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Australian Federal Election - 2019

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SirRumpole said:
Nope.

6 years of failure and promise breaking can't be rewarded in my view.
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I tend to agree. The complete lurch to authoritarian policies and smashing of our rights did it for me. In saying that whoever I vote for will more than likely be a wasted vote or would form with libs anyhow.
 
moXJO said:
Is anyone here still undecided on who or what lines they will vote?
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Yep. For me it's a 50/50 choice of penalty rates versus franking credits.

I'm probably not going to be voting Liberal. The malcontents who dumped Turnbull didn't get their desired PM in the chair. They got ScoMo instead - when that happened they publicly stated they'll bring him down if he ran. All those people are still in their positions, in and out of parliament. So the sniping and back stabbing will continue. Australia deserves better.

I don't think Bill will be any good - he won't cope with a hostile senate. But I do think his job will be decided by the voters - not by some self appointed elitists sponsored by an utterly corrupt media company.
 
moXJO said:
Is anyone here still undecided on who or what lines they will vote?
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Yes.

I cannot vote for the Coalition, whilst they have that nasty 'conservative' streak. They do not stand for liberal values right now. After Abbott and Dutton are gone I could consider it.

I can't vote for Shorten's identity politics, Big Government ideology, and that 'top end of town' b/s he keeps promoting. I do respect how bold some of the policies are.

I don't know where that leaves me for this Saturday!
 
We all buy shares -and we like shares with some blue sky or future prospects-not the status quo.So it is for me with politics.
 
SirRumpole said:
Nope.

6 years of failure and promise breaking can't be rewarded in my view.
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Richard Di Natale was the stand-out performer on Monday's Q&A based on audience reaction.
Simon Birmingham was the most laughed at.
The Independent candidate for Indi - Dr Helen Haines - was great.
Our household has been polled 4 times in 3 weeks!
I suspect polls are likely to be skewed to older people as it's difficult to get younger people on land lines. I know polls try to get an appropriate age mix, but this isn't always achieved.
I have not put a bet on an outcome, but I will not be surprised to see what people are calling a close vote to become instead a landslide.
The one certainly this election which differentiates it from all others is a focus on climate change, and that's where the present government's response has been to bring a lump of coal to Parliament to show where it puts its money.
 
PZ99 said:
Yep. For me it's a 50/50 choice of penalty rates versus franking credits.

I'm probably not going to be voting Liberal. The malcontents who dumped Turnbull didn't get their desired PM in the chair. They got ScoMo instead - when that happened they publicly stated they'll bring him down if he ran. All those people are still in their positions, in and out of parliament. So the sniping and back stabbing will continue. Australia deserves better.

I don't think Bill will be any good - he won't cope with a hostile senate. But I do think his job will be decided by the voters - not by some self appointed elitists sponsored by an utterly corrupt media company.
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Very undecided. ScoMo tells us the PM cannot be kicked out of their position while in office. Not sure how that happens, but don't trust Abbot Dutton. Shorten is just another who got the job after white anting Gillard and Rudd. At least the party has held line with him in the lead. Not sure they have much else on offer. The second tier has been scarce in both parties. Only see the two leaders very little else during the campaign.
I don't feel confident we have a real leader either way. Not sure how well either will be accepted on the international scene, when that sorts itself out. No surprise I suppose when you look at govts in UK and US they are in much bigger mess.
I suppose I hope it will be the party that keeps us on track with due consideration to the masses. I feel what we risk is a little too right and a little too left in our choices.
 
I am undecided.

In the purely political sense, Labor deserves gumint more than the Coalition, but there are some insurmountable dealbreakers in their agenda for me. The coalition doesn't know what party its wants to be, so who even knows what their agenda is?

I live in a Labor held seat so probably won't even matter. Probably will give one or another of the scalliwags a tick.

Senate is a different story. My mind is made up there.

Post election I'll probably find some bush vantage point to witness the Trudeuification of a once great country.
 
Both Shorten and Morrison say they are in for three years.What if they resign for personal reasons?
 
wayneL said:
MSM isn't too interested, this has been up and going for 2 or 3 days already.
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Yeah, but as of now the media blackout for political advertising is in place :)

That opens the door for all forms of fake news from the fifth estate...
 
As usual there are many independents running for the Senate.

I just came across a new party which is a focused solely on Climate Change action. Interestingly it sets itself up as a group of associated independent candidates (??) who want to see full scale climate action. It looks like they want to bring CC action to the middle ground and attract people who don't want to vote Green because of other perceived policies.

They have candidates in Queensland, NSW and Victoria.

https://i-c-a-n.com.au/
 
wayneL said:
I'm pretty convinced that we're heading into recession Horace, no matter who wins the election
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Of all possible things someone could observe or measure in an attempt to predict a coming recession, well I can't see any that aren't pointing that way really.

Unemployment was the only "missing" one but that's now going in the expected direction so pretty much all the boxes are now ticked.

Who to blame?

Both sides of politics have sat by and watched the hollowing out of the Australian economy and the running up of massive debts over an extended period and I don't think there's overly much difference between them. Both have basically just stood there watching the place burn.

Politically, well if we are indeed heading into a recession then the future becomes interesting:

If Labor wins then the Liberals can say "told you so" and assuming they have a united front for the 2022 election will probably win it and they'll trot out "the recession" in 2025 as well.

If Liberal wins well there goes the Liberals "good economic management" claim - you won't hear that one again and it destroys the primary basis as to why someone who isn't rusted on to either side would vote Liberal. The party will have an awful lot of soul searching to do, coming up with a convincing reason why people ought to vote Liberal that isn't based around the economy.

Could get interesting.....
 
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