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Methodology

First steps
This is me thinking out loud – looking for comments, and to stimulate debate
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Seems to me the first step is to identify a “universe” or group of stocks that show promise of late - and that generally have good liquidity

Its not hard to do this really – just have a look at what other folks are recommending –
Then go look at the charts – be aware of what and who the company is - recent news etc – and good summaries of all this can be found easily at comsec.

Three companies that seem to fit into this for example are
AXA
CSR
CPA

ALL - might be good to short – givens its prob’s of late ( half joking on this )

Anyone got any other suggestions ?

The criteria – look promising ( whatever that means )
And have good liquidity in general, so you can always sell easily

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Then having identified a group of say 20 – 30 stocks to watch -
The next big step is a solid trading plan – not easy !

With signals for entry – and signals for exit – and a stop loss philosophy to implement

re managing exits – “tech a” notes that this is where the money is made, not on the 50/ 50 end of entry points –

To quote tech a -
“ I'm currently working on composite charting techniques all based around better exits ( thats where the money is - the exit end of the trade - most look at the other end - the 50/50 argument )

this is from the “beginner here” thread by sandra – and tech’s insight makes sense to me

as I said at the top – this is me thinking out loud in a sense, to clear my mind, invite comment, stimulate debate

thanks

blueskytrader@hotmail.com
 
blueskytrader said:
Methodology

First steps
This is me thinking out loud – looking for comments, and to stimulate debate
--------------------------------

Seems to me the first step is to identify a “universe” or group of stocks that show promise of late - and that generally have good liquidity

Its not hard to do this really – just have a look at what other folks are recommending –
Then go look at the charts – be aware of what and who the company is - recent news etc – and good summaries of all this can be found easily at comsec.

Three companies that seem to fit into this for example are
AXA
CSR
CPA

ALL - might be good to short – givens its prob’s of late ( half joking on this )

Anyone got any other suggestions ?

The criteria – look promising ( whatever that means )
And have good liquidity in general, so you can always sell easily

------------------------------------------------------

Then having identified a group of say 20 – 30 stocks to watch -
The next big step is a solid trading plan – not easy !

With signals for entry – and signals for exit – and a stop loss philosophy to implement

re managing exits – “tech a” notes that this is where the money is made, not on the 50/ 50 end of entry points –

To quote tech a -
“ I'm currently working on composite charting techniques all based around better exits ( thats where the money is - the exit end of the trade - most look at the other end - the 50/50 argument )

this is from the “beginner here” thread by sandra – and tech’s insight makes sense to me

as I said at the top – this is me thinking out loud in a sense, to clear my mind, invite comment, stimulate debate

thanks

blueskytrader@hotmail.com

Bugga I said I wasnt going to do this any more.

Seriously get Nick Radges book Adaptive Analysis.
No matter what your veiw keep an eye on Duc and my discussion I will be adding some points my "Mentor" has made and helped shaped my views.
Hopefully discussions and books like Nicks will have a positive influence on you and other traders.

I can see its already got you thinking---EXCELLENT.
 
thanks for the feedback Tech - much appreciate it

i will look for Nicks book - and yes i have been following yours and ducatis contributions to the threads of late, with great interest - folks who are confident of their method - ive put wayneL in there too!

seems to me, a thread where people discuss and compare their various enty signals, would be most helpful and interesting.

best
 
Hi and welcome blueskytrader :)

You've probably read around the traps that a sound and written trading plan greatly increases the probability of success and being profitable in the long run. I certainly agree with that view.

I certainly don't want to put you off but it's widely accepted that less than 10% of traders are profitable (at least to any significant extent) in the long run. The main reasons for this are lack of discipline when trading, letting emotions (fear and greed) drive buy/sell decisions etc etc and hence the need for a trading plan. A well thought out and extensive trading plan should help take most if not all of the emotion out of buy/sell decisions.

If you haven't already done so, maybe consider getting a copy of "Trading With A Plan" by Compton and Kendall. There are many other reputable authors who have also written on this subject but the above is one I have actually read and it takes you through step by step in how to write a trading plan - starting from writing down your objectives and then going through the various aspects of how you plan to achieve those objectives and what criteria and parameters (what markets/sectors/stocks you will trade, buy/sell conditions/criteria that have to be met before buying/selling, position sizing, risk management etc etc) you will use in your trading.

