Africa, because despite what nationalist types might have you think, the majority of immigration to England is by citizens of former colonies!

So by your logic slate is wiped clean each generation or something then? Nobody ever has to take responsibility for the past? Sounds excellent in your little fantasy land!
I take such offence at being labelled "sheeple" I will refrain from interacting with you any further than this post in the future.



This is an even more rediculous query. Maybe a better question would be why an ancient continent with more culture, history, resources and potential than England needs aid instead of being the superpower?



Face it mate, from the several I know well and especially those backpackers I encounter when travelling they are well conditioned to be against immigration with heavy "nationalistic" tendencies if they are white!



LOL! Yeah right, cos white Zimbabwean people have a monopoly on the skills and knowledge required to grow food, no way could a black Zimbabwean ever farm enough to feed his peers! Sad that you're such a bigot...

You have got to be kidding me... I'm almost speechless. Maybe they blame the white people 'cos white farmers could get land and fertiliser and govt support on cheap/free/subsidised credit while black people need to buy land they can't ever possibly afford, fertiliser from international companies that won't do business with them unless they comply with IMF "guidelines" on issues ranging from abortion to fiscal policy and support from nonexistent scientific agencies!

Just think of how much the white people in Zimbabwe must have screwed over the black people that they gave their support to a ****-stick like Mugabe! And now what do the British do with their ex-colony? Issue written "condemnation" of massacres and free speech suppression and economic manipulation of their ex-Commonwealth-citizens all the while invading Iraq!

Im sorry to hear you are a racist African.

Enjoy your life in which ever country tolerates your fascist commentary.

Thankyou.

 

[mayk]

Im sorry to hear you are a racist African.

Enjoy your life in which ever country tolerates your fascist commentary.

Thankyou.

I am confused is Africa a country

Well this thread will go down the gruggler soon.

 

[Bobby]

Just let me ask this question ?

Do Aussies want more humans from third world countries

I don't !!

Bob.