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Garpal Gumnut

Garpal Gumnut

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The treatment of Tony Abbott by the ALP recently indicates that there is a new effete paradigm operating in Australia.

If one makes a forceful point, and one is a man, one is a bully, or worse still a misogynist, a hater of women.

If a an ALP female does the same, she is a youtube, twittersphere and Balmain basketweaver heroine, and assertive.

While in the German nunnery this year I was surprised that the old image of Australia as a free country, with limitless potential, led by strong men and women was still alive, in conversations with others.

Perhaps there is still time to save the reality.

Many ordinary people still believe that Australia is a dynamic country, constantly evolving, and not the plaything of left social architects.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The treatment of Tony Abbott by the ALP recently indicates that there is a new effete paradigm operating in Australia.
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Or just the lamentations of people who profess to agree with concepts of what they think makes a strong man, including it should be noted that "Above all, men who have been in fights know that there is nothing good or noble about being a victim.", and then can't come up with anything better than "She made a forceful point that was more popular on youtube and twitter.... unfair!!!".

Strap on a pair of logical principles and learn how to make a cogent argument representing your opinion that can carry the day because all that you seem to have left is either trying to belittle others you disagree with or bemoaning how unfair it all is.
 
ASF word of the day.


ef·fete
/iˈfēt/
Adjective

1. (of a person) Affected, overrefined, and ineffectual: "effete trendies from art college".
2. No longer capable of effective action.

Dude makes a fair point GG, but thanks for the new word. I shall use it with aplomb.
 
Some Dude said:
Or just the lamentations of people who profess to agree with concepts of what they think makes a strong man, including it should be noted that "Above all, men who have been in fights know that there is nothing good or noble about being a victim.", and then can't come up with anything better than "She made a forceful point that was more popular on youtube and twitter.... unfair!!!".

Strap on a pair of logical principles and learn how to make a cogent argument representing your opinion that can carry the day because all that you seem to have left is either trying to belittle others you disagree with or bemoaning how unfair it all is.
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Dude, the problem is that "the forceful point" was predicated around the Straw Man they had constructed, not the actual Tony Abbott.

Hence the fawning adoration from leftists and feminists not objective in the slightest. Whilst it is proven that leftists are incapable of objective thought, they are rather talented at presenting the barely even subjective as objective truths, assisted by a mostly compliant media.

If you considered yourself any sort of logician at all, as you seem to :confused:, you would have conducted a deeper analysis, the inescapable conclusion of which is at odds with your premise.
 
It is not so long ago that a women was supposed to be "barfoot, pregnant and at the kitchen sink"

I am very pleased that this situation has changed today and though the feminist movement may seem to be the dominant force, this is still a long way from the case here in Auz. In most overseas Countries it is still an unspeakable situation.

Most of us fellows grew up as Son's to these girls who in a lot of cases "were to be seen but not heard". So we have been imprinted by the dominant male paradigm.

Well its about time we got over it. In South Africa women are learning to say no and new communities are growing under the female guidance to successful productivity, disease is being reduced and out of control birth-rates are dropping.

Good thread again gg.
 
"In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri."
Douglas Adams
 
wayneL said:
Dude, the problem is that "the forceful point" was predicated around the Straw Man they had constructed, not the actual Tony Abbott.

Hence the fawning adoration from leftists and feminists not objective in the slightest. Whilst it is proven that leftists are incapable of objective thought, they are rather talented at presenting the barely even subjective as objective truths, assisted by a mostly compliant media.

If you considered yourself any sort of logician at all, as you seem to , you would have conducted a deeper analysis, the inescapable conclusion of which is at odds with your premise.
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Quite the contrary. I believe that our natural state is irrational thought, even when we think to ourselves that it is otherwise so, and that we have to work very hard to produce rational and logical thinking. I have not found it effective simply assuming that my thoughts are the objective ones with an inescapable conclusion. Quite the opposite, I have found it effete to do so :)
 
robusta said:
"In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri."
Douglas Adams
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Good point, can remember well my Farther saying a number of times, "ah way back when men were men and women were glad of it"

My take was that they had to be but, were such exclamations perhaps a concern even then of women beginning to stand up for their rights.

From the monkey to civilised man is a hard road.
 
Thanks for the replies.

My main aim in starting the thread was to discuss the marginalisation of the majority of men by an academic left socially driven political class intent on change for changes sake.

In the process they villify men of good character for being men. XY Men.

I have no problems with our PM being married to a hairdresser, good on her, my barber is a Texas Holdem mate of mine who consistently wins.

I have no problems with a PR man for the Chief of Army coming out as a transexual/vite. ( I struggle with the difference )

I have no problems with members of parliament left or right being gay or having miraculous conceptions, some religions have been found on less.

I do object however to the villification of the majority of men, heterosexual, workers, prone to the normal behaviour of men, assertive and compassionate in turn, by an effete political class which passes for the ALP.

