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Bernard Madoff - $50 Billion Scam

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$50 Billion... yes with a B.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/The-Worlds-Biggest-Ever-portfolioblog-13817029.html

The World's Biggest Ever Heist

I still can't quite get my head around the enormity of the numbers in the Madoff case. For one thing,

Madoff's investment advisory business served between 11 and 25 clients and had a total of about $17.1 billion in assets under management.

Now that's what I call high net worth individuals! And then you read the indictment, and you think you know what to expect, until:

On Dec. 10, 2008, Madoff informed the Senior Employees, in substance, that his investment advisory business was a fraud. Madoff stated that he was "finished," that he had "absolutely nothing," that "it's all just one big lie," and that it was "basically, a giant Ponzi scheme. Madoff stated that the business was insolvent, and that it had been for years. Madoff also stated that he estimated the losses from this fraud to be at least approximately $50 billion.

Yep, $50 billion. In other words, that $17.1 billion is only the beginning: presumably Madoff's clients had invested much more than that, and Madoff was sending statements to them, on the one hand, while reporting different numbers to the SEC, on the other -- none of which were true.

If the total losses are really $50 billion, that means that the average loss to Madoff's clients is a minimum of $2 billion, and perhaps as much as $4.5 billion. After all, in a Ponzi scheme, everybody comes out fine, except the last people out: the 11 to 25 clients still with Madoff to this day.

The one thing this does do is get me a little bit more comfortable with Jeffrey Epstein's business plan of managing billionaires' money. Clearly there are actually quite a lot of people with a few billion dollars to invest and who feel perfectly comfortable entrusting it to individuals like Madoff and Epstein. Who knew?

Right now, there are a handful people whose world has suddenly been turned upside-down: who have, overnight, suddenly lost billions of dollars of dynastic wealth to a Wall Street con man. I'm sure that their names will appear sooner or later. But there really is no precedent that I can think of: when has one man ever managed to steal $50 billion dollars? If the $100 million Harry Winston heist in Paris was the "steal of the century", what's this?.
 
So basically, the aeroplane game works just as well with 10 figure sums as it does with $50 notes.

I'm going to remember that for the next boom. :D
 
Phew! Of course, this is the only Mega Ponzi scheme that will be "outed" by the current World Financial Crisis. We can breathe easy now.

Oh, I see. So, there might be more crazy apes yet to be shaken out of the Funny Money Tree?

How many did you say??

THAT many??? :eek:

:)

Late Edit: Who cares? US markets skyrocket on news GWB will fork out whatever it takes to help auto industry. News of Ponzi Scheme lost in the KrazyCar Bullrush! Ponzi cost Billions? Trillions? Who gives a stuff! ;)
 
Who cares? US markets skyrocket on news GWB will fork out whatever it takes to help auto industry. News of Ponzi Scheme lost in the KrazyCar Bullrush! Ponzi cost Billions? Trillions? Who gives a stuff! ;)

They are just numbers now, arent they? Million, Billion, Trillion... just print more. Roll up roll up for the great inflation ride of 2010!!! Last seen in Germany 1923!

Brad
 
Thanks Wayne.

Inflation/ deflation - either way, we are screwed yes?

Can you spell out for us what deflation might mean for the average Aussie battler like myself? Declining house prices, negative equity, almost no access to credit, unemployment???

Brad
 
Here's a very credible view that says the opposite - DEFLATION - and very well explained.

http://londonbanker.blogspot.com/2008/12/deflation-has-become-inevitable.html

I think what Brad means is that the ShockMarket is becoming numbed to the scale of the debts.

It seems like only yesterday that share markets would dive at the mention of major companies posting *SHOCK-HORROR* $1Million losses. The markets plunge. After a coupla days the markets rebound. Anything less than $1Million losses after that and the media & markets barely blink.

Then we had major companies posting *SHOCK-HORROR* $10Million losses. The markets plunge. After a coupla days the markets rebound. Anything less than $10Million losses after that and the media & markets barely blink.

Then we had major companies posting *SHOCK-HORROR* $100Million losses. The markets plunge. After a coupla days the markets rebound. Anything less than $100Million losses after that and the media & markets barely blink.

Then we had major companies posting *SHOCK-HORROR* $1Billion losses. The markets plunge. After a coupla days the markets rebound. Anything less than $1Billion losses after that and the media & markets barely blink.

Then we had major companies posting *SHOCK-HORROR* $10Billion losses. The markets plunge. After a coupla days the markets rebound. Anything less than $10Billion losses after that and the media & markets barely blink.

Then we had major companies/governments posting *SHOCK-HORROR* $100Billion losses. The markets plunge. After a coupla days the markets rebound. Anything less than $100Billion losses after that and the media & markets barely blink.

Then we had major companies/governments posting *SHOCK-HORROR* $1Trillion losses. The markets plunge. After a coupla days the markets rebound. Anything less than $1Trillion losses after that and the media & markets barely blink.

Hmmm. I see a trend. :)

Next stop, $10Trillion will be the media & markets benchmark. Anything less and it will be SO boring & passe...

I can't wait to see a Quadrillion!!! Woohoo!

It's a bit like getting punch drunk. After a while, the pain is numbed and might even be enjoyable in a perverse way.

Merry Xmas :santa:

*hic!*
 
This is a big one. Makes you wonder how the high-net-worth individuals are feeling who until a few days ago thought they were still Masters of the Universe.

Also wonder how other high-net-worth people might be feeling about their investments. Could be some strategic re balancing of accounts in investment trusts etc. The facts are that with trillions of dollars lost in the past year there must be some serious pain that hasn't been brought to book.
 
Heres a site that details the clients and known associates of Madoff.

http://www.muckety.com/Bernard-L-Madoff-Investment-Securities/5020257.muckety

This is unprecendented. This guy was appointed to the board of the NASDAQ, huge bust!!! :)

Interesting stuff.

Just double click on any names within the map and you will find associated relationships name lists.

Dear GumbyLearner.

I did as you instructed but got a headache after 5 minutes. My screen was full of name tags and my computer bogged down.

Can you bail me out?

;)

aj
 
Colleagues of Mr. Madoff said he was fair to those he dealt with and generous to charities including the Special Olympics. Mr. Madoff treated employees well and loved to take friends and colleagues on his 55-foot fishing boat, called Bull, said Frank Christensen, a retired New York Stock Exchange broker. "I really think very highly of him," said Mr. Christensen. "People make mistakes."

:eek:


Put the criminal parasite in Prison for life @!
 
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