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sptrawler said:
That's great for the Party room and the rank and file meetings, but in this day and age it doesn't work like that anymore, the majority tar all politicians with the same brush, they all commit the same transgressions regardless of party, that Thompson dude was back in court a couple of weeks ago.
So as Rumpy said a few weeks back, it is whoever is going to be able to sell the best story, 6 months ago I had concerns about Albo's delivery, but seeing him recently I think he'll be fine.
It's what the young ones think that matters IMO, the silent majority will have made their mind up, as have the older generation.
Yes I think it will be the 35 and under that will swing this one, :2twocents
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No doubt Albanese is a steady hand but in no way politically sexy for elections that matters, Morrison is a far better campaigner (read bulls!tter) and I get the feeling Australians aren't that interested, at this point I still think Morrison can go around again.

I am really concerned at the secrecy around the federal government (cannot discuss "on water operation") and the sheer arrogance of the spending rorts (including to mates) not to mention little or no accountability re ministers unless a threat to Morrison.

An ICAC is becoming essential still I don't think the punters care guess we will find out in May.
 
IFocus said:
No doubt Albanese is a steady hand but in no way politically sexy for elections that matters,
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And you think Morrison is 'sexy' ?

People have had a lot of time to measure Morrison up for the political cynic that he is and I don't think they like what they see.

Albo definitely needs to get out more and appeal to the ordinary workers not just the welfare lobby. If he can do that then I think he'll romp in. (need a 'fingers crossed' emoji).
 
Humid said:
As long as the free $hit goes to corporate types and not poor people....you can keep your separation
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In reality they bankrupt a lot of tradies last time around with the ber while enriching the big businesses. Same with insulation, solar etc.
Labor actually wants big business not the little guys and its all down to who you can unionise.

So don't believe only one side does it. I was on the ground when it was all going on.
 
IFocus said:
You currently have the PM attacking NSW ICAC and looking to install Gladys based on polling sums up just how morally bankrupt and corrupt Morrison is.
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This was all just a deflection. She was never going to federal. He said it to divert attention.
 
moXJO said:
Yeah I need an ev subsidy so Labor will get the preference if the others get eliminated.
Preparation for free sht in 3....2.....1
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I think that will have a lot more of a bearing on the outcome than people realise.
Scomo trying to walk the steady but safe and sure line isn't going to resonate well with today's people, they have saved a motza they've had a $hit time with covid, they will want incentives.
It is party poppers and lollipops time, that's going to win the the day, stuff the expense.
I think it will be a landslide.
 
moXJO said:
In reality they bankrupt a lot of tradies last time around with the ber while enriching the big businesses. Same with insulation, solar etc.
Labor actually wants big business not the little guys and its all down to who you can unionise.

So don't believe only one side does it. I was on the ground when it was all going on.
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I'm not saying it didn't happen, but could you give some examples of how small trades got done over by the BER ?
 
SirRumpole said:
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but could you give some examples of how small trades got done over by the BER ?
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For BER you would have a big big builder that was overseeing the subcontractors, government payouts.
Now there were multiple issues:

Deadlines
So you had impossible deadlines. I would turn up to a job and there would be no scaffolding. I'd yell at the site manager as this was now cutting into my time and there's no extension. Thing is the scaffolding are having problems as well as they haven't been paid for the last three jobs they had done as the agency overseeing it all is fking around. So if the whole job is running behind and you couldn't do your job because others were behind. You would get hit with penalties. And a lot of the time it wasn't the other guys fault for being late. But due to weather or material/site safety.

Can't provide a proper quote to actual works. You would quote off the plan for a job. When you turn up the whole things changed often costing thousands more and you are already locked in.

You also wouldn't see money for months. So if you had a large crew, you had to wear the costs for months. Government was slow on payments to the point that guys went broke.

There was plenty more buy memory fades.
They used my work as a centrepiece of the BER we had the least faults out of everyone really minor stuff. A politician went on TV out the front of it talking up the BER. I've been round the block a few times and remembered thinking 'if it was this much of a sht fight for someone like me I'd hate to see how the other tradies are fairing'.

Turns out they went through worse and went broke. I was smart enough to do a couple and then tell them to "fk off". Mismanaged mess on a grand scale. Which brings me to the:

Insulation debacle

So I watched this with some amusement. It was rushed out and looked like a complete mess. This was the major problem with Rudd's roll-outs they were so rushed that there was zero thought to what could go wrong. I understand at the time the gfc just rolled through. But industry was already busy and wasn't slowing down.

You could buy these machines that spat insulation into roofs. Just kick a tile and point the nozzle inside. Unfortunately you would damage the sarking on a lot of these roofs but cowboys don't care.

So the pay was something like $1200 to $2100 it lessened over time from the higher figure it may have been $1800 I can't remember now. But people would just spray this sht everywhere. Especially over the lights causing potential fire hazards. But I knew a bricklayer who started doing it made over $600000 in a matter of months. Bought a house with it. Groups of town houses were a gold mine.

Now everyone was loading up on insulation as there was a bit of a shortage. Guys start importing warehouses full of it from overseas. This was full steam ahead.
And then they cut the grant short without warning.

Now you have guys losing hundreds of thousands. The guys that were originally in the insulation installation industry are basically ruined as there were no jobs left to insulate due to this scheme. It was a complete balls up.

As for the guys getting killed, well the government was indeed warned at the time. A mate of mine who is on some 'electrician council' actually went to Canberra to outline the dangers or so I was told.

And the rorts, oh the rorts. Guys would just insulated round the manhole. Others would just get people to sign the paperwork saying it was completed and take off overseas with hundreds of thousands of $.