The ALP seem to have personified Tony Abbott as the epitome of this class - Men.

They forget that these men are married to women who won't swallow this finely strained Balmain bull**** champagne, which passes for writ.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I do object however to the villification of the majority of men, heterosexual, workers, prone to the normal behaviour of men, assertive and compassionate in turn, by an effete political class which passes for the ALP.
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Setting aside Tony Abbott for a moment, because I suspect that will be a topic too difficult to separate from the politics of the moment, what examples do you believe exemplify this vilification in general society?
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The treatment of Tony Abbott by the ALP recently indicates that there is a new effete paradigm operating in Australia.
If one makes a forceful point, and one is a man, one is a bully, or worse still a misogynist, a hater of women.
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What you have done GG is that you have just started another Tony Abbott thread.:bad: I have no sympathies for him. What he has to do to command some respect is to lose that silly swagger and develop some backbone.The greatest threat facing Australia is not the carbon tax, or illegal immigrants or mining taxes.

It is the escalating power of the unions gained through Gillard's iniquitous Fair Work Australia. The unions are intent on destroying Australia's competitive capacity in industry.

Abbott is constantly back-pedalling away from any confrontation with FWA. People like Combet have only to mention the dreaded words "Work Choices" and Abbott acts like a scared rabbit caught in the headlights.

He cannot go into the next election without a firm plan for Industrial Relations reform. Not to do so would be to betray our industrial base which is diminishing daily.
 
Calliope said:
What you have done GG is that you have just started another Tony Abbott thread.:bad: I have no sympathies for him. What he has to do to command some respect is to lose that silly swagger and develop some backbone.The greatest threat facing Australia is not the carbon tax, or illegal immigrants or mining taxes.

It is the escalating power of the unions gained through Gillard's iniquitous Fair Work Australia. The unions are intent on destroying Australia's competitive capacity in industry.

Abbott is constantly back-pedalling away from any confrontation with FWA. People like Combet have only to mention the dreaded words "Work Choices" and Abbott acts like a scared rabbit caught in the headlights.

He cannot go into the next election without a firm plan for Industrial Relations reform. Not to do so would be to betray our industrial base which is diminishing daily.
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OK. Tony Abbott's shameful treatment because he is a normal man, by Gillard's, back office manager, John McTernan, spurred me to start the thread, but I shall not mention it again.

Let's talk about the topic in general then,

Re: Australia - No Place For Real Men

Lest we slow the production of baskets in Balmain.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
OK. Tony Abbott's shameful treatment because he is a normal man, by Gillard's, back office manager, John McTernan, spurred me to start the thread, but I shall not mention it again.

Let's talk about the topic in general then,

Re: Australia - No Place For Real Men

Lest we slow the production of baskets in Balmain.

gg
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Ah...revenons a nos moutons

Yesterday I was soundly ticked off by the forum's alpha feminist for calling Hillary Clinton a "dog." I was just expressing surprise that she had been selected by the Gallup people as the world's most popular woman. I was told I was being gratuitously insulting. Maybe, but I still think she has a "head like a robber's dog.":D

I guess "big Brother" has now been replaced by "Big Sister."
 
Calliope said:
Ah...revenons a nos moutons

Yesterday I was soundly ticked off by the forum's alpha feminist for calling Hillary Clinton a "dog." I was just expressing surprise that she had been selected by the Gallup people as the world's most popular woman. I was told I was being gratuitously insulting. Maybe, but I still think she has a "head like a robber's dog.":D

I guess "big Brother" has now been replaced by "Big Sister."
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I agree it is difficult being a bloke these days, though I'm unaware of the context of your admonition by said alpha female.

Did you mean revenons a nos mots? or moutons.

Being ticked off by women is de rigeur for being a healthy male. The UK Anglican Bishops for example just get told they are glorious and turn to men.

It reminds me of a story I heard recently, about that subversive book which the present Mrs Gumnut, swears she has not read, but I am not so sure.

At some point in a guy's life . . . it comes down to this
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Four guys have been going to the same fishing trip for many years.
Two days before the group is to leave, Ron's wife puts her foot down and tells him he isn't going.
Ron's mates are very upset that he can't go, but what can they do.

Two days later the three mates get to the camping site only to find Ron sitting there with a tent set up, firewood gathered, and dinner cooking on the fire.
"**** Ron, how long you been here? How did you talk your missus into letting you go ?"

"Well, I've been here since last night. After dinner at home yesterday evening, I was sitting in my chair and my wife came up behind me and put her hands over my eyes and said, 'Guess who ?'"
I pulled her hands off, and she was wearing sexy brand new lingerie.
She said had been reading 'Fifty Shades of Grey' and she had a devilish look in her eyes!!!
She took my hand and led me to our bedroom. The room had candles and rose petals all over.
On the bed she had handcuffs, and ropes !
She told me to tie her up and cuff her to the bed, so I did.