I believe the above book is a very good read for both traders and investors to help them put together a writen plan.

Good luck and hope this helps :)

bullmarket
 
blueskytrader said:
thanks for the feedback Tech - much appreciate it
seems to me, a thread where people discuss and compare their various enty signals, would be most helpful and interesting.
best

Good idea.

Although, there is sooooo much on entries that I like to see things that have no relation to entries at all such as ideas using the following in your trading:

1. advance-decline
2. index filters
3. equity curve
4. exits/entries based on 1. 2.& 3.
5. etc

SB
 
thanks for your comments bullmarket

ive been reading your posts on other threads with interest - and note that your goal is income, as mine will be when i leave work ( context of this is in my first thread - trading for income )

ive also noted that you consider yourself an investor - not a trader - does this mean you are a medium to long term player ?

have you ever had an interest in and tried options ? i guess not, as these are usually short to mid term vehicles
 
Re: entry signals survey

thanks for the feedback sir burr !

I like the tiger movie !

yes - the way i saw it - a throrough discussion / sharing / comparison - of the various entry points people favour, like, have found successful

and then the follow up to that, would be -
"managing exits" -
which is bound to inlcude the use of break even stops - trailing stops etc ..
 
Re: Ducati - trading plan link

thanks for the link to the trading plan article Ducati !

i had a quick look - just what the doctor ordered - im sure it will prove most useful to myself and other learners -
to read a summary of the priciples without having to read a whole book
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i aslo just noted on closer reading, that the author Tim Wilcox admits that he is not yet a consistently successful trader - his honesty is admirable

and it appears to be very clearly written and easy to follow
 
no problem blueskytrader :)

blueskytrader said:
thanks for your comments bullmarket

ive been reading your posts on other threads with interest - and note that your goal is income, as mine will be when i leave work ( context of this is in my first thread - trading for income )

ive also noted that you consider yourself an investor - not a trader - does this mean you are a medium to long term player ?

have you ever had an interest in and tried options ? i guess not, as these are usually short to mid term vehicles

Yes I am solely invested in LPT's and infrastructure/energy trusts atm, for the reasons I gave earlier, and so have a medium to long term view for my holdings. But around every June I consult with the household's CFO (mrs bullmarket :)) to agree on a broad strategy for at least the following 12 months. I'm not expecting our strategy to change much if at all come June this year.

re options: to be honest, I have never touched them. I understand the overall concept of options and how they can be used as 'insurance' but I have never had the inclination to get involved in trading them - especially at this stage of my life. Basically I see then as too high risk and I have no need to take unnecessary risks nowadays. But obviously they suit other peoples' objectives and risk profiles and so good luck to them, but they're not for me. :)

cheers

bullmarket :)
 
Hey, i'm a new investor and I am just starting out in shares.
Does anyone have any information or top picks for shares?

Thanks
 
larry123 said:
Hey, i'm a new investor and I am just starting out in shares.
Does anyone have any information or top picks for shares?

Thanks

What a stupid post. Really, do you think it is all about tips and recos and info?
 
larry123 said:
Hey, i'm a new investor and I am just starting out in shares.
Does anyone have any information or top picks for shares?

Thanks

THis thread opening is inviting rampers to do their thing.
Halba has already lead the way.
 
theasxgorilla said:
I have good information...beware of tipsters :)

Yep, i agree wholly.

Do your own research is the best advice i could give, even though im not licensed to give advice.
 
Pager said:
We all start somewhere snake, thought forums like this were to help and encourage any newbie, no matter how stupid you may think a question is :confused:

maybe you should take notice of threads you have started?

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5428

Thank you for displaying some thought. Perhaps you would like to contribute a bit more now you have progressed.

Ok point taken.

Do you have any tips for me?
 
Snake

The original post was very loose, maybe even intended as a wind up, seems to be a few around here intent on disruption at the moment, thought you of all people would have not started posting in a similar manner after your Wan#@rs and Dh#$ds thread.

I have not posted here a lot since becoming a member and mainly posted on the “Trading the Spi” thread that turned very childish, im more of a lurker know, my advise to any newbie would be to make use of the search feature of this and other similar forums on the areas that your interested in Options/futures/systems trading/fundamentals etc.

Cheers

Pager :)
 
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