Gay Marriage

Sean K · 15 June 2006

Now, just to change tac a little and open another can of worms not specifically related to Al Qaeda - gay marrage.

Bob Brown was in parliament today arguing that gay marriage should be accepted because it is natural and just and should be a legitimate way for two loving, caring people to express their desire to live together for the rest of their lives, under the full legal auspices of the Australian constitution.

Now, the religious and not so religious out there will have vastly different opinions on this and it will be interesting to see how each camp plants their feet. I have the feeling that those out there following the Good Book will say, Holy Sheet, that is just not playing darts! While the athiests and agnostics will be mixed.

Me, I used to be homophobic because it is part of my cultural background but now I am more open minded. I am now leaning towards ANY relationship that is a permanement recognition of someones union with another to be judged as a 'marriage'. After all, marriage was not an invention of the church but it was an invention of the culture of the day. It was just a way of regulating society and making sure everything was ordered in some way. (Actaully, I am more cynical about marriage - I think men have used this as a way of 'capturing' virgin women). Somewhere along the way though, the church highjacked it and made it religiously ritualistic.

I'm sure this is linked to Al Qaeda somehow.....

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bullmarket · 15 June 2006

Re: Al Qaeda

Hi kennas

I'm sure this is linked to Al Qaeda somehow.....

I don't see how - imo we're way :topic now

it's up to you, but imo your last post is a whole new thread.

cheers

bullmarket

Joe Blow · 15 June 2006

Re: Al Qaeda

kennas said:
Now, just to change tac a little and open another can of worms not specifically related to Al Qaeda - gay marrage.

I'm sure this is linked to Al Qaeda somehow.....

Well, only indirectly.

Sean K · 15 June 2006

Thanks Joe,

This is ALL intermingled isn't it? It's almost like you can't talk about one thing without it being related to another.

It's an absolutley fascinating aspect of human existance.

Religion.

Sean K · 15 June 2006

I wonder how long before this turns into a discussion on reincarnation?

Or, maybe let's stick to the topic for a moment.

Surely, as animals, requiring to survive, we MUST procreate? Therefore, through logic, homosexuality is wrong.

Wrong.

Because in the world today, we have enough humans to keep the world ticking over for years and years to come. Infact, there are too many of us. Therefore, we don't need to procreate as much, therefore homosexuality is normal. It's a natural response to the current place we finds ourselves in.

Some may say homosexuality has been around for thousands of years. Yes, that was just the start of the recognition that we were overpopulating the globe.

Soon we will be totally androgenous.

mista200 · 15 June 2006

Why on earth would we grant marriage to two people of the same sex? The gay lobby is trying to hijack the word "marriage", marriage is between a man and a woman.

However a gay civil union is fine with me as no one should be discriminated against on any basis... A civil union will give them all the rights a straight couple would have without them having to hijack the word marriage!

Sean K · 15 June 2006

Mista, I agree. Let's just change the word. I think that has been proposed however, and all the rights that 'married' couples have are not given to homosexuals. Happy to know if I'm wrong there.

I think where my argument will become snagged is gay couples who want to have children. Why would two people who though evolution have ended up gay, want to have kids? Other social pressures I think. Like defining your life through your offspring and, well, boredom. Not finding meaning in your own life...

Sorry, I have to run to The Black Cat for a wine or two. Back later.....

krisbarry · 15 June 2006

Well I say, good on them, if two people love each other that much, who is to stop them.

I was raised in a hetrosexual family, where the father beat his wife and his children (including myself).

Now looking back at it, maybe I would have been better off being raised by a lesbian or gay couple.

I know plenty of gay and lesbian couples who would love to get married and raise a family.

Surely anything has to be better than the childhood I endured under a hetrosexual marriage

Bobby · 15 June 2006

mista200 said:
Why on earth would we grant marriage to two people of the same sex? The gay lobby is trying to hijack the word "marriage", marriage is between a man and a woman.

However a gay civil union is fine with me as no one should be discriminated against on any basis... A civil union will give them all the rights a straight couple would have without them having to hijack the word marriage!

Well said mista,

What I don't like is the word Gay this was a nice name or feeling once, Lets use the term Homosexual !

Bob.

krisbarry · 15 June 2006

I think before passing judgement on the homosexual community we must look at the hetrosexual community and take note of the high divorce rate, the single parent families, the damaged children and the cost to the taxpayer of this result.

...Now can homosexuals do it better, I don't know, but maybe we should give them the right to choose.

To choose to get married, raise children, have equality in the legal system and to be recognised within the Australian community as a family unit. :2twocents

Smurf1976 · 15 June 2006

Leaving my own relationship out of the equation to avoid obvious bias, I know of only two "marriages" that I would describe as absolutely rock solid. One is a defacto heterosexual relationship whilst the other is a homosexual couple (female).

Though it has no legal standing, the two women are "married" in so far as the superficial things are concerned - rings on fingers, one has (legally) adopted the other's surname etc. I really can't see what is wrong with people such as this being able to be legally married (or married by some other name) if they want to. Amongst other things, it makes it a lot simpler in the event of serious illness requiring the other to make medical decisions, death etc. At worst they end up like so many heterosexual couples and head off to the divorce courts.

So I really can't see a downside to gay "marriage" beyond that which exists with heterosexual marriages. At worst, nobody is forcing you or I to be gay or get married. Live and let live IMO - life is short enough without spreading hatred and discrimination.