And then she said, "Do whatever you want."




So . . . . here I am !
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gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
They forget that these men are married to women who won't swallow this finely strained Balmain bull**** champagne, which passes for writ.

gg
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A problem Tony has is his image "the typical Catholic husband with loyal (compliant looking) wife sitting alongside. This is the image that many in the community detest due to their own upbringing in the final stages of the VICTORIAN ERA and of course the stories coming out, of bad things happening within it back in those times is confirming long held misgivings.

John Howard did the Church thingo okay, but with Rudd it began to roll off the truck. Because Gillard gives it little truck there is a misconception in my view that it may work again

My Dad was a faithful and diligent Catholic. Only one of his eight children ever go near a Church, and that one had a breakdown when Dad died and has been institutionalised most of the time since.

But just my anecdotal.
 
explod said:
A problem Tony has is his image "the typical Catholic husband with loyal (compliant looking) wife sitting alongside. This is the image that many in the community detest due to their own upbringing in the final stages of the VICTORIAN ERA and of course the stories coming out, of bad things happening within it back in those times is confirming long held misgivings.

John Howard did the Church thingo okay, but with Rudd it began to roll off the truck. Because Gillard gives it little truck there is a misconception in my view that it may work again

My Dad was a faithful and diligent Catholic. Only one of his eight children ever go near a Church, and that one had a breakdown when Dad died and has been institutionalised most of the time since.

But just my anecdotal.
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Fair and good comment explod.

I could not muster a valid argument against it.

Paul Keating though was of a similar ilk, and it will be interesting to see how many of Tony Abbott's descendants bow to the Pells of this world.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I do object however to the villification of the majority of men, heterosexual, workers, prone to the normal behaviour of men, assertive and compassionate in turn, by an effete political class which passes for the ALP.
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Some Dude said:
Setting aside Tony Abbott for a moment, because I suspect that will be a topic too difficult to separate from the politics of the moment, what examples do you believe exemplify this vilification in general society?
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I'm also interested to hear from anyone else with the courage to come forward and tell us about how men are vilified in general society.
 
Some Dude said:
I'm also interested to hear from anyone else with the courage to come forward and tell us about how men are vilified in general society.
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From today's Australian.

It is pervasive.

Bullying is the new criticism of poor performance.

And men are the victims.

If Abbott makes a strongly worded speech, shooting down his enemies, it's bullying, apparently, akin to what he allegedly did at uni.

In Britain in 2010, then PM Gordon Brown became embroiled in something called "Bullygate" after it was revealed he frequently "clenched his fists" in the presence of his staff and "swore at senior advisers".

Unbelievably, some of Downing Street's staff phoned the National Bullying Helpline to complain about Brown. Did they think working at the heated heart of the British establishment, where key decisions are made, would be a cosy, stress-free experience with no swearing? If so - and I'm sorry if this is bullying - they are idiots.

The ideas of "workplace bullying" and "university bullying" are common currency today.

According to one British official report, workplace bullying can include everything from "arguments and rudeness" to "ignoring people, unacceptable criticisms, and overloading people with work".

In short, work itself - with all its tussles and pressure - is a kind of bullying. Which makes you wonder why we don't all just stay in bed instead, or perhaps literally go back to the playground, where we might be afforded some protection against life's stresses and debates by a caring teacher.

We are all worse off as a result of this bullymania. The bullying obsession is especially bad for politics, since it both helps to insulate already aloof politicians like Gillard from public ridicule while chastising other, more outspoken politicians for daring to appear strong-willed.

It threatens to make politics more dull, and to drain the zest and drive from media debate and from everyday life by branding all those who forcefully speak their minds as bullies.

In 2013, make it your resolution to never, no matter how beleaguered you feel, say, "I'm being bullied!" Those words should never cross the lips of anyone over the age of 10.
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gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Bullying is the new criticism of poor performance.
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It's not that new. Unions have a long history of having to fight through accusations of bullying regardless of whether it was true or not. Just as police have with corruption, politicians and lying, welfare recipients and manipulation, banks and greed, etc. Stereotypes, it's a game the whole family can play that is certainly not limited to men or women, nor is it anything new or the privy of one ideology or politics.

I hope you and Tony find the strength and courage to overcome your struggle to retain your sense of being a real man in this country.
 
Calliope said:
Ah...revenons a nos moutons

Yesterday I was soundly ticked off by the forum's alpha feminist for calling Hillary Clinton a "dog." I was just expressing surprise that she had been selected by the Gallup people as the world's most popular woman. I was told I was being gratuitously insulting. Maybe, but I still think she has a "head like a robber's dog.":D

I guess "big Brother" has now been replaced by "Big Sister."
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I like Hillary Clinton, there's something noble about her.

BTW the correct term is "head like a robbers bulldog"
 
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