This scheme at least enriched the first lot of guys that were in. I wouldn't call it value for money though. The big industry overseeing it were the ones making the real money.

There was a lot more but that's over a decade now and details escape me.
 
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This liberal government popped our relationship with China and caused massive losses in the $billions just to brown nose the Yanks. The Yanks ain't going to help us with trade. In fact they rushed in and shafted us by filling the gap.

I'd question if they would actually defend us. They wouldn't have entered ww2 if not for pearl harbour. And that was all due to opinion polls even back then. At least Churchill did it based on right vs wrong.
 
Absolutely spot on @moXJO , there was a certain Labor politician, who was on the board of one of the companies that got caught with enough insulation to cover the SW. I nearly wet myself ?

As with a lot of things Labor do, it is a good fundamental initiative, but pizz poor implementation and it happens over and over again.
But having said that they do push the boundaries and that is what really needs to happen in Australia ATM and I, as you would like to change my car.:xyxthumbs
 
moXJO said:
For BER you would have a big big builder that was overseeing the subcontractors, government payouts.
Now there were multiple issues:

Deadlines
So you had impossible deadlines. I would turn up to a job and there would be no scaffolding. I'd yell at the site manager as this was now cutting into my time and there's no extension. Thing is the scaffolding are having problems as well as they haven't been paid for the last three jobs they had done as the agency overseeing it all is fking around. So if the whole job is running behind and you couldn't do your job because others were behind. You would get hit with penalties. And a lot of the time it wasn't the other guys fault for being late. But due to weather or material/site safety.

Can't provide a proper quote to actual works. You would quote off the plan for a job. When you turn up the whole things changed often costing thousands more and you are already locked in.

You also wouldn't see money for months. So if you had a large crew, you had to wear the costs for months. Government was slow on payments to the point that guys went broke.

There was plenty more buy memory fades.
They used my work as a centrepiece of the BER we had the least faults out of everyone really minor stuff. A politician went on TV out the front of it talking up the BER. I've been round the block a few times and remembered thinking 'if it was this much of a sht fight for someone like me I'd hate to see how the other tradies are fairing'.

Turns out they went through worse and went broke. I was smart enough to do a couple and then tell them to "fk off". Mismanaged mess on a grand scale. Which brings me to the:

Insulation debacle

So I watched this with some amusement. It was rushed out and looked like a complete mess. This was the major problem with Rudd's roll-outs they were so rushed that there was zero thought to what could go wrong. I understand at the time the gfc just rolled through. But industry was already busy and wasn't slowing down.

You could buy these machines that spat insulation into roofs. Just kick a tile and point the nozzle inside. Unfortunately you would damage the sarking on a lot of these roofs but cowboys don't care.

So the pay was something like $1200 to $2100 it lessened over time from the higher figure it may have been $1800 I can't remember now. But people would just spray this sht everywhere. Especially over the lights causing potential fire hazards. But I knew a bricklayer who started doing it made over $600000 in a matter of months. Bought a house with it. Groups of town houses were a gold mine.

Now everyone was loading up on insulation as there was a bit of a shortage. Guys start importing warehouses full of it from overseas. This was full steam ahead.
And then they cut the grant short without warning.

Now you have guys losing hundreds of thousands. The guys that were originally in the insulation installation industry are basically ruined as there were no jobs left to insulate due to this scheme. It was a complete balls up.

As for the guys getting killed, well the government was indeed warned at the time. A mate of mine who is on some 'electrician council' actually went to Canberra to outline the dangers or so I was told.

And the rorts, oh the rorts. Guys would just insulated round the manhole. Others would just get people to sign the paperwork saying it was completed and take off overseas with hundreds of thousands of $.

This scheme at least enriched the first lot of guys that were in. I wouldn't call it value for money though. The big industry overseeing it were the ones making the real money.

There was a lot more but that's over a decade now and details escape me.
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So what you are saying is the builders sent the subbies to the wall.....got anything new to add
Been going on forever
 
sptrawler said:
Absolutely spot on @moXJO , there was a certain Labor politician, who was on the board of one of the companies that got caught with enough insulation to cover the SW. I nearly wet myself ?

As with a lot of things Labor do, it is a good fundamental initiative, but pizz poor implementation and it happens over and over again.
But having said that they do push the boundaries and that is what really needs to happen in Australia ATM and I, as you would like to change my car.:xyxthumbs
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The Libs have sorted that out .....they just give the money no initiative needed!
 
Humid said:
The Libs have sorted that out .....they just give the money no initiative needed!
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Yes well there is no pleasing some people. ?
You would probably have cheered them on, if everyone was just left to suck up the pain, you've already shown you don't give a rats about someone else's plight.:roflmao:
 
moXJO said:
Payments were from government.
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Waste of breath mate, Labor can do no wrong, that's why they are always in for long stints. ?

They will get in this time, because everyone thinks, they can't be worse than this mob, then after one or two terms they go OMG they can. :roflmao:
 
Humid said:
Bollocks
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They generally have conditions that safeguard subbies to a degree. It was a government job and a Labor federal scheme at that. Checks and balances were not in place because it was rushed.

But Labor was never about the "Workers" only public servants.
 
sptrawler said:
Waste of breath mate, Labor can do no wrong, that's why they are always in for long stints. ?

They will get in this time, because everyone thinks, they can't be worse than this mob, then after one or two terms they go OMG they can. :roflmao:
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Oh thats right you are one of Scummos quiet aussies
Tell me about his achievements in office.....kick it off with helicopters if you like
 

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