Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Would have thought there would already a heap of papers on the subject given the vast numbers of marine biologists.

Nice to hear some good news for a change I stopped reading a lot research the outlook is not great.

It depends whether you are reading ideology or actual science

 

[Sean K]

Would have thought there would already a heap of papers on the subject given the vast numbers of marine biologists.

Nice to hear some good news for a change I stopped reading a lot research the outlook is not great.

If you're a marine biologist at James Cook Uni and you question the science, you get sacked.

 

[mullokintyre]

 

[IFocus]

If you're a marine biologist at James Cook Uni and you question the science, you get sacked.

Getting to run research is all about funding, I know in the medical field only about 10% of proposals receive funding, pretty sure that's all private and government.

The balance maybe changing but its been long the case fossil fuel companies by far have more resources to run their defenses against any thing that threatens their interests so funding anything that questions CC is relatively easy problem is of course is the data.

 

[moXJO]

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That's just hell freezing over.

 

[Sean K]

I obviously only dove/dived on the good reefs last week and not the ones the Guardian dive on.

I didn't see a bleached coral in the slightest.

One Tree Island is at the southern end of the reef, the cold end, so maybe rapid warming is an issue and the coral can't adapt quickly enough. No problems in the warmer end though.

Or, could the Uni of Sydney, who the run the island research facility, be getting sponsored only if they find some bleaching?

Research at the station focuses on climate change and bleaching, eutrophication of reef systems, carbonate chemistry, geology, sedimentation, bird ecology, sustainability and the ecology of reef organisms.

One Tree Island

The world’s only research station licensed to facilitate teaching and research on the World Heritage-listed Great Barrier Reef.

www.sydney.edu.au

 

[Sean K]

This is only just the start for Australia.

We have rushed into Green-Marxist RE zealotry with abandon the last two decades - fooled by Global Boiling activists.

Both sides of politics have failed to see that the first priority for Australia is energy security, and not global warming virtue signalling.

Our heavy industries are going to be crushed unless there's a rapid change.

That change will probably only come about when the general population feel the impact of zero electricity.

I'm going to invest in diesel generators.

 

[wayneL]

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This is only just the start for Australia.

We have rushed into Green-Marxist RE zealotry with abandon the last two decades - fooled by Global Boiling activists.

Both sides of politics have failed to see that the first priority for Australia is energy security, and not global warming virtue signalling.

Our heavy industries are going to be crushed unless there's a rapid change.

That change will probably only come about when the general population feel the impact of zero electricity.

I'm going to invest in diesel generators.

Totally agree... But didn't realise we had any heavy industries left?

I've got batteries, but coming to doubt their total reliability and access to service if they go down. I'm thinking a diesel generator as a bit of insurance.

Failing that, I've got about 5 years worth of firewood. At least we'll be able to boil a billy and cook some roadkill and damper

 

[mullokintyre]

As everyone else wrings their hands over the climate change that is obviously entirely due to the CO2 emissions of Australia, I note two interesting developments.
1.According to Energy and Clean Air China has approved huge chunks of coal fired power generation, even as the solar and wind utilisation dropped.

2. Most countries and the Eu itself will miss the deadline to set new climate targets according to Reuters

And of course, even if they did put in a target, virtually no country is on track to meet their last set of climate goals, at least according to Climate Tracker

Mick

 

[Knobby22]

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As everyone else wrings their hands over the climate change that is obviously entirely due to the CO2 emissions of Australia, I note two interesting developments.
1.According to Energy and Clean Air China has approved huge chunks of coal fired power generation, even as the solar and wind utilisation dropped.

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2. Most countries and the Eu itself will miss the deadline to set new climate targets according to Reuters
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And of course, even if they did put in a target, virtually no country is on track to meet their last set of climate goals, at least according to Climate Tracker
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Mick

Bring on 2 degrees warming in the near term.
Let's face it 3 degrees is inevitable. Look at how the freezing of the arctic isn't going too well this year.
How long before the ice cap on Greenland melts and humanity can access those delicious mining resources.

 

[mullokintyre]

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Bring on 2 degrees warming in the near term.
Let's face it 3 degrees is inevitable. Look at how the freezing of the arctic isn't going too well this year.
How long before the ice cap on Greenland melts and humanity can access those delicious mining resources.

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Ask the Chinese, the Indians, The Americans and the Europeans.
They are the ones causing it all!
Mick

 

[Knobby22]

Ask the Chinese, the Indians, The Americans and the Europeans.
They are the ones causing it all!
Mick

In other words pretty much everyone!

 

[basilio]

b

Bring on 2 degrees warming in the near term.
Let's face it 3 degrees is inevitable. Look at how the freezing of the arctic isn't going too well this year.
How long before the ice cap on Greenland melts and humanity can access those delicious mining resources.

