Abortion

[freddy2]

Any society that cannot or will not defend its most vulnerable and innocent members is a society in terminal decay.

In relation to legalised abortion experience doesn't bear this out. Give one example of a country where legalised abortion has led to societal decay - you can't. That is unless "terminal decay" means less people following 2000 year morals and believing in superstitious nonsense.

 

[refined silver]

I am speaking from Personal experience. I have an autistic son, he is 19 years old I have been by his side fitting for his rights at local and state governemnt level to access assistance which is taken for granted. If I knew I was pregnant again with a child suffering any disability I would terminate it immediately. I have watched his suffering and struggle through life and it has been heart wrenching at times. That is not fair to bring a child into this world where in reality they do not receive the same assistance as others and living on the disability pension is a pure joke.

Green you deserve incredible admiration for what has been a very difficult and thankless task. However I still can't agree with your conclusions.

If you are saying that life with Autism is such a struggle he would be better off dead, firstly, shouldn't your son have the right to make that decision not you? Secondly, if its true, what difference does it matter whether he is in or out of the womb when you kill him?

Thirdly, everyone keeps talking about raising a child for 20yrs. If the parent cannot cope, there is adoption. There are huge waiting lists, overseas adoption is very costly ($30k-50k in most places) and drawn out, yet there are no local babies for adoption. The govts even try to steer people to fostering instead of adoption. There are people even prepared to adopt kids/babies with disabilities.

 

[tigerboi]

abortion:Its a womans legal right to decide

This subject is always emotional however ive always believed that it is up to the woman to decide but after 24 weeks is way too long as with the advances in medicine many babies are born pre 24 weeks these days.

toughest decision id say any woman will make in her life,reckon us blokes should keep our heads out of it & stand by your woman & her decision if it ever came to it...tb

 

[Pat]

If only society could be ideal ... but it itsn't. Some women will find themselves unexpectedly pregnant and after a few days will know in their hearts that they want to nuture and raise this beautiful thing inside them in spite of it being unexpected. Others will feel sick with the responsibility so early in life. Others will want to have the baby but will feel pressured by their partners, parents or others in society to let it go. Whether the baby would or would not have been born into a good, nurturing environment is always difficult to know - there are many babies born into an environment of abuse and neglect - is this the better thing for them? Is it more likely that an unwanted baby will be born into this sort of environment than a stable nurturing one?

I don't know the answers, but until I do I'm more than happy to allow the woman, who will have the 24 hour a day, 7 day a week, 365 days a year, for the next 20 years, responsibility, to decide.

Cuttlefish, I was trying to decide how to express how I felt about this issue, and then I read your post. I just don't have anything to add. Thank you.

Cuttle fish I 3rd that.

Good words there. Really good!

 

[Green08]

Green you deserve incredible admiration for what has been a very difficult and thankless task. However I still can't agree with your conclusions.

If you are saying that life with Autism is such a struggle he would be better off dead, firstly, shouldn't your son have the right to make that decision not you? Secondly, if its true, what difference does it matter whether he is in or out of the womb when you kill him?

I will forgive your lack of understanding of my situation. I obviously not kill him now. But had I known when I was pregnant and known the full impact of his disability and struggle he has which by not fault of his own, has impacted immensly on my family, Yes I would have terminated. Husband walked out couldn't cope, refused to pay maintancence, his sister has been patiently waiting for her time with me. He is acutely aware of his autistism and has said several times "Mummy, take austism away" How do you respond. I can't I have told him I can't and he knows that I love and adore him. I had my children young and wanted them. Now they are here I will do all I can to look after them. However comments like yours are very self centered and over look the entire scope of the impact. The choice is mine and it will always be mine alone. It is my body, my life and I live with my choices no-one else.

 

[Green08]

All of you watch George Calin give a really performance of this issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrXvDXVhqfU&feature=related

Pro Life is Anti-Woman - George Carlin

 

[Julia]

I will forgive your lack of understanding of my situation. I obviously not kill him now. But had I known when I was pregnant and known the full impact of his disability and struggle he has which by not fault of his own, has impacted immensly on my family, Yes I would have terminated. Husband walked out couldn't cope, refused to pay maintancence, his sister has been patiently waiting for her time with me. He is acutely aware of his autistism and has said several times "Mummy, take austism away" How do you respond. I can't I have told him I can't and he knows that I love and adore him. I had my children young and wanted them. Now they are here I will do all I can to look after them. However comments like yours are very self centered and over look the entire scope of the impact. The choice is mine and it will always be mine alone. It is my body, my life and I live with my choices no-one else.

Green, I can't begin to imagine the difficulties you must have faced. All I can offer is respect for all that you say and admiration for your courage and energy.