That said, I'm not overly keen on the whole concept of marriage myself simply because it is now, in practice, little more than a formality. Divorce is so common... :2twocents

markrmau · 15 June 2006

Your joking aren't you? It's 2006 and you people think it's ok to blow people up with missiles, shoot people and have a defacto slavery system where a portion of the world is kept in abject poverty.....

But if 2 people love each other and want to have a ceremonial and legally binding ceremony they can't....

I'll never understand you earthlings.

kgee · 15 June 2006

I just can't see what all the fuss is about...who are these people that get so upset about these things???...it really spins me out

crackaton · 15 June 2006

This would just be an excuse to gain tax advantages. I see no reason to have same sex marriages in this country. Also the situation will arise where lesbians will have kids homosexuals will adopts kids, etc. Essentially it will just farck up everything up, and result in a generation of missfits. That's my opinion anyway.
To me marriage means family kids etc. If anyone wants to have a relationship then that's fine, as long as they don't do it with a neighbours goat or something. ROFLMHO.

professor_frink · 15 June 2006

crackaton said:
This would just be an excuse to gain tax advantages. I see no reason to have same sex marriages in this country. Also the situation will arise where lesbians will have kids homosexuals will adopts kids, etc. Essentially it will just farck up everything up, and result in a generation of missfits. That's my opinion anyway.
To me marriage means family kids etc. If anyone wants to have a relationship then that's fine, as long as they don't do it with a neighbours goat or something. ROFLMHO.

goats hey? what kind of neighbourhood do you live in crackaton?

IMHO we already have a nation of youthful misfits! Having them raised by gay couples probably won't make it any worse, but what would I actually know? :silly:

Having seen some of the redneck trash straight couples in my local area that have 6 kids so they can collect more dole money to buy beer with, whilst the kids walk around in the front yard amongst wrecked cars looking like they haven't showered in weeks, I wonder if they would be better off living in a household where they are provided for properly with 2 loving parents, regardless of the fact that there may be 2 mums or dads.

crackaton · 15 June 2006

bbc news, front page

Sudan man forced to 'marry' goat
A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal.

The goat's owner, Mr Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders.

They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi.

"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said.

Mr Alifi, Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, told the Juba Post newspaper that he heard a loud noise around midnight on 13 February and immediately rushed outside to find Mr Tombe with his goat.

"When I asked him: 'What are you doing there?', he fell off the back of the goat, so I captured and tied him up".

Mr Alifi then called elders to decide how to deal with the case.

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife," Mr Alifi told the newspaper.

Prospector · 15 June 2006

crackaton said:
This would just be an excuse to gain tax advantages. I see no reason to have same sex marriages in this country. Also the situation will arise where lesbians will have kids homosexuals will adopts kids, etc. Essentially it will just farck up everything up, and result in a generation of missfits. That's my opinion anyway.
To me marriage means family kids etc. If anyone wants to have a relationship then that's fine, as long as they don't do it with a neighbours goat or something. ROFLMHO.

OK, lets just extend your meaning of marriage then. If a heterosexual couple marry knowing that they will not want to have children, are they truly married? Isnt that somewhat similar to the Catholic Church saying that couples should not use contraceptives because the sex act is all about procreation? Ringing any bells?

Give me a stable homosexual couple who truly commit to each other any day rather than a heterosexual couple whom are 'married' in the legal sense but not the moral sense - ie they behave in ways totally destructive to themselves and their children. The latter get all the 'tax havens' without deserving it, the gay couple get diddly squat.

visual · 15 June 2006

professor_frink said:
goats hey? what kind of neighbourhood do you live in crackaton?

IMHO we already have a nation of youthful misfits! Having them raised by gay couples probably won't make it any worse, but what would I actually know? :silly:

Having seen some of the redneck trash straight couples in my local area that have 6 kids so they can collect more dole money to buy beer with, whilst the kids walk around in the front yard amongst wrecked cars looking like they haven't showered in weeks, I wonder if they would be better off living in a household where they are provided for properly with 2 loving parents, regardless of the fact that there may be 2 mums or dads.

So professor,is this your learned opinion,that gay people would`nt be trash. Or on the dole.

crackaton · 15 June 2006

Prospector said:
OK, lets just extend your meaning of marriage then. If a heterosexual couple marry knowing that they will not want to have children, are they truly married? Isnt that somewhat similar to the Catholic Church saying that couples should not use contraceptives because the sex act is all about procreation? Ringing any bells?

Give me a stable homosexual couple who truly commit to each other any day rather than a heterosexual couple whom are 'married' in the legal sense but not the moral sense - ie they behave in ways totally destructive to themselves and their children. The latter get all the 'tax havens' without deserving it, the gay couple get diddly squat.

What possible advantage could a gay couple gain by being married ? What would they get that they do not already have? Please enlighten me.

professor_frink · 15 June 2006

crackaton said:
bbc news, front page

Sudan man forced to 'marry' goat
A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal.

The goat's owner, Mr Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders.

They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi.

"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said.

Mr Alifi, Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, told the Juba Post newspaper that he heard a loud noise around midnight on 13 February and immediately rushed outside to find Mr Tombe with his goat.

"When I asked him: 'What are you doing there?', he fell off the back of the goat, so I captured and tied him up".

Mr Alifi then called elders to decide how to deal with the case.

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife," Mr Alifi told the newspaper.

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