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Yeah. Those last 3 years of arctic ice formation are unnerving.
I wonder when the other shoe will drop and rising sea levels across the world continue to recreate our civilizations ?

Florida should be one of the first to go from wet feet to soggy buildings.

Check this out. I suspect with the new Trumpian directives it may not be allowed to stay online for long.

Sea levels are rising faster. Here’s what South Florida can expect

In the last 80 years, sea level rise has risen about a foot. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, that pace is expected to speed up.

www.wusf.org

 

[mullokintyre]

Yeah. Those last 3 years of arctic ice formation are unnerving.
I wonder when the other shoe will drop and rising sea levels across the world continue to recreate our civilizations ?

Florida should be one of the first to go from wet feet to soggy buildings.

Check this out. I suspect with the new Trumpian directives it may not be allowed to stay online for long.

Sea levels are rising faster. Here’s what South Florida can expect

In the last 80 years, sea level rise has risen about a foot. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, that pace is expected to speed up.

www.wusf.org

You need to brush up on your basic science Bas.
Melting sea ice will not contribute to risng sea levels. The ice melts into water, but does not displace any water.
Also, florida sea level rises are more likely earth sinking from putting up all those high rise buildings on unstable land.
According to O thes US government web site
the average height of the ocean has risen 6-8 inches in the past 100 years.
The rest must obviously come from relative changes in the land mass.

Mick

 

[Sean K]

I know that the progressives and lefties here think we're all about to die because of CO2 emissions.

The last scare campaign from The Guardian was a report that the reef around Ningaloo was going through a bleaching event. I noticed it because I follow Pocock on Twit/X. I asked him if he had actually visited the site to confirm that there was any bleaching. No reply.

After my most recent visit to the GBR (4 weeks ago) where the reef is in the best condition I have ever seen, I want some first hand answers.

If anyone has a problem with CO2 emissions, target your energy in the right place.

Latest update on CO2:

 

[IFocus]

I know that the progressives and lefties here think we're all about to die because of CO2 emissions.

The last scare campaign from The Guardian was a report that the reef around Ningaloo was going through a bleaching event. I noticed it because I follow Pocock on Twit/X. I asked him if he had actually visited the site to confirm that there was any bleaching. No reply.

After my most recent visit to the GBR (4 weeks ago) where the reef is in the best condition I have ever seen, I want some first hand answers.

If anyone has a problem with CO2 emissions, target your energy in the right place.

Latest update on CO2:

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You can frame it any way you like or blame all and sundry for causing the problem. You can also claim co2 emissions are not responsible it’s just a natural cycle. We have achieved 1.5 degree C rise so as Knobbly points out 3 degrees is a given (thats not including overshoot) the earth will happily carry on with out us.

 

[sptrawler]

@Sean K in the words of loonie left, "don't care, I'm not listening, I'd rather live in a cave than have a logical discussion ".

 

[sptrawler]

You can frame it any way you like or blame all and sundry for causing the problem. You can also claim co2 emissions are not responsible it’s just a natural cycle. We have achieved 1.5 degree C rise so as Knobbly points out 3 degrees is a given (thats not including overshoot) the earth will happily carry on with out us.

Which will happen despite what Australia does, the issue that Australia has to address is do we take a logical intelligent approach, or do we continue down the tribal route, which in all probability will fail whichever way we go.

 

[basilio]

Which will happen despite what Australia does, the issue that Australia has to address is do we take a logical intelligent approach, or do we continue down the tribal route, which in all probability will fail whichever way we go.

"A logical intelligent approach" ? And that is what SP ?

 

[sptrawler]

"A logical intelligent approach" ? And that is what SP ?

Unlike most on here I don't know and don't profess to know, it would be a case of actually getting unaffiliated experts with open minds, from all sides and having a clear set of goals for them to aim for.

That would include all aspects of the economy and all sources of fossil fueled emissions, whereas at the moment 90% of the narrative revolves around coal, that is a very one dimensional view IMO.

I remember a long time back at the beginning of this debate actually saying to you Bas, the issue wont be shutting down coal, the way they are going about the transition. The issue will be trying to keep the coal generators online and that has now been shown to be correct hasn't it?

You were critical of my opinion then Bas and now not only is the Eastern States paying coal generators huge amounts of money to stay on, so is Western Australia.

It is all becoming another great idea with pizz poor planning and pizz poor implementation and I don't agree with with Dutton's idea either by the way.

Maximising renewables makes the most sense, however setting ridiculous timeframes and goals, that in all probability will cause huge social and economic disruption is counterproductive also.