For anyone to take a morally superior tone regarding your view that if you'd known what was ahead you would have had an abortion just demonstrates their insensitivity. No one has the right to judge any woman in such a situation.

All the best.

 

[refined silver]

The choice is mine and it will always be mine alone. It is my body, my life and I live with my choices no-one else.

I say again my congratulations and respect at your incredible self-sacrifice and love.

A woman can do whatever she likes to her own body, nobody disagrees. The problem is that a baby is not her own body, it is someone else, and its not her own life, its someone elses who is a unique individual with their own rights. If it is ok to kill a baby in the womb, why not out of it as well?

 

[cuttlefish]

I can see the motivation for your view but I really think that there is a lot of idealism embodied within it.

Society is not so simple. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes before making judgement imo. There are reports every second day of children being neglected or abused - why risk bringing more children into these sorts of environments - causing harm to both the child and the mother responsible for bringing it into the world. Life is precious and bringing a child into an environment where it is not wanted and where there is nobody able to commit to nurturing it and raising it could also be argued as being a cruel thing to do - to both the mother and the child.

 

[Pat]

A woman can do whatever she likes to her own body, nobody disagrees. The problem is that a baby is not her own body...

Mate your asking for it.

 

[blogs]

If only society could be ideal ... but it itsn't. Some women will find themselves unexpectedly pregnant and after a few days will know in their hearts that they want to nuture and raise this beautiful thing inside them in spite of it being unexpected. Others will feel sick with the responsibility so early in life. Others will want to have the baby but will feel pressured by their partners, parents or others in society to let it go. Whether the baby would or would not have been born into a good, nurturing environment is always difficult to know - there are many babies born into an environment of abuse and neglect - is this the better thing for them? Is it more likely that an unwanted baby will be born into this sort of environment than a stable nurturing one?

I don't know the answers, but until I do I'm more than happy to allow the woman, who will have the 24 hour a day, 7 day a week, 365 days a year, for the next 20 years, responsibility, to decide.

The answer is simple-ask ANY child born into ANY enviroment, whether it be abuse, war or poverty and ask them if they would rather be dead. I think you will find the over whelming majority are happy that they are alive regardless of the world they are born into.

Pro abortionists are selfish, self centred sad individuals. Its a human life and has the right to live, end of story. Some people try to argue even the rape line (which I can to some extenst sympathise with) that abortion is justified. Think about it this way-so you have just found out your life was created via a rape and now you are to be put to death, happy? Or would you rather live regardless?

 

[blogs]

what difference does it matter whether he is in or out of the womb when you kill him?

Very good point, out of sight out of mind. People always look for the easy option (not directed at anyone-just a general observation...)

 

[jono_oz]

I'm just curious, are you a man or a woman blogs?

 

[cuttlefish]

Pro abortionists are selfish, self centred sad individuals.

I think by descending into generic personal attacks you've demonstrated your own character. Stick to debating the issue rather than making general attacks on the character of those that have a differing view to yours.

 

[blogs]

I'm just curious, are you a man or a woman blogs?

Why should that matter? Im debating wether a baby has the right to life, or whether its death is justified due to the possibility of simply 'inconveniencing' the parent/s.....

I used to be for abortions, when my Dad got my psycho step mother pregnant we all pleaded for him to get an abortion. That 'feutus' has now grown into my much loved baby sister and I shudder at the thought I even contempated the thought of having her terminated. See the simple fact is a feutus IS a life, and left alone it WILL be a person. That person has the right to live, full stop. No matter how sh!tty a life they might be coming into, Im sure they would prefer at least the chance at life, no matter how bad it may be.....

 

[Pat]

Pro abortionists are selfish, self centred sad individuals.

Thats a pretty harsh statement and generalized at that. I think you mean..."I think abortion is a selfish, self centered and sad act". Which is more than fine, but do what you with your life. A god given right so to speak. Remember freedom?

 

[refined silver]

=Pat;334370] I think you mean..."I think abortion is a selfish, self centered and sad act". Which is more than fine, but do what you with your life.

I agree Pat that's a much much better wording.

But to be fair, a careful reading of the blog will show that some on the other side of the argument are not adverse to heavy handed responses either, labelling anyone who disagrees with them as religious nutters, ïnsensitive, morally superior, judgemental, and so on.

 

[freddy2]

Its a human life and has the right to live, end of story.

Why? If this is in fact true why do we have self-defense laws, police carry guns or a need for armed forces? Obviously in some cases it is acceptable to take a life. Were we morally wrong to stop Japan invading Australia during WW2 by killing them?

 

[2020hindsight]

See, sam, we should have a third option mate

Only women should be allowed to vote (imo)

 

[white_goodman]

all i know is if my gf gets preggo she will be getting a smasmortion and the smasmortion clinic